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william-james88 wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote: Every other TM has been released under the Titan's Return name including Skater Prime and Arcee.

Skater Prime was not released under Titans Return. That name is nowhere to be found on any of its material as far as I know.

Correct. I checked the box and the instructions and the only logos to be found are ones for "Transformers: Primitive Skateboarding" and the general "Generations" line logo.

However, if the Titans Return logo is to be found on the Trypticon cereal box art from SDCC (I have not checked to see if it is or not), then that would give Shreddicus Maximus an in for the TR line since his name was included in that art.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote: Every other TM has been released under the Titan's Return name including Skater Prime and Arcee.

Skater Prime was not released under Titans Return. That name is nowhere to be found on any of its material as far as I know.

Correct. I checked the box and the instructions and the only logos to be found are ones for "Transformers: Primitive Skateboarding" and the general "Generations" line logo.

However, if the Titans Return logo is to be found on the Trypticon cereal box art from SDCC (I have not checked to see if it is or not), then that would give Shreddicus Maximus an in for the TR line since his name was included in that art.

Were Parsec (for Nautica), Professor Go (for Metalhawk), Fengul (for Laser Optimus Prime), Dynamus (for Quickswitch), Fathom (for Tidal Wave), and Ginrai (for Magnus Prime) ever officially confirmed?

Rysquad wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote: Every other TM has been released under the Titan's Return name including Skater Prime and Arcee.

Skater Prime was not released under Titans Return. That name is nowhere to be found on any of its material as far as I know.

Correct. I checked the box and the instructions and the only logos to be found are ones for "Transformers: Primitive Skateboarding" and the general "Generations" line logo.

However, if the Titans Return logo is to be found on the Trypticon cereal box art from SDCC (I have not checked to see if it is or not), then that would give Shreddicus Maximus an in for the TR line since his name was included in that art.

We're Parsec (for Nautica), Professor Go (for Metalhawk), Fengul (for Laser Optimus Prime), Dynamus (for Quickswitch), Fathom (for Tidal Wave), and Ginrai (for Magnus Prime) ever officially confirmed?

Not officially to my memory, but I'd say they're all pretty safe bets. At the very least we got confirmation from John Warden that "Magnus Prime is Ginrai in all but name" (and is therefore Armada Optimus , but that's beside the point) so I think that's about as close to confirmation as we can expect.

Qwan wrote:

Rysquad wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote: Every other TM has been released under the Titan's Return name including Skater Prime and Arcee.

Skater Prime was not released under Titans Return. That name is nowhere to be found on any of its material as far as I know.

Correct. I checked the box and the instructions and the only logos to be found are ones for "Transformers: Primitive Skateboarding" and the general "Generations" line logo.

However, if the Titans Return logo is to be found on the Trypticon cereal box art from SDCC (I have not checked to see if it is or not), then that would give Shreddicus Maximus an in for the TR line since his name was included in that art.

We're Parsec (for Nautica), Professor Go (for Metalhawk), Fengul (for Laser Optimus Prime), Dynamus (for Quickswitch), Fathom (for Tidal Wave), and Ginrai (for Magnus Prime) ever officially confirmed?

Not officially to my memory, but I'd say they're all pretty safe bets. At the very least we got confirmation from John Warden that "Magnus Prime is Ginrai in all but name" (and is therefore Armada Optimus , but that's beside the point) so I think that's about as close to confirmation as we can expect.

I guess for me, my rationale is:

Assuming the cereal box has all planned Titans Masters for the Titans Return line: I don't think there's a new Deluxe or higher figure that would go with a solo Scorponok like Arcee with Leinad and a solo Ultra Magnus. Because Scorponok has an "Ultimate" tag like Ultra Magnus, Rodimus Prime, and Thundering, I'm assuming Scorponok was and is meant to be solo.

We can reasonably assume that we have names for the currently unnamed Titan Masters from the box sets. Having Refractor show up on the list as an Autobot makes him fit with Orion Pax as his unnamed Titan Master just for completeness, IMO.

Correct me if im wrong but there were a few errors in faction listings on the cereal box I think- so refractor as an autobot might not be a deal-breaker
Also, does anyone know the reasoning for Fengul as laser prime's TM? The best I can come up with is an anagram of Engulf, and laser prime (I think) being the one showing optimus and a fire on the side of the truck or something...

