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Foxbear wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Remember how at the panel they said that one main character would die in Season 2?
What if it's an Autobot, killed by Orian Pax?

An Autobot......Or a human?

I don't think any Transformers series would ever get THIS dark mind you, but what if OP killed Jack? What would Arcee's reaction be to loosing another partner to the one mech in the universe she trusts above all others?

There's already been human casualties. Arcee unintentionally killed some MECH soldiers back in episode 9.

Sabrblade wrote:

Foxbear wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Remember how at the panel they said that one main character would die in Season 2?
What if it's an Autobot, killed by Orian Pax?

An Autobot......Or a human?

I don't think any Transformers series would ever get THIS dark mind you, but what if OP killed Jack? What would Arcee's reaction be to loosing another partner to the one mech in the universe she trusts above all others?

There's alreayd been human casualties. Arcee unintentionally killed some MECH soldiers back in episode 9.

You're right there, this series has been pretty heavy with the casualties, human and Cybertronian. But what I was specifically refering to was a situation where OP killed an inocent, not by accident either and one who the other characters and the audience had a substantial emotional investment in.

Foxbear wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Remember how at the panel they said that one main character would die in Season 2?
What if it's an Autobot, killed by Orian Pax?

An Autobot......Or a human?

I don't think any Transformers series would ever get THIS dark mind you, but what if OP killed Jack? What would Arcee's reaction be to loosing another partner to the one mech in the universe she trusts above all others?

I have serious doubts that they would have Orion Pax/Optimus kill any Autobot or human. They could probabaly get awau with something like that in the movies or comic, but not a Tv series. I agree with Fox Bear that that would be to dark.
on a side note, anyone else thing that maybe this might be an entrance for Nemis Prime?
Yes i understand its the mind of Orion Pax and not Optimus, but maybe working under Megatron for a certain amount of time shifts Optiums ways a bit?

Someone mentioned before that Orion looked at Bee as if he knew him. That may be because he might have some memory-scraps from his Prime-age. That he knows he's seen him, but doesn't know where.

As for the Orion Pax figure. It'll probably be just a repaint of optimus with no mouthplate and a Decepticon symbol.

The S2 Character Death? Well, why not Fowler? I know and I like the guy, but what if a 'Con would kill Fowler and seeing it Orion would remember who he was? Or maybe Silas, with a short run with his P:Chimera and would then be destroyed along the thing?
BTW, is it really supposed to be an Autobot? Could the walking body be a 'Con?

A question to you, now: What do you think, will Orion have memory-flashes of Optimus Prime during the season? That he starts seeing memories of things he did, experienced, said and saw as Optimus?

By the way, is it certain that Grimlock will be joining the cast or does everyone think it's him due to him appearing in Fall of Cybertron?

Red 50 wrote:By the way, is it certain that Grimlock will be joining the cast or does everyone think it's him due to him appearing in Fall of Cybertron?

I just assume he'll show up since all word from the creators on the Dinobots showing up in Prime has said that they are "on the radar".

Red 50 wrote:BTW, is it really supposed to be an Autobot? Could the walking body be a 'Con?

I've been thinking the same thing. Autobots have suffered enough in season 2, so to "balance" things it would make sense that it would be 'Cons turn now. But, they said "to except higher body count" (or something along that line), so I guess we'll see losses on both sides.

Red 50 wrote:A question to you, now: What do you think, will Orion have memory-flashes of Optimus Prime during the season? That he starts seeing memories of things he did, experienced, said and saw as Optimus?

I think that he possibly could have small flashbacks, maybe about right after he became Prime? Or Megatron is going to brainwash him well so he doesn't remember anything from his past life as a Prime. I'm interested to see if Orion is willing to fight against Autobots, if that will ever happen.

Zequem wrote:I've been thinking the same thing. Autobots have suffered enough in season 2, so to "balance" things it would make sense that it would be 'Cons turn now. But, they said "to except higher body count" (or something along that line), so I guess we'll see losses on both sides.

You mean season 1, right? Season 2 hasn't aired yet.

Though, these losses may be to side characters.

Sabrblade wrote:

Zequem wrote:I've been thinking the same thing. Autobots have suffered enough in season 2, so to "balance" things it would make sense that it would be 'Cons turn now. But, they said "to except higher body count" (or something along that line), so I guess we'll see losses on both sides.

You mean season 1, right? Season 2 hasn't aired yet.

Though, these losses may be to side characters.

Yes, season 1. Do'h, what was I thinking?

Zequem wrote:

Red 50 wrote:BTW, is it really supposed to be an Autobot? Could the walking body be a 'Con?

