The Energon Pub

Eh, so far I'm only going to get Strongarm, because I like collecting fembots. I'll wait to see what any of the Warrior class Decepticons look like, but so far this has been a big pass for me. Drift kind of looks interesting, but I'll only pick it up if they do it up in a Bludgeon deco.

The lack of decent articulation on these guys has me worried. I mean, the one-step things are bad enough, but Hasbro had better realize that kids want a toy that is fun to play with in both modes, not in between.

Lockdownhunter wrote:MEH!!!!!!Grimlock's mold looks nice but does not scream G1 grimlock.

It isn't G1 Grimlock and it was never supposed to look like G1 Grimlock. You already have the original G1 toy, the Energon mold, Classics Grimlock, TF:Animated Grimlock, Masterpiece Grimlock, and FOC Grimlock (especially the one that comes with Silver Knight Optimus), all of which are very GEEWUN. Can we just let Hasbro do something different for once, instead of just rehashing your warm and fuzzy 1984-1985 memories over and over ad infinitum?

Madeus Prime wrote:Eh, so far I'm only going to get Strongarm, because I like collecting fembots. I'll wait to see what any of the Warrior class Decepticons look like, but so far this has been a big pass for me. Drift kind of looks interesting, but I'll only pick it up if they do it up in a Bludgeon deco.

He's already orange. Paint some purple and green on him and you've got an excellent Bludgeon.

Metro Prime wrote:

Lockdownhunter wrote:MEH!!!!!!Grimlock's mold looks nice but does not scream G1 grimlock.

It isn't G1 Grimlock and it was never supposed to look like G1 Grimlock. You already have the original G1 toy, the Energon mold, Classics Grimlock, TF:Animated Grimlock, Masterpiece Grimlock, and FOC Grimlock (especially the one that comes with Silver Knight Optimus), all of which are very GEEWUN. Can we just let Hasbro do something different for once, instead of just rehashing your warm and fuzzy 1984-1985 memories over and over ad infinitum?

There's also these non-G1-looking Grimlocks:




They aren't even T-Rexes.

Not gonna post the RID 2001 Grimlock since it's already been posted and goes without saying.

@willam about g1 toy molds. They would have to re make a lot of the molds, a lot have broken (and probably chucked) over the years.

I for one like the new Grimlock design. It's different but it's cool.

The toys on the other hand are very disappointing. I kinda feel like they're treating kids like idiots, as if they're too stupid to handle more than 10 steps in a transformation or that much articulation. I mean sure, have simpler stuff available too, but don't deprive them of any level of complexity! My first ever Transformer was RID Side Burn, who I eventally learned to transform by heart. I mean sure, not every toy has to be ROTF Optimus Prime, but they don't have to starve children's brains!

What makes it worse is that even by autotransforming figures the one-step changers are just awful. Fused legs, single-axis arms and basically no poseability. Heck, I know they can do better- the Animated Activators were decent autotransforming toys with good poseability and that was 2008! Simplicity doesn't have to mean crudeness. Look at some of the molds from Energon, Cybertron and Animated- very simple transformations and pretty solid construction but a lot of poseability and a lot of fun to play with.

I think we need to start some kind of petition to Hasbro to recognize kids' rights to a stimulating toy.

Metro Prime wrote:

Madeus Prime wrote:Eh, so far I'm only going to get Strongarm, because I like collecting fembots. I'll wait to see what any of the Warrior class Decepticons look like, but so far this has been a big pass for me. Drift kind of looks interesting, but I'll only pick it up if they do it up in a Bludgeon deco.

He's already orange. Paint some purple and green on him and you've got an excellent Bludgeon.

Lets see now we have a white (generations), Red (shattered glass), blue (AOE), and orange (rid), soon I will have all the Drift Rangers.

