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Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:I still don't understand these size class figures. So is Loud Mouth the name of the head mode or the little robot mode? Like Hyperfire is the name of the figure who forms Blurr's headmode.

I think it might be that either A) the Titan Master class figures don't have a distinction between the identity of the robot and head modes (like, both the robot and head are Loudmouth, unlike the partnered Titan Masters like Hyperfire turning into Blurr's head), or B) the body's identity overrules any of the head identities (like, if you were to put Loudmouth on Blurr's body, the result would still be Blurr with a new head, even if it looks different from the head formed by Hyperfire).

Wouldn't it be the other way around? Like it's only blurr if the head that looks like blurr is on the body? Otherwise if you put loudmouth's head on blurrs body, it would be loudmouth, right? God, this is why we need solid fiction, at least on the boxes

If going by the Japanese portrayal of Headmasters, then yes (which is what Option A would be). Option B would be like how The Rebirth had the bodies as the main robot mode identities, but that story never got to show what would happen if the characters ever swapped their heads around.

I don't know anything about the japanese stuff, I was just going by the logic that the brain would be in the head, so, swap the heads and swap personalities - or does the spark in the body contain the personality?

In "The Rebirth", Brainstorm instructed his fellow Autobot pre-Headmasters to download their memories and personalities into the auxiliary memory circuits in their chests, so as to maintain them whenever their heads would be detached from their bodies.

In the Japanese fiction, the bodies were never alive, built as lifeless constructs for the smaller -bodied Autobots to transform into heads that would attach to and control.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:This is why I never liked the American interpretation of headmasters.

I can handle it, if there's at least an explanation to the convoluted stuff, it's when there isn't any, that I get irritated

Hellscream9999 wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:This is why I never liked the American interpretation of headmasters.

I can handle it, if there's at least an explanation to the convoluted stuff, it's when there isn't any, that I get irritated

Just so everyone is clear, Hasbro has stated in interviews that it is not using the Japanese transector fiction. The little headmaster is its own character, but the the robot mode for the full robot always includes its head. Meaning that there is no such thing as a transector. Its just Blurr with the headmaster giving him a stat boost. And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.

Also, we have had tons of English reviews for Fort Max, but theyw ere relegated to the review section of the site, so any further review can be posted there instead. I eprsonally really liked this one: titans-return-fortress-maximus-review-by-kathleen-s-klutter-t107070.php

william-james88 wrote:Just so everyone is clear, Hasbro has stated in interviews that it is not using the Japanese transector fiction. The little headmaster is its own character, but the the robot mode for the full robot always includes its head. Meaning that there is no such thing as a transector. Its just Blurr with the headmaster giving him a stat boost. And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.

So, despite their attempt at play-style, the fiction directly contradicts that - dumb move hasbro

Hellscream9999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Just so everyone is clear, Hasbro has stated in interviews that it is not using the Japanese transector fiction. The little headmaster is its own character, but the the robot mode for the full robot always includes its head. Meaning that there is no such thing as a transector. Its just Blurr with the headmaster giving him a stat boost. And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.

So, despite their attempt at play-style, the fiction directly contradicts that - dumb move hasbro

Not at all. Each head can give a headmaster better stats, they just always need to have a head in robot mode.

william-james88 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Just so everyone is clear, Hasbro has stated in interviews that it is not using the Japanese transector fiction. The little headmaster is its own character, but the the robot mode for the full robot always includes its head. Meaning that there is no such thing as a transector. Its just Blurr with the headmaster giving him a stat boost. And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.

So, despite their attempt at play-style, the fiction directly contradicts that - dumb move hasbro

Not at all. Each head can give a headmaster better stats, they just always need to have a head in robot mode.

Oh, I thought this: 'And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.' was literal, in that they weren't incorporating head-swapping into the fiction

Hellscream9999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Just so everyone is clear, Hasbro has stated in interviews that it is not using the Japanese transector fiction. The little headmaster is its own character, but the the robot mode for the full robot always includes its head. Meaning that there is no such thing as a transector. Its just Blurr with the headmaster giving him a stat boost. And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.

