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That's a freaky image of astrotrain with three heads

Also looks like ravage is rideable in beast mode as well as jet mode is just ravage facing the other way...

SillySpringer wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:"Emissary" and Cerebros. So Emissary is the small guy/head of Cerebros right?

This is correct. He even looks like the cartoon "The Rebirth" styled head

Interesting. I didn't know Spike became the head in some points.

Yup, the Hasbro G1 toy headmaster head was Spike. Thats pretty crazy when you think about it, a human becoming a headmaster.

RiddlerJ wrote:I want to like that Astrotrain, but it's kinda meh. The train mode is too far away from a real train, (so is the shuttle) for the character. This isn't a bad thing in of itself, but it just isn't convincing me to upgrade from the Classics Astrotrain which also had compromised alt modes.

I do like Galvatron on the other hand. He would be a nice upgrade from that crappy Universe version

I think in both cases its simply going from a deluxe to a voyager. Thats mainly why I am getting this astrotrain, I feel a voyager makes more sense for my collection. Same with Galvatron. What is weird though is that the classics trio of Scourge, Cyclonus and Galvatron were all deluxes and scaled well together. Now we have a voyager cyclonus and galvatron but Scourge is a deluxe. Kind of odd, no? And is it just me or does it look like Galvatron has hemorrhoids in canon mode?

william-james88 wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:"Emissary" and Cerebros. So Emissary is the small guy/head of Cerebros right?

This is correct. He even looks like the cartoon "The Rebirth" styled head

Interesting. I didn't know Spike became the head in some points.

Yup, the Hasbro G1 toy headmaster head was Spike. Thats pretty crazy when you think about it, a human becoming a headmaster.

RiddlerJ wrote:I want to like that Astrotrain, but it's kinda meh. The train mode is too far away from a real train, (so is the shuttle) for the character. This isn't a bad thing in of itself, but it just isn't convincing me to upgrade from the Classics Astrotrain which also had compromised alt modes.

I do like Galvatron on the other hand. He would be a nice upgrade from that crappy Universe version

I think in both cases its simply going from a deluxe to a voyager. Thats mainly why I am getting this astrotrain, I feel a voyager makes more sense for my collection. Same with Galvatron. What is weird though is that the classics trio of Scourge, Cyclonus and Galvatron were all deluxes and scaled well together. Now we have a voyager cyclonus and galvatron but Scourge is a deluxe. Kind of odd, no? And is it just me or does it look like Galvatron has hemorrhoids in canon mode?

I made my peace with scale issues long ago. It's hard enough to get whole lineups of characters in a team, let alone all in the same size.

Oh thank goodness. Ravage does have a different head and not that spikey head thing from the CGI.

Poor Nucleon would look so much better with just a bit of silver or even touch of red

Easy pass on all of these. Making Astrotrain a headmaster is just bad. I never liked headmasters anyway.

Me, I still don't get why the are making so many of the former non-headmaster's into headmasters. I love the Galvatron, but does he really need to be a headmaster?

Hrm, so Ravage can be a jet now?

Would that make him a *puts on sunglasses* JET JAGUAR?

SillySpringer wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:"Emissary" and Cerebros. So Emissary is the small guy/head of Cerebros right?

This is correct. He even looks like the cartoon "The Rebirth" styled head

Interesting. I didn't know Spike became the head in some points.

Shuttershock wrote:Hrm, so Ravage can be a jet now?

Would that make him a *puts on sunglasses* JET JAGUAR?

I love this post so much right now.

As to people complaining about the titan master gimmick, is it that much of a burden? Just treat it as another step in the transformation process, simple.

Personally I'm okay with these changes, they are really good looking toys and the titanmaster gimmick doesn't bother me.

Rodimus Knight wrote:Me, I still don't get why the are making so many of the former non-headmaster's into headmasters. I love the Galvatron, but does he really need to be a headmaster?

They're making all these 1986 characters to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the 1986 movie. That they're all Headmasters now is due to that being the line-wide gimmick of Titans Return.

I am just glad that a new Astrotrain is released while I am collecting. (Missed out on the first one).
It does not bother me at all that they are headmasters. I will not be using non-headmaster characters as headmasters, just as classics.
So far Titans Return

RiddlerJ wrote:I want to like that Astrotrain, but it's kinda meh. The train mode is too far away from a real train, (so is the shuttle) for the character. This isn't a bad thing in of itself, but it just isn't convincing me to upgrade from the Classics Astrotrain which also had compromised alt modes.

I do like Galvatron on the other hand. He would be a nice upgrade from that crappy Universe version

I agree about Astrotrain. This isn't what I had in mind to go alongside Springer, Blitzwing and Sandstorm. It's a new take on the character, but doesn't fill the Voyage Class "Generations" gap for me. I was really hoping for a significant remold from Sentinel Prime along the lines of Springer and Sandstorm.

Seibertron wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:I want to like that Astrotrain, but it's kinda meh. The train mode is too far away from a real train, (so is the shuttle) for the character. This isn't a bad thing in of itself, but it just isn't convincing me to upgrade from the Classics Astrotrain which also had compromised alt modes.

I do like Galvatron on the other hand. He would be a nice upgrade from that crappy Universe version

I agree about Astrotrain. This isn't what I had in mind to go alongside Springer, Blitzwing and Sandstorm. It's a new take on the character, but doesn't fill the Voyage Class "Generations" gap for me. I was really hoping for a significant remold from Sentinel Prime along the lines of Springer and Sandstorm.