ArmadaPrime wrote:Correct me if im wrong but there were a few errors in faction listings on the cereal box I think- so refractor as an autobot might not be a deal-breaker
Also, does anyone know the reasoning for Fengul as laser prime's TM? The best I can come up with is an anagram of Engulf, and laser prime (I think) being the one showing optimus and a fire on the side of the truck or something...

Not sure what the name connection really is, if any (does Laser Prime have anything to do with iron? 'Fengul' makes the think Fe->iron a little bit). The thing that really gives it away is his ability, "Optic Scorch". Now if that's not a little in-joke about G2 colorschemes - which Laser Prime doesn't really possess himself, but he is from that era - I don't know what else to call it.

Qwan wrote:At the very least we got confirmation from John Warden that "Magnus Prime is Ginrai in all but name" (and is therefore Armada Optimus , but that's beside the point) so I think that's about as close to confirmation as we can expect.

About that, for those interested, the Wiki's decided that it's finally had enough of all the back-and-forth ambiguity about who Magnus Prime is supposed to be, and just gave him his own page with a big Notes section explaining the weirdness behind his identity.

Enterainment Earth has a preorder for individual Ramhorns. No need to buy the whole set or case.

http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HSC2391

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:Enterainment Earth has a preorder for individual Ramhorns. No need to buy the whole set or case.

http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HSC2391

Yeah, I've been watching this for a few days. Really don't want to wait until November though.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote: Every other TM has been released under the Titan's Return name including Skater Prime and Arcee.

Skater Prime was not released under Titans Return. That name is nowhere to be found on any of its material as far as I know.

Correct. I checked the box and the instructions and the only logos to be found are ones for "Transformers: Primitive Skateboarding" and the general "Generations" line logo.

However, if the Titans Return logo is to be found on the Trypticon cereal box art from SDCC (I have not checked to see if it is or not), then that would give Shreddicus Maximus an in for the TR line since his name was included in that art.

I was incorrect about Skater prime having the Titans Return logo on the box, but if you read the actual box, it is very clear that it should be part of Titan's return, since they call Shreddicus Max a Titan Master. So no logo, but the correct terminology.

Contrast this with the packaging for the Linebacker Prime/Orion Pax 2 pack, and there is absolutely zero mention that Orion Pax even has a removable head or Titan Master Partner. This is why I believe Refractor is yet to be revealed, if he ever will be. A second offering with a deluxe using Refractor as their head and the Scorponok die cast TM makes the most sense, if they haven't just completely scrapped it. Also, Refractor being indicated as an Autobot on the cereal box, doesn't necessarily mean anything since they already had Blunderbuss and Overboard under the wrong factions.

Reflector or Magnificus makes the most sense, but we could easily be speculating about nothing if Hasbro has simply just cancelled the plans anyway.

ArmadaPrime wrote:Correct me if im wrong but there were a few errors in faction listings on the cereal box I think- so refractor as an autobot might not be a deal-breaker
Also, does anyone know the reasoning for Fengul as laser prime's TM? The best I can come up with is an anagram of Engulf, and laser prime (I think) being the one showing optimus and a fire on the side of the truck or something...

"Engulf" is the best reason I've seen.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote: Every other TM has been released under the Titan's Return name including Skater Prime and Arcee.

Skater Prime was not released under Titans Return. That name is nowhere to be found on any of its material as far as I know.

Correct. I checked the box and the instructions and the only logos to be found are ones for "Transformers: Primitive Skateboarding" and the general "Generations" line logo.

However, if the Titans Return logo is to be found on the Trypticon cereal box art from SDCC (I have not checked to see if it is or not), then that would give Shreddicus Maximus an in for the TR line since his name was included in that art.

I was incorrect about Skater prime having the Titans Return logo on the box, but if you read the actual box, it is very clear that it should be part of Titan's return, since they call Shreddicus Max a Titan Master. So no logo, but the correct terminology.

Contrast this with the packaging for the Linebacker Prime/Orion Pax 2 pack, and there is absolutely zero mention that Orion Pax even has a removable head or Titan Master Partner. This is why I believe Refractor is yet to be revealed, if he ever will be. A second offering with a deluxe using Refractor as their head and the Scorponok die cast TM makes the most sense, if they haven't just completely scrapped it. Also, Refractor being indicated as an Autobot on the cereal box, doesn't necessarily mean anything since they already had Blunderbuss and Overboard under the wrong factions.

Reflector or Magnificus makes the most sense, but we could easily be speculating about nothing if Hasbro has simply just cancelled the plans anyway.

