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Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:38 pm

There are 2 concepts shown in this video of Transit. The flat, low-poly version is the one with the bug eye that the (iirc, Japanese?) bio card hinted. The more polished (with more polys & lighting FX applied) version is an unfamiliar design for me.... but it looks more boring/generic to me.

News Credits: 388 · Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:42 pm

Quantum Surge wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Optimus: "Where is it!?"

Me: "Where is what?"
It. He means it.

We'll likely hear in the full scene, but a synopsis of the scene had them fighting and Transit taunted Optimus by saying he'd destroyed "it", it being the ship Transit came to earth on. The Decepticons basically sent Transit to mock the fact that Optimus was stuck on Earth and couldn't get back to Cybertron to continue to fight the war.

News Credits: 462 · Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:09 pm

Bounti76 wrote:
Quantum Surge wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Optimus: "Where is it!?"

Me: "Where is what?"
It. He means it.

We'll likely hear in the full scene, but a synopsis of the scene had them fighting and Transit taunted Optimus by saying he'd destroyed "it", it being the ship Transit came to earth on. The Decepticons basically sent Transit to mock the fact that Optimus was stuck on Earth and couldn't get back to Cybertron to continue to fight the war.

Just imagine how wild it would be if Optimus was talking about the AllSpark. 8-}

News Credits: 4 · Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:11 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Bounti76 wrote:
Quantum Surge wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Optimus: "Where is it!?"

Me: "Where is what?"
It. He means it.

We'll likely hear in the full scene, but a synopsis of the scene had them fighting and Transit taunted Optimus by saying he'd destroyed "it", it being the ship Transit came to earth on. The Decepticons basically sent Transit to mock the fact that Optimus was stuck on Earth and couldn't get back to Cybertron to continue to fight the war.
Just imagine how wild it would be if Optimus was talking about the AllSpark.

Or a book not literally starring the lowest US coin filled with wisdom.

News Credits: 19 · Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:23 am

Seems like it was missing some dialogue after the "I'll destroy you* *then I'll go smell boys". Beast wars voice actors lucked out on not being given time of the day for this.

News Credits: 1646 · Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:29 pm

Having now seen the full deleted scene, the Transit fight would have been awesome, and the test audiences saying it was "too dark" is utterly ridiculous. Even with the Maximal opening, this could have been in the film.

News Credits: 101 · Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:55 pm

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Having now seen the full deleted scene, the Transit fight would have been awesome, and the test audiences saying it was "too dark" is utterly ridiculous. Even with the Maximal opening, this could have been in the film.

WHO are those "test audiences?"

Because way too often, they are so, SO wrong.

Like for example, they preferred the "Hollywood cliché" ending for I Am Legend rather than the real and thought provocative one.

Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:45 am

Ah man this is a real shame to have been left out.

Marks a very clear departure from Bayverse Prime as well (I know they're meant to be the same, but let's be real, the casual audience don't care about detailed continuity anymore); willingness to negotiate and peacefully resolve a conflict, and not in permanent godmode against anyone except the main antagonist.

Helps set a different tone for the movie compared all the predecessors (barring TF1 and Bumblebee).

News Credits: 19 · Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:48 pm

Watched it, sadly not in russian.

Felt like an average sequel to the Bee film and seperate to bayverse. Out of three movies with a history museum in it (ww84, eternals and this) maybe slightly below eternals but def better than ww84.

It doesnt really do the dirty on beast wars characters because they dont have any character, so yay for that?

more spoilery thoughts below.

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not much to grumble or swear at, the story doesnt really make sense but hey ho. Just transwarp to the past when Unicron finds you, rinse and repeat. Ignoring that, the Maximals thinking unicron is a myth but yet they know of Optimus for primal to name himself after him was probably another picky plot hole.

Kid needs medicine for bad hands after playing on a years old ancient game boy despite his bro knowing electronics and having street contacts seemed off.

Ron Perlman is surprisingly okay as Primal, h e might not sound like Primal but probably the best voice in it -his character isnt there (doesnt threaten his own team mates with beating thme with their severed limbs but hey, his team mates dont speak kinda so it would be pointless).

