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Kurona wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:That makes a good bit of sense. I'd be the opposite if this blurr, sentinel, galvatron, astrotrain and scourge had fixed heads I'd buy them. But because they don't I won't. I don't really get the appeal of headmasters at all but to each their own.

But sentinel's essentially a new character, so whats wrong here?

No he's not. If anything sentinel prime is the iron man of transformers not a headmaster.

Not... really. Sentinel Prime is one of those weird characters that never has a very well-defined place, set of morals or what sort of guy he was. Optimus you can expect him to be an Autobot leader who stands up for freedom and justice; Starscream you can expect to be a devious Decepticon in a high position with great flight prowess and designs on betraying Megatron... but Sentinel? In his three main appearances - Animated, IDW and Dark of the Moon - he's seemed completely different in each one. They share some aspects but there's no one version of the guy you can point to and say "That's the definite sentinel". All we can really expect is that he's a Prime who is not quite as good as Optimus as upholding the grandiose and nobility that rank grants, yet somehow ends up with a great reputation. And details of even those aspects always seem to vary. So... yeah. Making him a Headmaster? Not really farfetched, especially when G1 Sentinel has never had an official toy before.

Plus he's never had a definitive toy nor a definitive character, so, yes, he's a new character that happens to look a little like idw sentinel, as for the g1 version, I don't think he was even named in the show, he was a complete throw away character.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Kurona wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:That makes a good bit of sense. I'd be the opposite if this blurr, sentinel, galvatron, astrotrain and scourge had fixed heads I'd buy them. But because they don't I won't. I don't really get the appeal of headmasters at all but to each their own.

But sentinel's essentially a new character, so whats wrong here?

No he's not. If anything sentinel prime is the iron man of transformers not a headmaster.

Not... really. Sentinel Prime is one of those weird characters that never has a very well-defined place, set of morals or what sort of guy he was. Optimus you can expect him to be an Autobot leader who stands up for freedom and justice; Starscream you can expect to be a devious Decepticon in a high position with great flight prowess and designs on betraying Megatron... but Sentinel? In his three main appearances - Animated, IDW and Dark of the Moon - he's seemed completely different in each one. They share some aspects but there's no one version of the guy you can point to and say "That's the definite sentinel". All we can really expect is that he's a Prime who is not quite as good as Optimus as upholding the grandiose and nobility that rank grants, yet somehow ends up with a great reputation. And details of even those aspects always seem to vary. So... yeah. Making him a Headmaster? Not really farfetched, especially when G1 Sentinel has never had an official toy before.

Plus he's never had a definitive toy nor a definitive character, so, yes, he's a new character that happens to look a little like idw sentinel, as for the g1 version, I don't think he was even named in the show, he was a complete throw away character.

He was named in the UK comics, and made an appearance there (a bit of a dying one..), but otherwise you're right.

Also, yay, first post away from TFW! (a bit off topic so I apologize)

StarFireMk4 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Kurona wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:That makes a good bit of sense. I'd be the opposite if this blurr, sentinel, galvatron, astrotrain and scourge had fixed heads I'd buy them. But because they don't I won't. I don't really get the appeal of headmasters at all but to each their own.

But sentinel's essentially a new character, so whats wrong here?

No he's not. If anything sentinel prime is the iron man of transformers not a headmaster.

Not... really. Sentinel Prime is one of those weird characters that never has a very well-defined place, set of morals or what sort of guy he was. Optimus you can expect him to be an Autobot leader who stands up for freedom and justice; Starscream you can expect to be a devious Decepticon in a high position with great flight prowess and designs on betraying Megatron... but Sentinel? In his three main appearances - Animated, IDW and Dark of the Moon - he's seemed completely different in each one. They share some aspects but there's no one version of the guy you can point to and say "That's the definite sentinel". All we can really expect is that he's a Prime who is not quite as good as Optimus as upholding the grandiose and nobility that rank grants, yet somehow ends up with a great reputation. And details of even those aspects always seem to vary. So... yeah. Making him a Headmaster? Not really farfetched, especially when G1 Sentinel has never had an official toy before.

Plus he's never had a definitive toy nor a definitive character, so, yes, he's a new character that happens to look a little like idw sentinel, as for the g1 version, I don't think he was even named in the show, he was a complete throw away character.