Along those same lines though, the instructions for Orion Pax say "Titan Master Figure" so if Ginrai is a Titan Master for Magnus Prime based on "Titan Master" terminology, Orion Pax has this too.

Rysquad wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:I was incorrect about Skater prime having the Titans Return logo on the box, but if you read the actual box, it is very clear that it should be part of Titan's return, since they call Shreddicus Max a Titan Master. So no logo, but the correct terminology.

Contrast this with the packaging for the Linebacker Prime/Orion Pax 2 pack, and there is absolutely zero mention that Orion Pax even has a removable head or Titan Master Partner. This is why I believe Refractor is yet to be revealed, if he ever will be. A second offering with a deluxe using Refractor as their head and the Scorponok die cast TM makes the most sense, if they haven't just completely scrapped it. Also, Refractor being indicated as an Autobot on the cereal box, doesn't necessarily mean anything since they already had Blunderbuss and Overboard under the wrong factions.

Reflector or Magnificus makes the most sense, but we could easily be speculating about nothing if Hasbro has simply just cancelled the plans anyway.

Along those same lines though, the instructions for Orion Pax say "Titan Master Figure" so if Ginrai is a Titan Master for Magnus Prime based on "Titan Master" terminology, Orion Pax has this too.

That is why I specified the packaging instead of the instructions. The packaging is the more official advertising of the product. You have to take the head off in order to transform Orion Pax, so the instructions are going to have to call it something no matter what. I would also assume Cognam's head is also going to be called a titan master, but that doesn't mean he is part of the line either.

Unless...Cogman's head is Refractor
(kidding, of course)

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Rysquad wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:I was incorrect about Skater prime having the Titans Return logo on the box, but if you read the actual box, it is very clear that it should be part of Titan's return, since they call Shreddicus Max a Titan Master. So no logo, but the correct terminology.

Contrast this with the packaging for the Linebacker Prime/Orion Pax 2 pack, and there is absolutely zero mention that Orion Pax even has a removable head or Titan Master Partner. This is why I believe Refractor is yet to be revealed, if he ever will be. A second offering with a deluxe using Refractor as their head and the Scorponok die cast TM makes the most sense, if they haven't just completely scrapped it. Also, Refractor being indicated as an Autobot on the cereal box, doesn't necessarily mean anything since they already had Blunderbuss and Overboard under the wrong factions.

Reflector or Magnificus makes the most sense, but we could easily be speculating about nothing if Hasbro has simply just cancelled the plans anyway.

Along those same lines though, the instructions for Orion Pax say "Titan Master Figure" so if Ginrai is a Titan Master for Magnus Prime based on "Titan Master" terminology, Orion Pax has this too.

That is why I specified the packaging instead of the instructions. The packaging is the more official advertising of the product. You have to take the head off in order to transform Orion Pax, so the instructions are going to have to call it something no matter what. I would also assume Cognam's head is also going to be called a titan master, but that doesn't mean he is part of the line either.

Unless...Cogman's head is Refractor
(kidding, of course)

But that assumes that Titan Master is a word just used for toys from the Titans return line, which it isn't. Cogman has been referred to by hasbro as having a titan master, and clearly he's not in the Titans Return line. Plus, that trypticon box is a spoof element of fiction, like the legends comics, and fiction and toys should be seen as two different entities. Of course this is my interpretation, just like what id previously discussed is other people's interpretation. But then in that case to avoid as much subjectivity as possible, it is best to rely on 1 thing that is as objective as possible:

Are the words Titans Return written on the box?

Yes=part of titans return
No=not part of titans return

That will be very important for me when comes time to write top lists and the like.

william-james88 wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Rysquad wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:I was incorrect about Skater prime having the Titans Return logo on the box, but if you read the actual box, it is very clear that it should be part of Titan's return, since they call Shreddicus Max a Titan Master. So no logo, but the correct terminology.

Contrast this with the packaging for the Linebacker Prime/Orion Pax 2 pack, and there is absolutely zero mention that Orion Pax even has a removable head or Titan Master Partner. This is why I believe Refractor is yet to be revealed, if he ever will be. A second offering with a deluxe using Refractor as their head and the Scorponok die cast TM makes the most sense, if they haven't just completely scrapped it. Also, Refractor being indicated as an Autobot on the cereal box, doesn't necessarily mean anything since they already had Blunderbuss and Overboard under the wrong factions.