Seems that this sketch from the Stormbringer trade paperback was the inspiration for the Sentinel/Astrotrain mold:

Rodimus Knight wrote:Me, I still don't get why the are making so many of the former non-headmaster's into headmasters. I love the Galvatron, but does he really need to be a headmaster?

It balances out for all the toys they released with their gimmicks neutered throughout the years. Like with Gen Thunderwing, Nightbeat and Armada Starscream which didnt retain their original G1 gimicks. Ayways, this is generations, the moto was always about doing something new with G1 characters. Where was the uproar when Powerglide was turned into a targetmaster? If we want a perfect reinterpretation of G1 there is only Masterpiece.

And if anyone wants a nice non headmaster Galvatron for their classics collection, there is still Energon Galvatron who is still Boss!

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Knight wrote:Me, I still don't get why the are making so many of the former non-headmaster's into headmasters. I love the Galvatron, but does he really need to be a headmaster?

It balances out for all the toys they released with their gimmicks neutered throughout the years. Like with Gen Thunderwing, Nightbeat and Armada Starscream which didnt retain their original G1 gimicks. Ayways, this is generations, the moto was always about doing something new with G1 characters. Where was the uproar when Powerglide was turned into a targetmaster? If we want a perfect reinterpretation of G1 there is only Masterpiece.

And if anyone wants a nice non headmaster Galvatron for their classics collection, there is still Energon Galvatron who is still Boss!

Regarding Powerglide, his "Targetmaster" alt mode doesn't interfere with either a good looking robot mode and a nice looking alternate mode, both of which are true to G1 Powerglide. Well, aside from his butt flap, of course. Other than that, he's a near perfect homage to me. I wouldn't mind the feature on Galvatron and Blaster, if the Transformer could transform without disconnecting the head.

It'd be great to have some fiction to explain why everyone decided to become a Headmaster Titan Master. Something as simple as the Decoy pamplet, the Beast Wars mini-comic that came with the Megatron/Optimus Primal 2 pack, etc ... just want something fictional to tell me the story about why they're all Titanmasters.

That's a weird thing though, by this point with combiner wars we knew what was going on in the fiction as they had dropped hints as to how combiner tech was getting introduced into idw but so far, nothing on titans returns, not even the bios are giving anything away other than that certain heads have special powers. I mean are idw doing a tie in? Do we have to wait till machina are doing a titans returns cartoon to learn the story?

Seibertron wrote:It'd be great to have some fiction to explain why everyone decided to become a Headmaster Titan Master. Something as simple as the Decoy pamplet, the Beast Wars mini-comic that came with the Megatron/Optimus Primal 2 pack, etc ... just want something fictional to tell me the story about why they're all Titanmasters.

(I know this isnt super related to what you asked) From what I gathered of the early info on Titans Return, I liked how there would finally be a distinction between what we call the little head components and what we call the full robot. In G1, both the small head robot was a headmaster and the main complete robot was a headmaster. I thought the idea behind this line was that the complete robot was still a headmaster but the small head component was a titan master. And that seems to be the general idea still since we still reffer to this upcoming Chromedome as a Headmaster (in fact we are all saying how its not cool to be turning everyone into a headmaster) while the small head component is now a titan master. So I think thats smart on hasro to finally clear something up and distinguish the head as a different name than the overall robot.

And I am pretty sure it was confirmed in an interview (dont remember which one but I think we published it on the site) that all these characters becoming headmasters will not be an element in the fiction.

And if yo are just referring to something to help explain the fiction of the toy itself, we actually have you covered with the bios. Here is the one for Scourge:

The DECEPTICONS unite with TITAN MASTER parnters to power up for battle! FRACAS can steal the power of other bots, letting SCOURGE harness whatever ability suits his sinister plans.

So they are more like powermasters in a way, just a power up.

ZeroWolf wrote: Do we have to wait till machina are doing a titans returns cartoon to learn the story?

Oh dear, if we waited for those guys, we would have to wait for 2 years to see a 5 second clip.

Astrotrain looks too busy. Look at all those lines in shuttle mode. I feel they could just smooth it out a little bit.

omega666 wrote:I never liked headmasters anyway.

Me too.

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Bruticus... so... ORANGE....

Astrotrain isn't really doing anything for me with that look. I'll wait and see how it actually handles.

But why is there still NO Legends Kickback?

william-james88 wrote:From what I gathered of the early info on Titans Return, I liked how there would finally be a distinction between what we call the little head components and what we call the full robot. In G1, both the small head robot was a headmaster and the main complete robot was a headmaster. I thought the idea behind this line was that the complete robot was still a headmaster but the small head component was a titan master. And that seems to be the general idea still since we still reffer to this upcoming Chromedome as a Headmaster (in fact we are all saying how its not cool to be turning everyone into a headmaster) while the small head component is now a titan master. So I think thats smart on hasro to finally clear something up and distinguish the head as a different name than the overall robot.

I thought the small robot was called a headmaster and the larger one was called a transtector. Or was that just in japan?

DeathReviews wrote:But why is there still NO Legends Kickback?

Freakin' A!

The more I see Sentinal Prime the more I will pair him with Botcon Ginrai...'nuff said!