The Energon Pub

[Sabrblade]

I've never understood the contention.

It answers itself in the scene composition. Thundercracker is front and centre. He is reformatted into Scourge. Bombshell is likewise front and centre, reformatted into Cyclonus. Skywarp is in the background, just as the other Insecticons that became the Sweeps.

A lot of people just dislike that asymmetry.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

I've never understood the contention.

It answers itself in the scene composition. Thundercracker is front and centre. He is reformatted into Scourge. Bombshell is likewise front and centre, reformatted into Cyclonus. Skywarp is in the background, just as the other Insecticons that became the Sweeps.

A lot of people just dislike that asymmetry.

I suppose so. Although I can't think of who could have been the sixth dead Decepticon? It probably doesn't help that ultimately Skywarp was reformatted into Armada nothing...

[Razorbeast88]

I've never understood the contention.

It answers itself in the scene composition. Thundercracker is front and centre. He is reformatted into Scourge. Bombshell is likewise front and centre, reformatted into Cyclonus. Skywarp is in the background, just as the other Insecticons that became the Sweeps.

Exactly. The main argument for skywarp being cyclonus is always "it would make more sense because thundercracker became scourge." So it's less about what actually happened and more about what makes someone feel better I guess lol

[AllNewSuperRobot]

But by the same token, Cyclonus is smart and cunning. Which would point his origins towards Bombshell, over Skywarp. Who wasn't exactly an intellectual in Sunbow.

[Razorbeast88]

But by the same token, Cyclonus is smart and cunning. Which would point his origins towards Bombshell, over Skywarp. Who wasn't exactly an intellectual in Sunbow.

Agreed, I dont understand why it's debatable in the first place lol

[Sabrblade]

But by the same token, Cyclonus is smart and cunning. Which would point his origins towards Bombshell, over Skywarp. Who wasn't exactly an intellectual in Sunbow.

Agreed, I dont understand why it's debatable in the first place lol

A lot of people just dislike that asymmetry.

[Razorbeast88]

But by the same token, Cyclonus is smart and cunning. Which would point his origins towards Bombshell, over Skywarp. Who wasn't exactly an intellectual in Sunbow.

Agreed, I dont understand why it's debatable in the first place lol

A lot of people just dislike that asymmetry.

I saw that from earlier haha fair enough. At the end of the day it really doesn't matter, whatever makes people happy

[aronjlove]

I've never understood the contention.

It answers itself in the scene composition. Thundercracker is front and centre. He is reformatted into Scourge. Bombshell is likewise front and centre, reformatted into Cyclonus. Skywarp is in the background, just as the other Insecticons that became the Sweeps.

Do you take everything in animation as correct? Including that scene of the Combaticons and Bruticus all together? Or any of the scenes where characters literally change size depending on who is drawn next to them? I mean, if they never animated anything wrong then you would be right. But everything about G1, except the toys, is riddled with errors, animation and comic both. And therein lies the contention.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

I've never understood the contention.

It answers itself in the scene composition. Thundercracker is front and centre. He is reformatted into Scourge. Bombshell is likewise front and centre, reformatted into Cyclonus. Skywarp is in the background, just as the other Insecticons that became the Sweeps.

Do you take everything in animation as correct? Including that scene of the Combaticons and Bruticus all together? Or any of the scenes where characters literally change size depending on who is drawn next to them? I mean, if they never animated anything wrong then you would be right. But everything about G1, except the toys, is riddled with errors, animation and comic both. And therein lies the contention.

Except these are two identical scenes made just for The Movie. Never repeated or contradicted. The usual dismissive 'animation errors' for Sunbow, doesn't really apply to a purposely replicated composition.

[Munkky]

After months of telling myself I wouldn't, I'm now really tempted to get the Devastator box set. I've had a few of the individual Constructicons in the past, but recently sold them all on Ebay. The UK website Kapow Toys still has the set listed as a pre-order (even though it was supposed to have come out in October?) and I feel as if I should get it before it goes. For those who have Devastator, is he worth it?