LE0KING wrote:

Metro Prime wrote:

Madeus Prime wrote:Eh, so far I'm only going to get Strongarm, because I like collecting fembots. I'll wait to see what any of the Warrior class Decepticons look like, but so far this has been a big pass for me. Drift kind of looks interesting, but I'll only pick it up if they do it up in a Bludgeon deco.

He's already orange. Paint some purple and green on him and you've got an excellent Bludgeon.

Lets see now we have a white (generations), Red (shattered glass), blue (AOE), and orange (rid), soon I will have all the Drift Rangers.

Well, if you add in a black one to the four existing ones, you'd have Drift Fever J.

Well, the fact, is this would be the first G1 "LEGION" official Grimlock , thats why my interest, is one of my lines collection, and I really wish to replace WST grimlock with a new version for that scale.

Delta Magnus wrote:I for one like the new Grimlock design. It's different but it's cool.

The toys on the other hand are very disappointing. I kinda feel like they're treating kids like idiots, as if they're too stupid to handle more than 10 steps in a transformation or that much articulation. I mean sure, have simpler stuff available too, but don't deprive them of any level of complexity! My first ever Transformer was RID Side Burn, who I eventally learned to transform by heart. I mean sure, not every toy has to be ROTF Optimus Prime, but they don't have to starve children's brains!

What makes it worse is that even by autotransforming figures the one-step changers are just awful. Fused legs, single-axis arms and basically no poseability. Heck, I know they can do better- the Animated Activators were decent autotransforming toys with good poseability and that was 2008! Simplicity doesn't have to mean crudeness. Look at some of the molds from Energon, Cybertron and Animated- very simple transformations and pretty solid construction but a lot of poseability and a lot of fun to play with.

I think we need to start some kind of petition to Hasbro to recognize kids' rights to a stimulating toy.

Honestly the Warrior class toys to me aren't that much different from what Animated did in terms of toys. I mean yeah they're simple from what we've seen but for the most part they're spot on to how they look on the show especially Grimlock. Also just because a toy is simple to transform doesn't really mean they're bad or boring. Sometimes they can be interesting like how the Animated line did and besides having them be complecated isn't always the best direction with designs like this like Universe Ironhide and Ratchet proved as well as ROTF Blazemaster and Classics Galvatron proved long ago. If these toys are more on the lines of the upsclaed 2014 BH figures then I'd get what you're saying but I just don't see how the Warrior class toys are insulting kid's intelligence when they look to have a good balance between easy and challenging like the Animated line did and most modern toys like Generations Trailcutter.

As for the one step changers well we've had toys that weren't really any different in most of the past lines like in the first three movies and even lines like Animated and Prime and they're aimed for younger children.

kaijuguy19 wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:I for one like the new Grimlock design. It's different but it's cool.

The toys on the other hand are very disappointing. I kinda feel like they're treating kids like idiots, as if they're too stupid to handle more than 10 steps in a transformation or that much articulation. I mean sure, have simpler stuff available too, but don't deprive them of any level of complexity! My first ever Transformer was RID Side Burn, who I eventally learned to transform by heart. I mean sure, not every toy has to be ROTF Optimus Prime, but they don't have to starve children's brains!

What makes it worse is that even by autotransforming figures the one-step changers are just awful. Fused legs, single-axis arms and basically no poseability. Heck, I know they can do better- the Animated Activators were decent autotransforming toys with good poseability and that was 2008! Simplicity doesn't have to mean crudeness. Look at some of the molds from Energon, Cybertron and Animated- very simple transformations and pretty solid construction but a lot of poseability and a lot of fun to play with.

I think we need to start some kind of petition to Hasbro to recognize kids' rights to a stimulating toy.

Honestly the Warrior class toys to me aren't that much different from what Animated did in terms of toys. I mean yeah they're simple from what we've seen but for the most part they're spot on to how they look on the show especially Grimlock. Also just because a toy is simple to transform doesn't really mean they're bad or boring. Sometimes they can be interesting like how the Animated line did and besides having them be complecated isn't always the best direction with designs like this like Universe Ironhide and Ratchet proved as well as ROTF Blazemaster and Classics Galvatron proved long ago. If these toys are more on the lines of the upsclaed 2014 BH figures then I'd get what you're saying but I just don't see how the Warrior class toys are insulting kid's intelligence when they look to have a good balance between easy and challenging like the Animated line did and most modern toys like Generations Trailcutter.