Reflector or Magnificus makes the most sense, but we could easily be speculating about nothing if Hasbro has simply just cancelled the plans anyway.

Along those same lines though, the instructions for Orion Pax say "Titan Master Figure" so if Ginrai is a Titan Master for Magnus Prime based on "Titan Master" terminology, Orion Pax has this too.

That is why I specified the packaging instead of the instructions. The packaging is the more official advertising of the product. You have to take the head off in order to transform Orion Pax, so the instructions are going to have to call it something no matter what. I would also assume Cognam's head is also going to be called a titan master, but that doesn't mean he is part of the line either.

Unless...Cogman's head is Refractor
(kidding, of course)

But that assumes that Titan Master is a word just used for toys from the Titans return line, which it isn't. Cogman has been referred to by hasbro as having a titan master, and clearly he's not in the Titans Return line. Plus, that trypticon box is a spoof element of fiction, like the legends comics, and fiction and toys should be seen as two different entities. Of course this is my interpretation, just like what id previously discussed is other people's interpretation. But then in that case to avoid as much subjectivity as possible, it is best to rely on 1 thing that is as objective as possible:

Are the words Titans Return written on the box?

Yes=part of titans return
No=not part of titans return

That will be very important for me when comes time to write top lists and the like.

funnily enough...most of the reviews for Cogman that I've seen seem to steer clear of using the Titan Master name for his headmaster(even though we basically know that's what it is) same with Nitro Zeus

Entertainment Earth has a new listing for Ramhorn where he can be ordered individually instead of having to buy an entire wave of Titan Masters. This only ever happens on when an item is either sold in solid cases (meaning a box full of the same toy) or when there is even distribution of figures within a case. However, the fact that Ramhorn is the only Titan Master sold individually on the site is far more likely to mean that they will be getting solid cases of only this figure. These cases would be reaching stores in November, if any store other than Entertainment Earth orders them. it also further lends to the idea that ramhorn is truly the final Titan Master to be released at retail with the final Titan Master cases being made up of only him.

That's great news! Hopefully I can find him in stores before potp.

Ramhorn shelf warming in SEA.

any chance that TM Scorponok will be revealed(& I mean the actual figure shown) at NYCC

Stuartmaximus wrote:any chance that TM Scorponok will be revealed(& I mean the actual figure shown) at NYCC

Doubtful. I'm not even sure what he would go with, seeing as how the other 3 die casts were with some sort of boxset or figure.

And I really hope I see Ramhorn before November. I don't want to have to go online for a single titan master

Stuartmaximus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Rysquad wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:I was incorrect about Skater prime having the Titans Return logo on the box, but if you read the actual box, it is very clear that it should be part of Titan's return, since they call Shreddicus Max a Titan Master. So no logo, but the correct terminology.

Contrast this with the packaging for the Linebacker Prime/Orion Pax 2 pack, and there is absolutely zero mention that Orion Pax even has a removable head or Titan Master Partner. This is why I believe Refractor is yet to be revealed, if he ever will be. A second offering with a deluxe using Refractor as their head and the Scorponok die cast TM makes the most sense, if they haven't just completely scrapped it. Also, Refractor being indicated as an Autobot on the cereal box, doesn't necessarily mean anything since they already had Blunderbuss and Overboard under the wrong factions.

Reflector or Magnificus makes the most sense, but we could easily be speculating about nothing if Hasbro has simply just cancelled the plans anyway.

Along those same lines though, the instructions for Orion Pax say "Titan Master Figure" so if Ginrai is a Titan Master for Magnus Prime based on "Titan Master" terminology, Orion Pax has this too.

That is why I specified the packaging instead of the instructions. The packaging is the more official advertising of the product. You have to take the head off in order to transform Orion Pax, so the instructions are going to have to call it something no matter what. I would also assume Cognam's head is also going to be called a titan master, but that doesn't mean he is part of the line either.

Unless...Cogman's head is Refractor
(kidding, of course)

But that assumes that Titan Master is a word just used for toys from the Titans return line, which it isn't. Cogman has been referred to by hasbro as having a titan master, and clearly he's not in the Titans Return line. Plus, that trypticon box is a spoof element of fiction, like the legends comics, and fiction and toys should be seen as two different entities. Of course this is my interpretation, just like what id previously discussed is other people's interpretation. But then in that case to avoid as much subjectivity as possible, it is best to rely on 1 thing that is as objective as possible:

Are the words Titans Return written on the box?