I've been thinking the same thing. Autobots have suffered enough in season 2, so to "balance" things it would make sense that it would be 'Cons turn now. But, they said "to except higher body count" (or something along that line), so I guess we'll see losses on both sides.

Red 50 wrote:A question to you, now: What do you think, will Orion have memory-flashes of Optimus Prime during the season? That he starts seeing memories of things he did, experienced, said and saw as Optimus?

I think that he possibly could have small flashbacks, maybe about right after he became Prime? Or Megatron is going to brainwash him well so he doesn't remember anything from his past life as a Prime. I'm interested to see if Orion is willing to fight against Autobots, if that will ever happen.

I see both sides having losses, but let's just hope that the Autobot's have less. As far as flashbacks, I hope he would have flash backs. If he doesn't then how will he ever remember who is who and re-join the Autobots?

RatchetXHide wrote:As far as flashbacks, I hope he would have flash backs. If he doesn't then how will he ever remember who is who and re-join the Autobots?

The Key to Vector Sigma. The story line will lead back to Cybertron where Jack [hopefully in some kind of 'master' armor] will use they key on Nemesis ala Rodimus using the Matrix on Unicron. That would be cool, if done right... But it would most likely come off as a Deus ex Machina if not built up properly.

Now, something that hasn't been mentioned yet. What if Nemesis swings way evil and offs Megatron to take lead of the Decepticons?

Serpent 0r wrote:

RatchetXHide wrote:As far as flashbacks, I hope he would have flash backs. If he doesn't then how will he ever remember who is who and re-join the Autobots?

The Key to Vector Sigma. The story line will lead back to Cybertron where Jack [hopefully in some kind of 'master' armor] will use they key on Nemesis ala Rodimus using the Matrix on Unicron. That would be cool, if done right... But it would most likely come off as a Deus ex Machina if not built up properly.

Now, something that hasn't been mentioned yet. What if Nemesis swings way evil and offs Megatron to take lead of the Decepticons?

So let's just say that Jack does use the key on Nemesis. How does that work and what will it do?

I just thought of something. What if we're looking at this all wrong? What if the Key does have some purpose, but is not the thing that restores Optimus' memories? The creators could have put it in there as a Red Herring for us to all speculate how it would bring Optimus back, when it instead is for some other purpose just to throw us off.

Sabrblade wrote:I just thought of something. What if we're looking at this all wrong? What if the Key does have some purpose, but is not the thing that restores Optimus' memories? The creators could have put it in there as a Red Herring for us to all speculate how it would bring Optimus back, when it instead is for some other purpose just to throw us off.

I'd say everything is possible. Maybe it will bring Optimus' memories back, maybe it will help Autobots back to Cybertron. Who knows? IMO, I don't think it will bring Optimus' memories back. Wouldn't that be kind of obvious? I mean, after what we have seen in season 1, there's been lots of stuff that no one excepted to happen. Now everyone excepts the Key to bring back Optimus' memories. The writers have this complicated way to do things in Prime, so for some reason, I'm not convinced that it will be the answer.

Ever think of the possibility that Optimus never gets his memories back?

Dead Metal wrote:Ever think of the possibility that Optimus never gets his memories back?

That could either be very dumb or very awesome, depending on how they pull it off.

An awesome way would be for him to come to find more favor with Autobots than the Decepticons all on his own. Something like how BW Silverbolt willingly chose to join the Maximals after preferring their good nature over the Predacons' jerkiness.

And afterward, Optimus/Orion would thus begin a long process of trying to grow back into the leader he once was, but instead becomes an ever better leader than before (one who can show EMOTION). It would be a great chance to develop him from a youthful, relatable character into the role model that we all know and love (a la Animated Optimus).

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Ever think of the possibility that Optimus never gets his memories back?

That could either be very dumb or very awesome, depending on how they pull it off.

An awesome way would be for him to come to find more favor with Autobots than the Decepticons all on his own. Something like how BW Silverbolt willingly chose to join the Maximals after preferring their good nature over the Predacons' jerkiness.

And afterward, Optimus/Orion would thus begin a long process of trying to grow back into the leader he once was, but instead becomes an ever better leader than before (one who can show EMOTION). It would be a great chance to develop him from a youthful, relatable character into the role model that we all know and love (a la Animated Optimus).

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In all the continuties the key to vector sigma was only that, a key to access another device. Never a repository of knowldge in of itself. Too much fuss was made over it for it not to be some major part of season 2. Perhaps it will play the role of proof. A scene where Jack confronts Orion about his aligence, and holds up the key "Look you entrusted me with this! Trust me now." type of thing.

