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Ironhidensh wrote:This makes Hasbro's look like a one step changer. I don't care about the "i's not fair to compare Hasbro and 3rd party" nonsense. The fact is, 3rd party is out there, abd I can't set awesome aside and settle for decent. Maybe it's just a problem with me.

No, not at all. Its your opinion. I look at things a bit differently though. I have 3p toys too but I actually do not like them as much as my Hasbro toys. While they do feel meetier, they also lack elegance. Especially in the transformation. There are many instances where it seems they are adding elements as they go along in a toy's process. They find that there is a hole somewhere so they add an extra small (and easy breakable) tab or panel instead of going back to the drawing board and seeing if they could integrate that elsewhere. The best example would be the small metallic pieces dangling besides Appolyon's legs. That reeks of being added later (which we can tell from the lack of them in preliminary shots). I dont like that approach, it makes for a messy transformation. What Takara does instead is make the transformation more fun. They give you a very detailed and great looking robot without the needlessly complex transformation. I am all for complexity and I love it, but I dont like when it is clumsy. Another example of how 3p can be unelegant is how tney handle cybertronian animals. I own 3p tfs of cybertronian animals (Feral rex) and in all of them, the animal legs end up being stuck to the sides (ala G1) and they end up looking puny (like in G1). Instead by turning the animal leg into the robot leg (like in beast wars), you get this elegant and sleek robot.

Of course it would be fun if these were less hallow, but that isnt too differnt from G1. The forearms in TFs were always hollow but instead of the fist folding into the arm (hence why we see a big empty space), you'd have a sliding mechanism like on G1 Gnaw. I actually dont like those because when posing and playing the fist goes back inside sometimes (Happens all the time with G1 Divebomb). And those litle tabs look just as off to me as an empty spot.

Anyways, I just meant to say that I see hwere you are coming from but I find simplicity just as hard to pull off at complexity when the idea is to get from one functional mode to the next. I also value a fun transformation that wont frustrate me. The MP line is great at that even when they add complexity, but many 3ps arent as slick. Also, I get really ticked off when I buy 3rd party and then the next year another company makes that character again a bit differently. Its a game I hate to play. I dont bust my balls as much with Takara and Hasbro.

That's pretty well said WJ, especially the part about Apollyon. I mean, we both had issues with those leg panels, I remember the posts!

I'm more excited for Titans Returns than I ever was for Combiner Wars. I'll go back and read the last page to catch up

Following in Will's steps, I shall list the TR stuff I want to get.

WAVE 1
Nightbeat: Yes
Siren: Yes
Crashbash: No
Terri-Bull: No
Rewind: Maybe
Wheelie: No
Orange cat-table Stripes: No
Hardhead: Yes
Skullcruncher: Yes
Blurr: Yes
Scourge: Yes
SP: Yes
Galvatron: Yes
Blaster: Maybe
PMOP: Hopefully

WAVE 2
Brawn: No
Flywheels: Yes
Apeface: No
Grimlock: OMG YES ITS SO ADORABLE I NEED IT NOW
Black cat-table Ravage: No
Laserbeak: No
Rumble Frenzy: No
Chromedome: Yes
Mindwipe: Yes
Highbrow: Yes
Wolfwire: Yes
A3: Yes
Astrotrain: Yes
Soundwave: Maybe

TITANS
Fort Max: Hopefully
Trypticon: Hopefully

Is there a link with images for just the TR figures?

I've seen a few things I'm interested in and would like to see more without having to shift through a bunch of non-TR images.

Oooh we are posting lists!! Fort Max, Galvatron, Scourge, Blurr, Chromedome, Rewind, Highbrow, others. Probably.

To recap, DEFINITELY Fort Max and Galvatron. And I really hope I can get them in a store. Although I'm gonna want that Master Sword..

itscramtastic wrote:Oooh we are posting lists!! Fort Max, Galvatron, Scourge, Blurr, Chromedome, Rewind, Highbrow, others. Probably.

To recap, DEFINITELY Fort Max and Galvatron. And I really hope I can get them in a store. Although I'm gonna want that Master Sword..

I haven't decided if I want to pay that much extra for the Master Sword...

Okay, so now that I'm on an actual computer and not my iPhone where some of my thoughts would get mixed up from typos caused by my fat fingers, my thoughts on what was revealed today:

* Highbrow and Weirdwolf look incredible! Can't say they caught me by surprise, though; given Generations' current theme, I saw these coming a few miles away, it was just a matter of time. Glad I didn't bite for that BotCon Weirdwolf after all this time...

Also, no individual release for Brainstorm (at least so far)? What? I'd rather not have to pay an arm and a leg for an oversized orange-flavored gummy bear and Fort Max's baby cousin just for Brainstorm.

* Apeface is, as everyone else has said already, the star of the Titan Master lineup thus far revealed. Certainly casts a shadow of doubt over the possibility of a real-deal Voyager, though.