Yes=part of titans return
No=not part of titans return

That will be very important for me when comes time to write top lists and the like.

funnily enough...most of the reviews for Cogman that I've seen seem to steer clear of using the Titan Master name for his headmaster(even though we basically know that's what it is) same with Nitro Zeus

I'd be curious to see if the instructions for Deluxe Cogman mention "Titan Master" or something else, like Headmaster as referenced in the actual film.

Stuartmaximus wrote:any chance that TM Scorponok will be revealed(& I mean the actual figure shown) at NYCC

If it is still going to be released, NYCC would probably be the next best show to debut him.

If Scorponok still exists, I just hope his release would help answer the "who is Refractor?" question as Refractor is really the only disputed Titan Master from the Trypticon cereal box.

william-james88 wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Rysquad wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:I was incorrect about Skater prime having the Titans Return logo on the box, but if you read the actual box, it is very clear that it should be part of Titan's return, since they call Shreddicus Max a Titan Master. So no logo, but the correct terminology.

Contrast this with the packaging for the Linebacker Prime/Orion Pax 2 pack, and there is absolutely zero mention that Orion Pax even has a removable head or Titan Master Partner. This is why I believe Refractor is yet to be revealed, if he ever will be. A second offering with a deluxe using Refractor as their head and the Scorponok die cast TM makes the most sense, if they haven't just completely scrapped it. Also, Refractor being indicated as an Autobot on the cereal box, doesn't necessarily mean anything since they already had Blunderbuss and Overboard under the wrong factions.

Reflector or Magnificus makes the most sense, but we could easily be speculating about nothing if Hasbro has simply just cancelled the plans anyway.

Along those same lines though, the instructions for Orion Pax say "Titan Master Figure" so if Ginrai is a Titan Master for Magnus Prime based on "Titan Master" terminology, Orion Pax has this too.

That is why I specified the packaging instead of the instructions. The packaging is the more official advertising of the product. You have to take the head off in order to transform Orion Pax, so the instructions are going to have to call it something no matter what. I would also assume Cognam's head is also going to be called a titan master, but that doesn't mean he is part of the line either.

Unless...Cogman's head is Refractor
(kidding, of course)

But that assumes that Titan Master is a word just used for toys from the Titans return line, which it isn't. Cogman has been referred to by hasbro as having a titan master, and clearly he's not in the Titans Return line. Plus, that trypticon box is a spoof element of fiction, like the legends comics, and fiction and toys should be seen as two different entities. Of course this is my interpretation, just like what id previously discussed is other people's interpretation. But then in that case to avoid as much subjectivity as possible, it is best to rely on 1 thing that is as objective as possible:

Are the words Titans Return written on the box?

Yes=part of titans return
No=not part of titans return

That will be very important for me when comes time to write top lists and the like.

I thought Hasbro was using terms like "Titan Master-compatible" in reference to Cogman (and Nitro). Since they're clearly in a separate line, that's how I've been interpreting their use of Titan Masters.

Correct me if I'm wrong but we have no official documentation (instructions, packaging, etc.) from Hasbro that actually says:

• Dynamus (Evolutionary Mode Switch) is Quickswitch's Titan Master
• Fengul (Optics Scorch) is Laser Optimus Prime's Titan Master
• Ginrai (Chokon Power) is Magnus Prime's Titan Master
• Parsec (Light Speed) is Nautica's Titan Master
• Professor Go (Manipulate Cosmic Matter) is Metalhawk's Titan Master
• Fathom (Armor Crush) is Tidal Wave's Titan Master

We do know:

• There is no Titans Return labeling on the packaging or instructions for Shreddicus Maximus and Primitive Skateboarding Optimus Prime but Shreddicus Maximus is labeled as a Titan Master figure. Shreddicus Maximus (Red Gnar) does appear on the Trypticon cereal box checklist.
• There is no Titans Return labeling on the packaging or instructions for Transformers Tribute Orion Pax but Orion Pax's head is labeled as a Titan Master figure.
• The Trypticon cereal box mentions Dynamus, Fengul, Ginrai, Parsec, Professor Go, Fathom, and Refractor as Titan Masters that have not yet officially been linked (in packaging, instructions, or other marketing material) to other Titans Return figures.
• The Trypticon cereal box does not mention Cogman as a Titan Master figure.
• The Trypticon cereal box erroneously placed Blunderbuss and Overboard in incorrect faction lists.

Everything you said is correct.

pity these only remain in digibash form