He was named in the UK comics, and made an appearance there (a bit of a dying one..), but otherwise you're right.

Also, yay, first post away from TFW! (a bit off topic so I apologize)

Welcome to our boards, and you're spot on, he has had nothing defining him, or a defining toy, so this is nothing but another interpretation of him.

I see we're back to this argument again. Changing characters into headmasters is only a big deal if you let it be one. For me, it's no bother folding these into my head canon. If you didn't like the look of them on basis of decos etc; then that's fair enough but to argue something as silly as this, it seems pointless.

Prowl4 wrote:

kurthy wrote:

Kurona wrote:Because bad posing aside these look absolutely fine to me and I wouldn't have known they were Headmasters unless pointed out to me.

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This is what I love about this line. While I'm only planning on getting the legends and titan masters from TR (I'm going TT for the remainder of the line), they all look fragging awesome! The heads look much better than the originals, and the originals weren't that bad unless you had a really loose one.


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I really couldn't care less if they add the feature to guys/gals that didn't have it previously. I'm going to get an amazing looking Blurr and Galvatron with actual articulation out of the deal. I not beholden to a lack of gimmicks just because the original didn't, otherwise I'd be throwing out way more than half of the toys in existence. Adding new features to old characters, plus creating new ones with that feature are part of the sell of transformers. Otherwise, everyone should hate the orignal PMOP because OP's original toy didn't have the PM feature. Same thing with Blurr, Kup, Cyclonus, Scourge, and Hot Rod. And let's just throw out all of action masters, a few pretenders, a lot of G2, machine wars, transmetals, and 75% of the unicron trilogy while we're at it. Characters change and evolve over time, otherwise the story of Dinobot wouldn't make sense. I understand not wanting to buy a toy because you just don't like it, but some people trotting out the idea that the original didn't have it, so they won't buy it makes me wonder why the would buy any updates of toys or even collect toys at all.
Maybe we should throw out articulation too since most of the original toys didn't have it.
End rant.

And I might get both the TT Hardhead and TR Hardhead because he was the only one I had the G1 version so that one can go on my desk at work along with my G2 Superion and Menasor.

Changing a character from a non headmaster to a headmaster is a massive change fundamentally to the character. Updating vehicle modes etc is fine. You seem to be missing the point. I'm surprised at how people like and defend characters that have no right to be altered in such an incredibly drastic way. Maybe the vitriol only comes when your name is Michael bay lol.

I don't have a problem with the movie verse other than the horrendous writing (almost g1 cartoon level bad) and I didn't care for a lot of the cgi designs because I like a little smoothness rather than random things sticking out. Those are my personal biases against them. I don't like most of the toys because they're fiddly at estate and I hate the movie head designs. I'm not arguing that Bay and Hasbro had no right do that because it changed the characters too much.

So I'm going to chime in here.

In the last few years it became apparent to me that I could follow in the steps of others and get a "Neo-G1" collection going. I wasn't planning on it, but once Combiner Wars hit the market it became apparent that I could do this.

So I already have a number of characters from the CHUG lines filling out the ranks, hence my lack of desire/need to buy any of the CW Autobot cars.

But along comes Titans Return and I'm hit with a problem.

Galvatron.

I have a modern Galvatron. Not many people like him, he's not a great figure I'll admit. Plus he turns into a tank. So ... not exactly G1-ish.

But then we have TR Galvatron, who is a great modern take on a classic figure except for one small detail.

His head detaches and becomes its own little bot.

That ... is not very G1-ish for the character. Especially when also in the line we're getting characters who, back in the day, had detachable transforming heads.

Now I can approach this a number of ways.

1 - Not give a **** and get the **** over it.
2 - Avoid it like an Alpha Bravo fanboy avoids the reality that Alpha Bravo is nothing special.
3 - Get him, keep him in robot mode (as my collection is anyway) but embrace the change and occasionally have fun transforming both big bot and little bot.

At this stage I'm leaning towards option 3.

Astrotrain however is a different matter as that ain't a damn train. Plus I like his CHUG version better.

Burn wrote:So I'm going to chime in here.