* Brawn, Clobber/Grimlock, and Skytread/Flywheels, ughhhhh... depending on what kind of vehicles they have (Brawn apparently has some sort of jeep that can also be a motorcycle?), I think these might be one of very few passes on what is shaping up to be a spectacular toy line. (on the subject of Clobber, I keep wanting to call him "Cobbler" for some reason )

* I wanted to like Alpha Trion, but... ugh, that beast mode is just terri-bad. At least the space ship mode looks sorta decent, so one-eighth of a point for that, I guess. So far, shaping up to join Brawn and Clobber in the near-pass club for me.

* Comparing Takara's Computron and Hasbro's, Takara's is overwhelmingly the winner, even if I like Hasbro's Strafe slightly more than Takara's. Though I do wish Scrounge was on his own... *sigh*

* Disappointed that Liokaiser got no acknowledgement apart from "oh whoops, he's on the back of a box for something else, yeah he's happening". At least we know he's going to be a thing, just hope he isn't going to be ridiculously priced...

Now if you'll allow me a moment;

OVERLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yay! Lists!

The Yes List(in no specific order):
Galvatron
Chromedome
Rewind
Hardhead
Skullcruncher
Blurr
Wolfwire
Highbrow
Astrotrain
Wheelie
Mindwipe

The Maybe List:
Alpha Trion
Scourge
Fort Max
Frenzy
Sentinel Prime
I'm pretty sure that's everyone. Anything not mentioned is a pass for me. When it comes to the Titan masters if they're at the store I might pick one of them up but they aren't things I really want.

WOLFWIRE FTW

Man, he is such a beast, ball-jointed ankles, I mean, come on! His beast mode is mind-blowingly amazing

Him and Skullcruncher are my must-haves, followed by crashbash and apeface, and then sentinel and astrotrain, and that's 'bout all I'm interested in

List time??? Ok sure!!

Rewind: Yes
Stripes: No
Wheelie: Yes
Hardhead: Yes
Skullcruncher: no
Blurr: yes
Scourge: no
Galvatron: Yes
Sentinel Prime: No
Terri-bull: no
Loudmouth: yes
Nightbeat: yes
Crashbash: no
Blaster: yes
PM Prime: maybe
Rumble: maybe
Laserbeak: maybe
Ravage: yes
Wolfwire: no
Highbrow: Yes
Chromedome: Yes
Mindwipe: no
Astrotrain: Yes
Alpha Trion: Yes
Soundwave: no
Apeface: Yes
Skytread: Maybe
Brawn: yes
Clobber: maybe
Fort Max: yes
Brainstorm: yes

Man, you guys are gonna be having some expensive months ahead of you

Hellscream9999 wrote:Man, you guys are gonna be having some expensive months ahead of you

Cheaper than combiner wars!

Plus, these ones can be spread out more. No more need to blow $100 in a fail swoop

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Man, you guys are gonna be having some expensive months ahead of you

Cheaper than combiner wars!

Even with Fortess Maximus? How so?

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Man, you guys are gonna be having some expensive months ahead of you

Cheaper than combiner wars!

Plus, these ones can be spread out more. No more need to blow $100 in one fell swoop

Yeah, I guess a bunch of them are smaller guys; bet hts will have some killer deals for those

[BW] Rainmaker wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Man, you guys are gonna be having some expensive months ahead of you

Cheaper than combiner wars!

Even with Fortess Maximus? How so?

Well, Devastator and Fort Max will be the same price, and i will be getting only about half of the voyagers and deluxes, so it will be much cheaper that way. I also got 2 leaders in the CW line, and so far that is the amount I will get here. so the more expensive ones even out while the cheaper ones will be cut in half. save legends and titan masters, but I am only getting a few and they are cheap.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Man, you guys are gonna be having some expensive months ahead of you

Cheaper than combiner wars!

Plus, these ones can be spread out more. No more need to blow $100 in one fell swoop

Yeah, I guess a bunch of them are smaller guys; bet hts will have some killer deals for those

Thank you for the english correction (seriously, no sarcasm here). It's been a long night. But yes, some killer deals will help with this.

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

[BW] Rainmaker wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Man, you guys are gonna be having some expensive months ahead of you

Cheaper than combiner wars!

Even with Fortess Maximus? How so?

Well, Devastator and Fort Max will be the same price, and i will be getting only about half of the voyagers and deluxes, so it will be much cheaper that way. I also got 2 leaders in the CW line, and so far that is the amount I will get here. so the more expensive ones even out while the cheaper ones will be cut in half. save legends and titan masters, but I am only getting a few and they are cheap.

Over here in Australia, I don't think Fort Max will be the same price. Devastator was the price of 5 voyagers here ($50 x5 = $300) I think Fort Max will be more expensive ranging from $350 to $400

[BW] Rainmaker wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Man, you guys are gonna be having some expensive months ahead of you

Cheaper than combiner wars!

Even with Fortess Maximus? How so?

Easy: by not buying him.

I much prefer Metroplex. When Fort Max was announced, I was really hoping for an IDW version.

[BW] Rainmaker wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

[BW] Rainmaker wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Man, you guys are gonna be having some expensive months ahead of you

Cheaper than combiner wars!

Even with Fortess Maximus? How so?