Love this show. Ended unexpectedly, but was great. Can't wait to see Optimus aka Pax as a Con, this'll be interesting.

Sabrblade wrote:

Foxbear wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Remember how at the panel they said that one main character would die in Season 2?
What if it's an Autobot, killed by Orian Pax?

An Autobot......Or a human?

I don't think any Transformers series would ever get THIS dark mind you, but what if OP killed Jack? What would Arcee's reaction be to loosing another partner to the one mech in the universe she trusts above all others?

There's already been human casualties. Arcee unintentionally killed some MECH soldiers back in episode 9.

Not sure the deaths in "Convoy" (or the potential ones in "Operation: Breakdown" or "Crisscross") were "unintentional." MECH has proven that they are pretty nasty characters, and somehow, despite Optimus' declaration that he "doesn't condone human casualties," I think even he wouldn't lose many tears over taking out a few of their number.

Maybe the season 2 death is Airachnid killed by a loyal 'Con(or Meg himself) because of what happened during Meg's absence.

crazyjeffy wrote:Maybe the season 2 death is Airachnid killed by a loyal 'Con(or Meg himself) because of what happened during Meg's absence.

Starscream was far more insubordinate to Megatron than Airachnid was, yet Screamer wasn't killed. Why would Airachnid (who is a GREAT character, BTW) get offed for much milder offenses?

Sabrblade wrote:

crazyjeffy wrote:Maybe the season 2 death is Airachnid killed by a loyal 'Con(or Meg himself) because of what happened during Meg's absence.

Starscream was far more insubordinate to Megatron than Airachnid was, yet Screamer wasn't killed. Why would Airachnid (who is a GREAT character, BTW) get offed for much milder offenses?

As much as I wish for Airachnid to die, I don't think it will happen. I just hope that no matter what happens, it will still be okay for me to watch with an 8-year-old. She has come to love the show and even wants to be Arcee for Halloween. The moment that it gets to the point of her not being able to watch it will be a sad one.

Another thing, I would HATE for one of the main Autobots to die. That would be horrible.

RatchetXHide wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

crazyjeffy wrote:Maybe the season 2 death is Airachnid killed by a loyal 'Con(or Meg himself) because of what happened during Meg's absence.

Starscream was far more insubordinate to Megatron than Airachnid was, yet Screamer wasn't killed. Why would Airachnid (who is a GREAT character, BTW) get offed for much milder offenses?

As much as I wish for Airachnid to die, I don't think it will happen. I just hope that no matter what happens, it will still be okay for me to watch with an 8-year-old. She has come to love the show and even wants to be Arcee for Halloween. The moment that it gets to the point of her not being able to watch it will be a sad one.

Another thing, I would HATE for one of the main Autobots to die. That would be horrible.

Airachnid is one of the best characters in this show! (Along with Starscream and Arcee). Her debut episode was the turning point in this show's greatness. She practically saved the show from falling into utter dullness and unoriginality.

Sabrblade wrote:

RatchetXHide wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

crazyjeffy wrote:Maybe the season 2 death is Airachnid killed by a loyal 'Con(or Meg himself) because of what happened during Meg's absence.

Starscream was far more insubordinate to Megatron than Airachnid was, yet Screamer wasn't killed. Why would Airachnid (who is a GREAT character, BTW) get offed for much milder offenses?

As much as I wish for Airachnid to die, I don't think it will happen. I just hope that no matter what happens, it will still be okay for me to watch with an 8-year-old. She has come to love the show and even wants to be Arcee for Halloween. The moment that it gets to the point of her not being able to watch it will be a sad one.

Another thing, I would HATE for one of the main Autobots to die. That would be horrible.

Airachnid is one of the best characters in this show! (Along with Starscream and Arcee). Her debut episode was the turning point in this show's greatness. She practically saved the show from falling into utter dullness and unoriginality.

I agree, but at the same time, she got to be annoying. It is nice to have a femme Decepticon show up.

RatchetXHide wrote:I agree, but at the same time, she got to be annoying. It is nice to have a femme Decepticon show up.

How is she annoying? Her voice actress has made a fantastic performance of her character, and the writers have been using a great deal of subtlety to her character as of recently.

Sabrblade wrote:

RatchetXHide wrote:I agree, but at the same time, she got to be annoying. It is nice to have a femme Decepticon show up.

How is she annoying? Her voice actress has made a fantastic performance of her character, and the writers have been using a great deal of subtlety to her character as of recently.

I think what was so annoying was her voice at first and then it got where I didn't mind it so much.