[aronjlove]

I've never understood the contention.

It answers itself in the scene composition. Thundercracker is front and centre. He is reformatted into Scourge. Bombshell is likewise front and centre, reformatted into Cyclonus. Skywarp is in the background, just as the other Insecticons that became the Sweeps.

Do you take everything in animation as correct? Including that scene of the Combaticons and Bruticus all together? Or any of the scenes where characters literally change size depending on who is drawn next to them? I mean, if they never animated anything wrong then you would be right. But everything about G1, except the toys, is riddled with errors, animation and comic both. And therein lies the contention.

Except these are two identical scenes made just for The Movie. Never repeated or contradicted. The usual dismissive 'animation errors' for Sunbow, doesn't really apply to a purposely replicated composition.

Huh, I guess you're right:

[AllNewSuperRobot]

After months of telling myself I wouldn't, I'm now really tempted to get the Devastator box set. I've had a few of the individual Constructicons in the past, but recently sold them all on Ebay. The UK website Kapow Toys still has the set listed as a pre-order (even though it was supposed to have come out in October?) and I feel as if I should get it before it goes. For those who have Devastator, is he worth it?

£370!

What is the going rate for a Combiner boxset, these days? The WFC Bruticus was probably the "newest" Gestalt I've bought and he was a lot cheaper than that.

[sol magnus]

I've never understood the contention.

It answers itself in the scene composition. Thundercracker is front and centre. He is reformatted into Scourge. Bombshell is likewise front and centre, reformatted into Cyclonus. Skywarp is in the background, just as the other Insecticons that became the Sweeps.

Do you take everything in animation as correct? Including that scene of the Combaticons and Bruticus all together? Or any of the scenes where characters literally change size depending on who is drawn next to them? I mean, if they never animated anything wrong then you would be right. But everything about G1, except the toys, is riddled with errors, animation and comic both. And therein lies the contention.

Except these are two identical scenes made just for The Movie. Never repeated or contradicted. The usual dismissive 'animation errors' for Sunbow, doesn't really apply to a purposely replicated composition.

Huh, I guess you're right:

The other Decepticons were dead, the only one alive was Megatron. He used their 'raw material' to form 'new troops for [Megatron] to command."

Megatron was the only one to 'continue' with memory of his former self as evidence by the rest of the movie and further episodes would touch on that state of affairs for only Galvatron.

While, as a kid, I probably rathered the idea of Skywarp being Cyclonus, but who any of the Decepticons were before Unicron got to them was irrelevant to Unicron. Megatron was barely relevant.

[Quantum Surge]

After months of telling myself I wouldn't, I'm now really tempted to get the Devastator box set. I've had a few of the individual Constructicons in the past, but recently sold them all on Ebay. The UK website Kapow Toys still has the set listed as a pre-order (even though it was supposed to have come out in October?) and I feel as if I should get it before it goes. For those who have Devastator, is he worth it?

Yeah, he is even without the upgrade kit. I felt he wasore rewarding of an experience than the CW combiners since each guy was unique from one another and having a nice, big Devastator felt 100% rewarding after the Supreme letdown and the small Legends version.

[ZeroWolf]

I've never understood the contention.

It answers itself in the scene composition. Thundercracker is front and centre. He is reformatted into Scourge. Bombshell is likewise front and centre, reformatted into Cyclonus. Skywarp is in the background, just as the other Insecticons that became the Sweeps.

Do you take everything in animation as correct? Including that scene of the Combaticons and Bruticus all together? Or any of the scenes where characters literally change size depending on who is drawn next to them? I mean, if they never animated anything wrong then you would be right. But everything about G1, except the toys, is riddled with errors, animation and comic both. And therein lies the contention.

Except these are two identical scenes made just for The Movie. Never repeated or contradicted. The usual dismissive 'animation errors' for Sunbow, doesn't really apply to a purposely replicated composition.

Huh, I guess you're right:

The other Decepticons were dead, the only one alive was Megatron. He used their 'raw material' to form 'new troops for [Megatron] to command."