Well, Devastator and Fort Max will be the same price, and i will be getting only about half of the voyagers and deluxes, so it will be much cheaper that way. I also got 2 leaders in the CW line, and so far that is the amount I will get here. so the more expensive ones even out while the cheaper ones will be cut in half. save legends and titan masters, but I am only getting a few and they are cheap.

Over here in Australia, I don't think Fort Max will be the same price. Devastator was the price of 5 voyagers here ($50 x5 = $300) I think Fort Max will be more expensive ranging from $350 to $400

Try PM'ing Burn about it, have you looked at amiami or the like?

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Man, you guys are gonna be having some expensive months ahead of you

Cheaper than combiner wars!

Plus, these ones can be spread out more. No more need to blow $100 in one fell swoop

Yeah, I guess a bunch of them are smaller guys; bet hts will have some killer deals for those

Thank you for the english correction (seriously, no sarcasm here). It's been a long night.

No problem man

Hellscream9999 wrote:

[BW] Rainmaker wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

[BW] Rainmaker wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Man, you guys are gonna be having some expensive months ahead of you

Cheaper than combiner wars!

Even with Fortess Maximus? How so?

Well, Devastator and Fort Max will be the same price, and i will be getting only about half of the voyagers and deluxes, so it will be much cheaper that way. I also got 2 leaders in the CW line, and so far that is the amount I will get here. so the more expensive ones even out while the cheaper ones will be cut in half. save legends and titan masters, but I am only getting a few and they are cheap.

Over here in Australia, I don't think Fort Max will be the same price. Devastator was the price of 5 voyagers here ($50 x5 = $300) I think Fort Max will be more expensive ranging from $350 to $400

Try PM'ing Burn about it, have you looked at amiami or the like?

Ordering on online shippings always too darn high!

[BW] Rainmaker wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

[BW] Rainmaker wrote:Over here in Australia, I don't think Fort Max will be the same price. Devastator was the price of 5 voyagers here ($50 x5 = $300) I think Fort Max will be more expensive ranging from $350 to $400

Try PM'ing Burn about it, have you looked at amiami or the like?

Ordering on online shippings always too darn high!

Dunno what to tell ya then

[BW] Rainmaker wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

[BW] Rainmaker wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Man, you guys are gonna be having some expensive months ahead of you

Cheaper than combiner wars!

Even with Fortess Maximus? How so?

Well, Devastator and Fort Max will be the same price, and i will be getting only about half of the voyagers and deluxes, so it will be much cheaper that way. I also got 2 leaders in the CW line, and so far that is the amount I will get here. so the more expensive ones even out while the cheaper ones will be cut in half. save legends and titan masters, but I am only getting a few and they are cheap.

Over here in Australia, I don't think Fort Max will be the same price. Devastator was the price of 5 voyagers here ($50 x5 = $300) I think Fort Max will be more expensive ranging from $350 to $400

Um, $50 x 6 = $300. 50 x 5 = 250. So he was still sold for the price of 6 voyagers, same as here in the US. also, Titans seem to be around the same price point. Now Metroplex did come out at $125, but Devastator, due to the vastly higher amount of moving parts and the fact he was a combiner, increased that. I feel Fort Max will be around the same as he is a heavily retooled Metroplex with a deluxe headmaster.

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

[BW] Rainmaker wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

[BW] Rainmaker wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Man, you guys are gonna be having some expensive months ahead of you

Cheaper than combiner wars!

Even with Fortess Maximus? How so?

Well, Devastator and Fort Max will be the same price, and i will be getting only about half of the voyagers and deluxes, so it will be much cheaper that way. I also got 2 leaders in the CW line, and so far that is the amount I will get here. so the more expensive ones even out while the cheaper ones will be cut in half. save legends and titan masters, but I am only getting a few and they are cheap.

Over here in Australia, I don't think Fort Max will be the same price. Devastator was the price of 5 voyagers here ($50 x5 = $300) I think Fort Max will be more expensive ranging from $350 to $400

Um, $50 x 6 = $300. 50 x 5 = 250. So he was still sold for the price of 6 voyagers, same as here in the US. also, Titans seem to be around the same price point. Now Metroplex did come out at $125, but Devastator, due to the vastly higher amount of moving parts and the fact he was a combiner, increased that. I feel Fort Max will be around the same as he is a heavily retooled Metroplex with a deluxe headmaster.

Woops, my mistake. I think Metroplex would be the same amount than Devastator here but Fort Max would be more expensive than both.

the UK probably won't see half of this stuff anyway!(especially Fort Max) coz look at CW wave 2! it never showed up in the UK! same with Wave 5 deluxes(Combaticons), now granted online places like Kapow will probably have most if not all of the TR stuff, but just don't expect Fort Max to be turning up at TRU, Smyth's Toys or The Entertainer anytime soon! if at all....in the UK.

Except the cw wave 5 is supposed to be in argos and I've seen onslaught in symths so i'll be surprised if wave 5 doesn't arrive. Now sky lynx on the other hand...

But experience does show that the UK will miss one wave at least but that's just because they don't sell fast enough for the weird reorder process.

Still surprised the constructicons never arrived but I wonder if the slow sales of the platinum range and metroplex the years before played a role