So, despite their attempt at play-style, the fiction directly contradicts that - dumb move hasbro

Not at all. Each head can give a headmaster better stats, they just always need to have a head in robot mode.

Oh, I thought this: 'And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.' was literal, in that they weren't incorporating head-swapping into the fiction

No no, they do, but there is no such thing as a headless body. If its headless, its in vehicle mode. That is different from the japanese fiction where headless bodies exist and are just husks.

So... Put short and easy, this is Armada's Mini-Cons all over again. The main body provides the base stats, the head provides the boosts, and each is its own entity. Gotcha.

Wouldn't Blurr or anyone else who needs a Titan Master to give them a complete robot mode be S.O.O.L. if none are around? They'd be "trapped" in alt mode. It's too bad they didn't just incorporate regular heads into the deluxe, voyager, and leader figures outright. You can hide them away and use the Titan Masters instead for the playability angle, but if you lose Titan Master, at least you would still have a toy that can form a full humanoid robot on its own. In fact, I'm pretty sure this is why Hasbro had been so hesitant until now to revisit the Headmaster idea.

Wolfman Jake wrote:Wouldn't Blurr or anyone else who needs a Titan Master to give them a complete robot mode be S.O.O.L. if none are around? They'd be "trapped" in alt mode. It's too bad they didn't just incorporate regular heads into the deluxe, voyager, and leader figures outright. You can hide them away and use the Titan Masters instead for the playability angle, but if you lose Titan Master, at least you would still have a toy that can form a full humanoid robot on its own. In fact, I'm pretty sure this is why Hasbro had been so hesitant until now to revisit the Headmaster idea.

And that's why we have the Titan Master Class: spare heads, should you lose one.

Wolfman Jake wrote:Wouldn't Blurr or anyone else who needs a Titan Master to give them a complete robot mode be S.O.O.L. if none are around? They'd be "trapped" in alt mode. It's too bad they didn't just incorporate regular heads into the deluxe, voyager, and leader figures outright. You can hide them away and use the Titan Masters instead for the playability angle, but if you lose Titan Master, at least you would still have a toy that can form a full humanoid robot on its own. In fact, I'm pretty sure this is why Hasbro had been so hesitant until now to revisit the Headmaster idea.

You know, now that you say that I think the individual Titan Master packs are kind of their answer to losing heads. You lose one, you buy one. I wouldn't be surprised if we end up getting some of the alternate Japanese headsculpts early next year, giving kids just enough time to lose them, then offering a slightly different replacement.

EDIT: Of course someone else says this while I'm typing it out.

william-james88 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Just so everyone is clear, Hasbro has stated in interviews that it is not using the Japanese transector fiction. The little headmaster is its own character, but the the robot mode for the full robot always includes its head. Meaning that there is no such thing as a transector. Its just Blurr with the headmaster giving him a stat boost. And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.

So, despite their attempt at play-style, the fiction directly contradicts that - dumb move hasbro

Not at all. Each head can give a headmaster better stats, they just always need to have a head in robot mode.

Oh, I thought this: 'And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.' was literal, in that they weren't incorporating head-swapping into the fiction

No no, they do, but there is no such thing as a headless body. If its headless, its in vehicle mode. That is different from the japanese fiction where headless bodies exist and are just husks.

I think the way it works with Titanmasters is more like the head is a symbiote like Venom or Carnage in Marvel. They can move to different bodies and form a symbiotic bond where both personalities use the same body, kinda like Rebirth if they ever got around to switching heads.

I think personally, I'll just treat it as the Japanese method. I normally absorb official canon into my fan canon and then create a new when I think the official stuff is lacklustre.

What I would like to know though is why they are called titan masters. What is their connection to titans? Are IDW going to provide answers?

ZeroWolf wrote:I would like to know though is why they are called titan masters. What is their connection to titans? Are IDW going to provide answers?

I doubt it, Hasbro said not everything is connected to the comics. They are telling a story but through a toyline and surounding media can support aspects of it (but not all). The reason why they are titan masters is to differentiate the smaller robot from the larger robot. In G1 the headmaster both referrs to the small head robot and the toy in general. For example in G1: Horribul is a headmaster and he has a headmaster... wait what?