In the last few years it became apparent to me that I could follow in the steps of others and get a "Neo-G1" collection going. I wasn't planning on it, but once Combiner Wars hit the market it became apparent that I could do this.

So I already have a number of characters from the CHUG lines filling out the ranks, hence my lack of desire/need to buy any of the CW Autobot cars.

But along comes Titans Return and I'm hit with a problem.

Galvatron.

I have a modern Galvatron. Not many people like him, he's not a great figure I'll admit. Plus he turns into a tank. So ... not exactly G1-ish.

But then we have TR Galvatron, who is a great modern take on a classic figure except for one small detail.

His head detaches and becomes its own little bot.

That ... is not very G1-ish for the character. Especially when also in the line we're getting characters who, back in the day, had detachable transforming heads.

Now I can approach this a number of ways.

1 - Not give a SHIZZLESNIT and get the **** over it.
2 - Avoid it like an Alpha Bravo fanboy avoids the reality that Alpha Bravo is nothing special.
3 - Get him, keep him in robot mode (as my collection is anyway) but embrace the change and occasionally have fun transforming both big bot and little bot.

At this stage I'm leaning towards option 3.

Astrotrain however is a different matter as that ain't a damn train. Plus I like his CHUG version better.

Option 4 - Superglue his head on.
Option 5 - How dare you speak that way about Alpha Bravo!

Burn wrote:Astrotrain however is a different matter as that ain't a damn train. Plus I like his CHUG version better.

I've got to agree with this. I don't really know what that thing is that he splits into, which is sad. When your name includes train...I wouldn't have had a problem if he had turned into something other than a shuttle and a train, but I really can't tell what it is, which is a disappointment.

Burn wrote:So I'm going to chime in here.

In the last few years it became apparent to me that I could follow in the steps of others and get a "Neo-G1" collection going. I wasn't planning on it, but once Combiner Wars hit the market it became apparent that I could do this.

So I already have a number of characters from the CHUG lines filling out the ranks, hence my lack of desire/need to buy any of the CW Autobot cars.

But along comes Titans Return and I'm hit with a problem.

Galvatron.

I have a modern Galvatron. Not many people like him, he's not a great figure I'll admit. Plus he turns into a tank. So ... not exactly G1-ish.

But then we have TR Galvatron, who is a great modern take on a classic figure except for one small detail.

His head detaches and becomes its own little bot.

That ... is not very G1-ish for the character. Especially when also in the line we're getting characters who, back in the day, had detachable transforming heads.

Now I can approach this a number of ways.

1 - Not give a SHIZZLESNIT and get the **** over it.
2 - Avoid it like an Alpha Bravo fanboy avoids the reality that Alpha Bravo is nothing special.
3 - Get him, keep him in robot mode (as my collection is anyway) but embrace the change and occasionally have fun transforming both big bot and little bot.

At this stage I'm leaning towards option 3.

Astrotrain however is a different matter as that ain't a damn train. Plus I like his CHUG version better.

Most of the problem I have with Galvatron is that stupid head-crest. If it was completely attached to the Titan Master, then I would like it a lot more. Still, I'm almost certain that I'll end up getting him to go with CW Cyclonus.

kurthy wrote:

Burn wrote:Astrotrain however is a different matter as that ain't a damn train. Plus I like his CHUG version better.

I've got to agree with this. I don't really know what that thing is that he splits into, which is sad. When your name includes train...I wouldn't have had a problem if he had turned into something other than a shuttle and a train, but I really can't tell what it is, which is a disappointment.

All I'll do is pretend it's that Fall of Cybertron style Astrotrain that they were going to do before they decided to do Generations Blitzwing, and call his "train mode" a armored driving brick of badassness; or also known as a "Cybertronian train".

I just noticed how Fort Max's base mode looks like he's being violated.



Maybe it's a TF mating ritual.

SillySpringer wrote:I just noticed how Fort Max's base mode looks like he's being violated.



Maybe it's a TF mating ritual.

Nice job Silly! Now I can't unsee it!

Autobot N wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:I just noticed how Fort Max's base mode looks like he's being violated.

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Maybe it's a TF mating ritual.

Nice job Silly! Now I can't unsee it!