As for the one step changers well we've had toys that weren't really any different in most of the past lines like in the first three movies and even lines like Animated and Prime and they're aimed for younger children.

Agreed. Since when does simple to transform = bad? If the overall toy look nice, is well articulated and is fun n' quick to transform, whay the hell are people complaining about? Sure, I love my complicated TFs. However, my most funs are quick and simple to transform.

kaijuguy19 wrote:
As for the one step changers well we've had toys that weren't really any different in most of the past lines like in the first three movies and even lines like Animated and Prime and they're aimed for younger children.

I am in full agreement with everything else you have said, but I also wanted to add here that the one step changers have been around since G1.



I didnt know this until a little while ago and now I don't know why people are making a fuss about there being one step changers. It looks like they have been part of the franchise since 1985.

I agree wholeheartedly with the comments about how the warrior class. I'm getting most of them if able. I don't have fun with fiddly and complex transformers, especially if arms come off during the transformation (looking at you Galvatron)

As for the jumpstarters don't forget the throttle bots and triggercons. They were all one step transformations.

In fact what about the basic class in beast wars? They all had easy transformations

Why are people saying that the Animated toys were simple? No, they were as advanced in engineering as any other 2007-2010 toys were, and were about as complex as the easiest-to-medium ROTF toys and the HFTD toys. They were not this simple (speaking of the Warrior class toys, that is).

Sabrblade wrote:Why are people saying that the Animated toys were simple? No, they were as advanced in engineering as any other 2007-2010 toys were, and were about as complex as the easiest-to-medium ROTF toys and the HFTD toys. They were not this simple (speaking of the Warrior class toys, that is).

I fully agree with you. And limbs and pieces came off them as well (especially deluxe Bumblebee and Lockdown). While Leader Megatron was simple for a Leader, Ultra Magnus was quite complex. Their Deluxe class is fully comparable to the deluxe class of any other line.

The animated line was a testament to great engineering and design, most of all because they were fun to play with (though there is some clunkers like voyager Megatron)

william-james88 wrote:I didnt know this until a little while ago and now I don't know why people are making a fuss about there being one step changers. It looks like they have been part of the franchise since 1985.

I think it helps that G1 made those there own characters instead of yet another version of the main cast.


Then again, if they ever do remake those two I hope the transformations are more involved than 1-step...

-Kanrabat- wrote:

kaijuguy19 wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:I for one like the new Grimlock design. It's different but it's cool.

The toys on the other hand are very disappointing. I kinda feel like they're treating kids like idiots, as if they're too stupid to handle more than 10 steps in a transformation or that much articulation. I mean sure, have simpler stuff available too, but don't deprive them of any level of complexity! My first ever Transformer was RID Side Burn, who I eventally learned to transform by heart. I mean sure, not every toy has to be ROTF Optimus Prime, but they don't have to starve children's brains!

What makes it worse is that even by autotransforming figures the one-step changers are just awful. Fused legs, single-axis arms and basically no poseability. Heck, I know they can do better- the Animated Activators were decent autotransforming toys with good poseability and that was 2008! Simplicity doesn't have to mean crudeness. Look at some of the molds from Energon, Cybertron and Animated- very simple transformations and pretty solid construction but a lot of poseability and a lot of fun to play with.

I think we need to start some kind of petition to Hasbro to recognize kids' rights to a stimulating toy.