Very bot orientated but not that good a thing when they have very little characterisation and wheeljack was like...could they just have him not speaking too.

didnt find anything funny or comical. Freezers were a bit like dull versions of live action frenzy. Why they reuse scorponoks name again on things that arent scorponok is just becoming a hting.

nightbird just flying, because, why dont all the car bots do that...but probably less of a headache than trying to figure out tripple changing toys like they couldn't with Bees villains.

Choosing Apeling rather than using ANYTHING that doesnt look like Primal, BBoom, Lioconvoy, Owl Prowl, a floating Butt, anything might have been a better choice.

News Credits: 2 · Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:44 pm

blackeyedprime wrote:
Felt like an average sequel to the Bee film and seperate to bayverse. Out of three movies with a history museum in it (ww84, eternals and this) maybe slightly below eternals but def better than ww84.

Seriously, worse than Eternals? Respectfully, I wouldn't wipe my butt with the film Eternals was filmed on and found ROTB far more entertaining and coherent. WW84 was horrifically executed, but more entertaining than Eternals.

But again, just my opinion. I'd put ROTB above both of those three.

Wed Jul 12, 2023 10:11 pm

It wasn't too bad.

News Credits: 4880 · Sat Jul 15, 2023 11:14 pm

There was a glimmer of hope that the never ending talks about whether or not the Transformers live action film franchise was rebooting with these newer films would end once Rise of the Beasts came out. But it didn't because the film chose not to be too much of a change stylistically from the other live action Transformers films. Plot wise, connections to other films were kept vague and they even introduced a tool that any writer can use to bring whatever character they want into any point in time (the Transwarp key, which while now destroyed is still around in the past to be picked up and used at any point in time). Some fans have accepted that this wishy washiness and lack of commitment to a full on reboot of the franchise is all intentional on the part of Paramount, but others still want a clear answer.
Well, for those wanting a real answer, Steven Caple Jr has one: Continuity in this franchise DOES NOT MATTER. Even though this is all the same film series, the events will not match up, because each movie or series of movies focuses on their own thing. They should instead be treated as stand-alones. And not just the new films, but the previous Bay films too. Below is the transcript of that part of the interview, within the Empire Podcast Spoiler Special with Steven Caple Jr, where continuity is discussed.

Interviewer: In terms of the continuity of the franchise, are you worried about matching it up with the first Bay film, which suggests that Optimus has never been to earth before…
Caple Jr: … But now it’s kinda broken already. For me, I’m not like fully worried about it. There are things I would love to stay within that line, but at a certain point, we all know it, Bay has admitted it, I had certain conversations with him like, in terms of tracking the storyline by movie 3, 4 and 5 (5 specifically i would say), now it’s kinda like …
Interviewer: … they were freestyling it
Caple Jr: They were freestyling. Unicron is planet earth, it was things like that. Cool conceptually but that’s a lot to unravel and will we ever see Unicron? Cause now it’s Earth. Probably a reason why they stopped right there. So like, for me, I’m not worried about it, it’s about what’s best for the movie. For me, I have my classics. We got movie 1 with Sam witwicky, it’s a classic. Then we got 3, some of the best action I’ve seen in any movie, best Transformers battles, like it was really good. Those are the movies, they’re like stand-alones. For us, we just make sure about our story and if it tracks through each one [we make]. If we try to hold ourselves to what another storyline/ timeline was, we’d definitely be in trouble. Cause at a certain point, I don’t think anyone knew exactly where they were going with 4 and 5.

What you just read is the new official take on the matter of continuity: that it does not matter. You'll see that the word reboot is not uttered because that's not what anyone making these films want to convey either. This film, Bumblebee, AOE, TLK, and the initial trilogy are all their own stories within the same franchise, but with no need to connect perfectly to eachother. They are all constant (soft) reboots in their own way, if you want to see it that way, but also all (soft) reboots of Bayverse. So the Bayverse is far from dead, it is instead fragmented, and anything can happen from here on out. So have fun with that take.

Sun Jul 16, 2023 1:26 am

My interest in the movie franchise was never that high after watching the first live-action Transformers film in 2007 (sans the 2018 Bumblebee film), but this completely kills it for me.

Sun Jul 16, 2023 4:32 am

This is silly and why Transformers up untill now is still just silly action fun and a toy commercial.

I would love for a team to take Transformers seriously and of course for them to be competent (unlike the netflix show, my god the writing is some of the worst I've ever seen).