Megatron was the only one to 'continue' with memory of his former self as evidence by the rest of the movie and further episodes would touch on that state of affairs for only Galvatron.

While, as a kid, I probably rathered the idea of Skywarp being Cyclonus, but who any of the Decepticons were before Unicron got to them was irrelevant to Unicron. Megatron was barely relevant.

This is the correct way of thinking about it, megatron to Galvatron was the only one that had anything from the previous incarnation transfer over. Everyone else? They were just scrap and given new identities and personality by Unicron. Bombshell? Skywarp? Doesn't matter, dead Decepticon becomes Cyclonus, same difference.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

After months of telling myself I wouldn't, I'm now really tempted to get the Devastator box set. I've had a few of the individual Constructicons in the past, but recently sold them all on Ebay. The UK website Kapow Toys still has the set listed as a pre-order (even though it was supposed to have come out in October?) and I feel as if I should get it before it goes. For those who have Devastator, is he worth it?

Far and away he is worth it. It's a fantastic toy, huge, lots of great parts, fun to combine, and all 8 component parts are great toys by themselves. Cannot recommend enough!

What is the going rate for a Combiner boxset, these days? The WFC Bruticus was probably the "newest" Gestalt I've bought and he was a lot cheaper than that.

Devastator is over 2.5 times the size of the standard CW combiner in terms of members and cost. In USD, a CW combiner would cost $100 plus tax, Devastator would cost $260 plus tax. He is huge

[Overcracker]

After months of telling myself I wouldn't, I'm now really tempted to get the Devastator box set. I've had a few of the individual Constructicons in the past, but recently sold them all on Ebay. The UK website Kapow Toys still has the set listed as a pre-order (even though it was supposed to have come out in October?) and I feel as if I should get it before it goes. For those who have Devastator, is he worth it?

£370!

What is the going rate for a Combiner boxset, these days? The WFC Bruticus was probably the "newest" Gestalt I've bought and he was a lot cheaper than that.

Well, in Devy's deference, WFC combiners are smaller than SS Devastator, and have less figures that comprise them.

4 small deluxe + 1 voyager. vs 2 deluxes + 4 voyagers + 2 leaders for SS Devy.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

I see. As I was looking up the price I did note he is an eight figure combiner. Considering "normal" is 3-5 figures, I imagine he would be a big boy with an additional three characters.

dead Decepticon becomes Cyclonus, same difference.

...And his Armada

[ZeroWolf]

I see. As I was looking up the price I did note he is an eight figure combiner. Considering "normal" is 3-5 figures, I imagine he would be a big boy with an additional three characters.

dead Decepticon becomes Cyclonus, same difference.

...And his Armada

Well you can't blame me for forgetting that...the people working on the show certainly did

[TF-fan kev777]

Does anyone else with SS86 Hot Rod have any issues with his legs not wanting to fully close in bot mode? For me the issue is his right calf. It looks like there is some interference with his ankle tilt that forces his calf on that side to pop back open. The calf will stay closed if I have the ankle tilt bent as far a possible, but as soon as I try to straighten out the ankle, the calf pops open. It does look like the grey ankle piece on that side is slightly thicker that the other and what appears to be causing the interference.

I'm trying to get a feel for how widespread the issue might be before deciding to either exchange him or maybe shave down the area on his ankle tilt that is interfering.

Here are the best photos I could take of the issue.

Standing upright, the calf won't stay closed.

Use a super wide "a" stance, and it stays closed.

Same deal as above, but focusing on just the ankle, first the extreme tilt, everything stays closed.

Straighten out the ankle and it pops open.

It is a bit of a bummer as I do like the figure. Hopefully mine is just a stinker and I'll be able to easily exchange it.

[aronjlove]

Does anyone else with SS86 Hot Rod have any issues with his legs not wanting to fully close in bot mode? For me the issue is his right calf. It looks like there is some interference with his ankle tilt that forces his calf on that side to pop back open. The calf will stay closed if I have the ankle tilt bent as far a possible, but as soon as I try to straighten out the ankle, the calf pops open. It does look like the grey ankle piece on that side is slightly thicker that the other and what appears to be causing the interference.