I am terribly sorry. I hope this figure can be configured in a better base mode than this hideous monstrosity. Until then, it's either weird mating ritual, or the headless upside-down Superman pose with something strange coming out of his abdominal region.

SillySpringer wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:I just noticed how Fort Max's base mode looks like he's being violated.

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Maybe it's a TF mating ritual.

Nice job Silly! Now I can't unsee it!

I am terribly sorry. I hope this figure can be configured in a better base mode than this hideous monstrosity. Until then, it's either weird mating ritual, or the headless upside-down Superman pose with something strange coming out of his abdominal region.

Hey! Don't be hating on the Battleship Maximus!

I too was not very keen on the traditionally "non-Headmaster" characters from G1 getting this new "Titammaster" gimmick for the Titans Return line. I was going to pass on all such updates, especially since we already have Classics versions of those characters, but DAMNIT, they look so GOOD (especially the Takara versions in most cases). That alone has softened me on the "Headmaster problem," but it also made me realize that the whole issues really is just in the head, so to speak.

If it makes it easier, you don't have to believe that Galvatron's Titanmaster is "Nebulon." It's obviously Megatron, so just tell yourself that. Make it a literal representation of Galvatron still partly being Megatron, like in the G1 cartoon. Maybe it's Megatron reasserting his original personality over that "brainwashing" that Unicron attempted, but he's keeping the upgraded body because it's even more powerful than he ever was before?

Along the same lines, you could just consider Fracas to be what remains of Thundercracker when he was reformatted into Scourge. Or, it IS Fracas, and after "The Rebirth," he decided the Headmaster technology wasn't so squicky, so he opted to have his Targetmaster become a Headmaster instead.

You could make a similar case for Blurr. Maybe he and Haywire figured they could be more effective as a Headmaster pair instead of just using Haywire as a fancy gun. Or, go the route of the later Japanese G1 series and consider the Titanmaster to BE Blurr proper, with his larger body being the Transtector he controls. Maybe Blurr wanted the thrill of driving/piloting a vehicle himself, and what better vehicle to drive than his own body? Maybe it was a requirement for some intergalactic race? No sentient cars allowed!

Sentinel Prime had so little characterization in the original cartoon and comic book, that I have no problem with him being a Headmaster now, especially since this Titans Return version is his "resurrected" form. Who's to say he didn't want in on the Titanmaster action after coming back from the dead? In the IDW stories, he didn't seem to shy away from augmenting himself to get the job done in battle (though he did kinda suck at that anyway).

(Edited to correct several spelling and grammatical errors.)

Prowl4 wrote:Changing a character from a non headmaster to a headmaster is a massive change fundamentally to the character. Updating vehicle modes etc is fine. You seem to be missing the point. I'm surprised at how people like and defend characters that have no right to be altered in such an incredibly drastic way. Maybe the vitriol only comes when your name is Michael bay lol.

Were you upset when 1988 made a Powermaster toy for the previously non-Powermaster character Optimus Prime, or made Classic Pretender toys for the previously non-Pretender characters Bumblebee, Jazz, Grimlock, and Starscream?

Sabrblade wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:Changing a character from a non headmaster to a headmaster is a massive change fundamentally to the character. Updating vehicle modes etc is fine. You seem to be missing the point. I'm surprised at how people like and defend characters that have no right to be altered in such an incredibly drastic way. Maybe the vitriol only comes when your name is Michael bay lol.

Were you upset when 1988 made a Powermaster toy for the previously non-Powermaster character Optimus Prime, or made Classic Pretender toys for the previously non-Pretender characters Bumblebee, Jazz, Grimlock, and Starscream?

Yeah pretty much, lol. However I am going to work Galvatron into my headcanon as Megatron as the headmaster. Dont get me wrong though, I love the original headmasters. They are one of my fav TF groups, but making some previously non-headmasters headmasters is not the way I wanted it to go.

I just can't wait to swap heads!

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:I just can't wait to swap heads!

That's what she said!