Transformers needs a reboot, and a different top management. The same buttfaces are still in charge of the movie franchise and as long as they are there, all Transformers movies will suffer.

News Credits: 11 · Sun Jul 16, 2023 5:05 am

"We're not concerned with continuity" is writer speak for "We're not competent enough to write a compelling serialized story, so we'll just make a bunch of unconnected stories about whatever we want."

News Credits: 101 · Sun Jul 16, 2023 5:23 am

Lore Keeper wrote:"We're not concerned with continuity" is writer speak for "We're not competent enough to write a compelling serialized story, so we'll just make a bunch of unconnected stories about whatever we want."

Exactly. The MCU was able to do it for over a decade, and it's still going. So why can't Transformers?

News Credits: 4880 · Sun Jul 16, 2023 6:10 am

-Kanrabat- wrote:
Lore Keeper wrote:"We're not concerned with continuity" is writer speak for "We're not competent enough to write a compelling serialized story, so we'll just make a bunch of unconnected stories about whatever we want."

Exactly. The MCU was able to do it for over a decade, and it's still going. So why can't Transformers?

Probably because they wrote themselves into a story they no longer want to follow

News Credits: 19 · Sun Jul 16, 2023 9:12 am

If it works for star wars the why not transforners... Oh wait.

News Credits: 7 · Sun Jul 16, 2023 9:44 am

There has been this back and foward with this subject. I'm not sure if I believe it 100%.

We will know for sure when they announce the next film.

News Credits: 1 · Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:43 pm

Yeah, this is why I have no sympathy for the writers on strike right now. Most of them are already criminally overpaid for churning out disjointed nonsense that an AI can do for little or nothing.

News Credits: 1 · Sun Jul 16, 2023 2:23 pm

I have no problem with this. Considering the mess the original series became near the end, the chance to overlook some of it is welcome.

News Credits: 4 · Sun Jul 16, 2023 2:40 pm

bluecatcinema wrote:I have no problem with this. Considering the mess the original series became near the end, the chance to overlook some of it is welcome.

I do have a problem with this considering the same mistakes that began to plague the original series will begin to fester in the new series. Playing loose and fast with continuity is why a good number of fans get disinterested with Ips like Star Wars, The MCU, The DCEU, and even as recent as Rise of the Beasts. And considering that ROTB isn't doing too well at the Box Office, this does not bode well for the future films. When you tell the audience that you don't care, they shouldn't be surprised when audiences show that they don't care.

News Credits: 1 · Sun Jul 16, 2023 2:42 pm

Slashercon wrote:
bluecatcinema wrote:I have no problem with this. Considering the mess the original series became near the end, the chance to overlook some of it is welcome.

I do have a problem with this considering the same mistakes that began to plague the original series will begin to fester in the new series. Playing loose and fast with continuity is why a good number of fans get disinterested with Ips like Star Wars, The MCU, The DCEU, and even as recent as Rise of the Beasts. And considering that ROTB isn't doing too well at the Box Office, this does not bode well for the future films. When you tell the audience that you don't care, they shouldn't be surprised when audiences show that they don't care.

The only continuity point that has been altered is the whole "Unicron is Earth" thing at the end of TLK. All things considered, not that big a loss...

News Credits: 30 · Sun Jul 16, 2023 2:44 pm

What's that? The Bayverse/Live movie people didn't care a fig about "continuity"?

News Credits: 1 · Sun Jul 16, 2023 2:45 pm

Slashercon wrote:
bluecatcinema wrote:I have no problem with this. Considering the mess the original series became near the end, the chance to overlook some of it is welcome.

I do have a problem with this considering the same mistakes that began to plague the original series will begin to fester in the new series. Playing loose and fast with continuity is why a good number of fans get disinterested with Ips like Star Wars, The MCU, The DCEU, and even as recent as Rise of the Beasts. And considering that ROTB isn't doing too well at the Box Office, this does not bode well for the future films. When you tell the audience that you don't care, they shouldn't be surprised when audiences show that they don't care.

Well said. Just because something original devolved into a mess is not justification to repeat the same nonsense. If you're using an IP to attract the built-in fanbase, but show that you don't give a damn about them or the story, you just ruin the IP.