Honestly the Warrior class toys to me aren't that much different from what Animated did in terms of toys. I mean yeah they're simple from what we've seen but for the most part they're spot on to how they look on the show especially Grimlock. Also just because a toy is simple to transform doesn't really mean they're bad or boring. Sometimes they can be interesting like how the Animated line did and besides having them be complecated isn't always the best direction with designs like this like Universe Ironhide and Ratchet proved as well as ROTF Blazemaster and Classics Galvatron proved long ago. If these toys are more on the lines of the upsclaed 2014 BH figures then I'd get what you're saying but I just don't see how the Warrior class toys are insulting kid's intelligence when they look to have a good balance between easy and challenging like the Animated line did and most modern toys like Generations Trailcutter.

As for the one step changers well we've had toys that weren't really any different in most of the past lines like in the first three movies and even lines like Animated and Prime and they're aimed for younger children.

Agreed. Since when does simple to transform = bad? If the overall toy look nice, is well articulated and is fun n' quick to transform, whay the hell are people complaining about? Sure, I love my complicated TFs. However, my most funs are quick and simple to transform.

HEAR,HEAR!!!!!This message is to all fans.Simple to transform does not mean the figure is ruined.Take TF4 Voyager Hound for example.It is easy to transform but up to date,no one I know(maybe a Bayformer hater bloke or a GEEWUNNER)says TF4 Voyager Hound is horrible or bad.In fact,he is a highly recommended figure.
So you see,people,please do not bear prejudice against the Warrior class figures.

Sabrblade wrote:Why are people saying that the Animated toys were simple? No, they were as advanced in engineering as any other 2007-2010 toys were, and were about as complex as the easiest-to-medium ROTF toys and the HFTD toys. They were not this simple (speaking of the Warrior class toys, that is).

Maybe Animated isn't the best comparison but still there were toys in it that were pretty simple in a sense yet are fun to transform.

Honestly the problem with them isn't so much that their transformations are merely simple. It's that the transformations look dull and uninspired and result in somewhat iffy looking robot modes. Worse, there don't seem to be any figures with involved transformations and proper poseability larger than a deluxe. Obviously I can't speak for everyone (kid, collector or otherwise) but some of my favourite Transformers as a kid were the larger ones with fairly clever (if not necessarily complex) transformations and a lot of extra play features, engineering and general "stuff to do". 2001 RID Optimus Prime is a shining example of such a toy, with good articulation, an interesting but by no means fiddly transformation and a lot of play options with his reconfigurable armour. The bigger toys for this line, on the other hand, seem to transform in 3 steps, have pitiful articulation and very little in the way of added play factor. Armada Megatron was a brick from the waist down but made up for it with the plethora of added play features- minicon hardpoints, flip out panels, secret compartments and lots of weaponry arrangements.

I dunno. I feel that if they want to sacrifice poseability and transformation complexity that they should make up for it in other ways (added play factor, sheer size, improved sculpting etc).

william-james88 wrote:

DecepticonFinishline wrote:What happened to that really really nice looking Bumblebee that we started seeing a long time ago? Is it, like, another 1st edition deal, so it's not getting much advertisement?

He's there but at a different angle. And this time it's coloured plastic and not fully painted like all Hasbro Stock images are initially (and in less perfect lighting and so on).

Pretty much, without all the marketting flash, this



becomes this



Still interested?

................ Wow........

Woof. Well, crap. I mean, this line still has potential, and I'm hopeful... But I might wait to see what Wave 2 looks like before I get too heavily involved...

We don't have an exact location, but it appears that some Toys'R'Us stores in the US have started stocking the One-Step Changers from the upcoming Transformers: Robots in Disguise animated series. The photo proof below comes via the Facebook group Transformers Addicts! and its member Richard Puente. If you spot any of these in your area, make sure to flag them up in the Sightings section and forums!

damn... that seems fast doesnt it?

Sabrblade wrote:Why are people saying that the Animated toys were simple? No, they were as advanced in engineering as any other 2007-2010 toys were, and were about as complex as the easiest-to-medium ROTF toys and the HFTD toys. They were not this simple (speaking of the Warrior class toys, that is).

Totally agree with this.

And it begins....