Hasbro's official spin for this seems to be that the titan masters are actually normal-sized transformers and the bodies are actually titans, as big as Metroplex and them, but in order to present a diverse and affordable toyline they're the same size as regular deluxes, voyagers, etc.
Of course, Hasbro's packaging fiction and the representations of the toys in official fiction (TV shows, comics, etc) tend to be different, like the Beast Wars characters being G1 characters adopting beastial alt modes, but nonetheless, this is evidently Hasbro's intent.

Been wanting to jump in on this....

For starters... is there ANY conformation of whether Fort Max's legs split like Metroplex's (repair bays?)

Also all these base modes have me really wanting micro-masters to return. Kind of kicking myself for not getting all the old movie-verse... what were they... minicons.... legends???? I kinda wish they would do a re-release of some of those rebranded as micromasters.

As for to ZOMG they're head/titan masters now... meh... it's a play feature use, don't use it.

As for Astrotrain, does anyone else get the feeling there is gonna be an Omega Supreme (Energon) repaint with a yellow Ark (autobot shuttle) I'd be down for that.

Also wondering if we'll get an Obsidian from Highbrow

SpikeyTigertron wrote:

Been wanting to jump in on this....

For starters... is there ANY conformation of whether Fort Max's legs split like Metroplex's (repair bays?)

Also all these base modes have me really wanting micro-masters to return. Kind of kicking myself for not getting all the old movie-verse... what were they... minicons.... legends???? I kinda wish they would do a re-release of some of those rebranded as micromasters.

As for to ZOMG they're head/titan masters now... meh... it's a play feature use, don't use it.

As for Astrotrain, does anyone else get the feeling there is gonna be an Omega Supreme (Energon) repaint with a yellow Ark (autobot shuttle) I'd be down for that.

Also wondering if we'll get an Obsidian from Highbrow

i believe so (legs opening up as repair bays)

as for that battlestation/spaceship mode....i think in one of the pics in one of the above posts....his legs are in the wrong position! coz they're supposed to be slid apart instead of slid closed, so that they're sort of in line with the arms

Kurona wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:I wouldn't call big ol' block heads with limbs hanging out of the back "easy to ignore".

Really?








Because bad posing aside these look absolutely fine to me and I wouldn't have known they were Headmasters unless pointed out to me.

I have to agree, they're not nearly as obvious as the power-masters were. Though, I'm a bit bummed the feet aren't independently cut (even if they shared the same pin). Any word and how much paint Hasbro is gonna put on these compared to Takara?

Also... that SDCC Sentinel is giving me Fireguts Ginrai flashbacks. I'd buy the heck out of a Nucleon Quest (nemesis) or Fireguts (orange) Power(titan) master Prime

SpikeyTigertron wrote:Any word and how much paint Hasbro is gonna put on these compared to Takara?

The same amount or maybe a little more but applied differently, as usual. There's more discussion of the Takara versions in the Legends thread, since that's the banner Takara's releasing them under.

SpikeyTigertron wrote:

Been wanting to jump in on this....

For starters... is there ANY conformation of whether Fort Max's legs split like Metroplex's (repair bays?)

Also all these base modes have me really wanting micro-masters to return. Kind of kicking myself for not getting all the old movie-verse... what were they... minicons.... legends???? I kinda wish they would do a re-release of some of those rebranded as micromasters.

As for to ZOMG they're head/titan masters now... meh... it's a play feature use, don't use it.

As for Astrotrain, does anyone else get the feeling there is gonna be an Omega Supreme (Energon) repaint with a yellow Ark (autobot shuttle) I'd be down for that.

Also wondering if we'll get an Obsidian from Highbrow

Not sure on the energon omega supreme redeco for Sentinel/AstroTrain. The colour scheme that os had in energon is really iconic for its split style (and as a fan of the Brave anime franchise, it's symmetrical docking transformation) but it's not one that would work in the shuttle mode as the legs would have to be the same colour to pull off the ark homage, which in turn would invalidate the energon homage as os legs were completely different colours.

Animated Omega Supreme on the other hand...that could work. Only problem being that he's not in the right style.

Not to worry though 2018 will give us a proper sized Omega Supreme *


*- this is what I believe based off titan class release patterns and the recent fan poll.

Oh, good point there Zerowolf. The "train" mode looks so similar though. But without the carrier half... couldn't really pull the split color.

Speak of Animated Omega... that'd be SOO BOSS.