I'm trying to get a feel for how widespread the issue might be before deciding to either exchange him or maybe shave down the area on his ankle tilt that is interfering.

Here are the best photos I could take of the issue.

Standing upright, the calf won't stay closed.

20210111_102544.jpg

Use a super wide "a" stance, and it stays closed.

20210113_151211.jpg

Same deal as above, but focusing on just the ankle, first the extreme tilt, everything stays closed.

20210113_151256.jpg

Straighten out the ankle and it pops open.

20210113_151304.jpg

It is a bit of a bummer as I do like the figure. Hopefully mine is just a stinker and I'll be able to easily exchange it.

I got a little bit of a similar problem but it is on the left leg and I don't have to make him do the super wide stance. But yes, if the left foot is completely flat the calf won't completely close. Not as bad as yours though.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Does anyone else with SS86 Hot Rod have any issues with his legs not wanting to fully close in bot mode? For me the issue is his right calf. It looks like there is some interference with his ankle tilt that forces his calf on that side to pop back open. The calf will stay closed if I have the ankle tilt bent as far a possible, but as soon as I try to straighten out the ankle, the calf pops open. It does look like the grey ankle piece on that side is slightly thicker that the other and what appears to be causing the interference.

I'm trying to get a feel for how widespread the issue might be before deciding to either exchange him or maybe shave down the area on his ankle tilt that is interfering.

Here are the best photos I could take of the issue.

Standing upright, the calf won't stay closed.

20210111_102544.jpg

Use a super wide "a" stance, and it stays closed.

20210113_151211.jpg

Same deal as above, but focusing on just the ankle, first the extreme tilt, everything stays closed.

20210113_151256.jpg

Straighten out the ankle and it pops open.

20210113_151304.jpg

It is a bit of a bummer as I do like the figure. Hopefully mine is just a stinker and I'll be able to easily exchange it.

I got a little bit of a similar problem but it is on the left leg and I don't have to make him do the super wide stance. But yes, if the left foot is completely flat the calf won't completely close. Not as bad as yours though.

I wonder... any numbers or letters on that particular part?

[TF-fan kev777]

I wonder... any numbers or letters on that particular part?

No, but there is a circle recess in the area that seems to be the problem and the whole area outside the circle is a bit thicker than I think it is supposed to be. The part in question is pinned on both sides and damn near impossible to photograph (especially with the crappy camera and lack of skills). but visually the one causing the problems seems to be not as flat as the one that cooperates.

[chuckdawg1999]

I wonder... any numbers or letters on that particular part?

No, but there is a circle recess in the area that seems to be the problem and the whole area outside the circle is a bit thicker than I think it is supposed to be. The part in question is pinned on both sides and damn near impossible to photograph (especially with the crappy camera and lack of skills). but visually the one causing the problems seems to be not as flat as the one that cooperates.

Are you sure you have the rear wheels folded all the way in? I think they have to snap into place.

[TF-fan kev777]

Are you sure you have the rear wheels folded all the way in? I think they have to snap into place.

Yep, I have them all the way in. After you asked, I took another look. It is definitely a tolerance issue on the grey part that forms the ankle tilt. I can actually see that there is a slight taper on the side that wasn't working while the other is flat, and the area with the taper is exactly what is rubbing against the fender of the car when it is tucked inside the calf.

But there is good news, I got it working. It seems like the part with the tolerance issue is just barely on the edge of being an issue and wearing in. If I hold the calf closed while I slowly move the ankle tilt inward, everything will stay together when I let go. I even got it working about half way through the tilt without having to hold the calf closed if I go slowly and make small adjustments. There is just enough friction on the tabs to keep them closed if I go slow. If I go fast, they pop right open.

Since he is due to be repacked in the next wave, I at least have time to see if things will wear in and work or get worse and replace him if it becomes an issue.