But now Blurr is a headmaster because he has a little titan master that becomes his head. And I guess them being small means they see the larger TFs as titans. Thats how I reasoned it. Especially if the leader size class can turn into cities for these little guys, just as titans like Metroplex would turn into cities for regular tfs.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:This is why I never liked the American interpretation of headmasters.

Weren't the Americans the ones who actually came up with the concept, and it was the Japanese who "interpeted" it in their series?

bluecatcinema wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:This is why I never liked the American interpretation of headmasters.

Weren't the Americans the ones who actually came up with the concept, and it was the Japanese who "interpeted" it in their series?

Doesn't mean that the Japanese transtector ideas didn't work better

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:So... Put short and easy, this is Armada's Mini-Cons all over again. The main body provides the base stats, the head provides the boosts, and each is its own entity. Gotcha.

That is precisely how Hasbro sees it. Its a very toy driven line and uses these more oldschool concepts which I find quite fun. I dont mind a toy's fiction being relegated to elements only applicable to the toys themselves.

This headmaster tangent topic is doing my head in.
I'm gonna buy Me a headmaster lose his head on purpose and dress him up as a headless robot zombie and he'll live forever with no personality to speak of.

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I would like to know though is why they are called titan masters. What is their connection to titans? Are IDW going to provide answers?

I doubt it, Hasbro said not everything is connected to the comics. They are telling a story but through a toyline and surounding media can support aspects of it (but not all). The reason why they are titan masters is to differentiate the smaller robot from the larger robot. In G1 the headmaster both referrs to the small head robot and the toy in general. For example in G1: Horribul is a headmaster and he has a headmaster... wait what?

But now Blurr is a headmaster because he has a little titan master that becomes his head. And I guess them being small means they see the larger TFs as titans. Thats how I reasoned it. Especially if the leader size class can turn into cities for these little guys, just as titans like Metroplex would turn into cities for regular tfs.

But what would the titan masters think about metroplex

Batfan@ Also we're allowed to go on a headmaster/titan master tangent here, this is the titans return thread

So, for example, Blurr is just the name of the body. Hyperfire and Nightbeat are the names of the heads. If either one would plug in, it would still be Blurr. Is that the idea?

RiddlerJ wrote:So, for example, Blurr is just the name of the body. Hyperfire and Nightbeat are the names of the heads. If either one would plug in, it would still be Blurr. Is that the idea?

Yes. It would still be Blurr, but with a special boost from whoever is his head. That actually works better than the transtector thing, because or else Blurr would just be a lifeless body, or he would be a small head giving life to a larger body. And thus he would never really be Blurr. The idea is Hasbro still wants these characters to be themselves. You can see that from the bios they give these toys:

RiddlerJ wrote:So, for example, Blurr is just the name of the body. Hyperfire and Nightbeat are the names of the heads. If either one would plug in, it would still be Blurr. Is that the idea?

In a sense, the US and Japan are opposites when it comes to naming the complete bots:

US: Name depends on body
Japan: Name depends on head but carries the name of the larger bot in-fiction

Example: In the US, Chromedome with Arcana instead of Stylor would still be called Chromedome. But in Japan, the whole would be named Brainstorm, piloting Chromedome's body.

Do we have an idea of what will be the price range for Fortress Maximus at retail? I wonder if he will have a similar price to Metroplex (with inflation) a few years ago or just be a lot more expensive? I'm not really interested in paying twice as much as I did for Metroplex.

Ultra Mad wrote:Do we have an idea of what will be the price range for Fortress Maximus at retail? I wonder if he will have a similar price to Metroplex (with inflation) a few years ago or just be a lot more expensive? I'm not really interested in paying twice as much as I did for Metroplex.

Fortress Maximus will retail for 179.99 in Toysrus. Keep in mind that Toysrus likes to raise the price within a week or so.

Thanks for the answer! Good thing I still have a few weeks to decide wheter I will pick him up or not. After seeing two reviews of the Big guy, not so sure about him anymore. Regardless, I happy that we won't have to spend more then 200$ to get him at retail