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D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:I wonder how IDW is going to weave the headmaster gimmick into their storyline? Galvatron for instance is not Megatron unlike the G1 anime. So somewhere along the way, both entities will merge?

With a few tiny exceptions, I just can't see how this will be storied in. Hardhead is dead, Skullkruncher is a comedian, all the regular headmasters are on the lost light and there is no intent to do another crossover in the near future. IDK man

Not to mention Galvatron's disdain for Headmasters and Combiners in general and (I'm assuming) Sentinel Prime's apparent death at the hands of Megatron in Megatron: Origin.

what? no discussion on the recent pics of Soundwave? obviously a Blaster repaint/retool.

Stuartmaximus wrote:what? no discussion on the recent pics of Soundwave? obviously a Blaster repaint/retool.

You're kidding right? Try checking out the last 3-4 pages in the thread

Mindmaster wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:I wonder how IDW is going to weave the headmaster gimmick into their storyline? Galvatron for instance is not Megatron unlike the G1 anime. So somewhere along the way, both entities will merge?

With a few tiny exceptions, I just can't see how this will be storied in. Hardhead is dead, Skullkruncher is a comedian, all the regular headmasters are on the lost light and there is no intent to do another crossover in the near future. IDK man

Not to mention Galvatron's disdain for Headmasters and Combiners in general and (I'm assuming) Sentinel Prime's apparent death at the hands of Megatron in Megatron: Origin.

Activate the retconing/time-travel/alternate-universe-creating plot device!

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

carytheone wrote:

Cobotron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I shed one manly tear knowing I have lost my good friend Cobotron.

NOPE! Not getting rid of me that easy Senor Poopy Pants!

I just caught up on the CW and TR threads and I think Roberta88 is the new HellScream...

Oh hiya buddy, didn't see ya there

Guess I'll just need to up my game

Simmer down there Screamer. don't need you burning down the site

It's okay, I still have this in my pocket to give me the advantage

I'm seeing smoke on my screen! will you stop burning down the house!! Goodnessssss

(How I feel about Thunderhoofs lackluster arm joints)

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Stuartmaximus wrote:what? no discussion on the recent pics of Soundwave? obviously a Blaster repaint/retool.

You're kidding right? Try checking out the last 3-4 pages in the thread

ah yeah, sorry, thanks

looks like a prototype

mataleben wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:
Soundwave takes TWO AA batteries. One will not do. He needs his shoulder canon AND his hand-held canon/harpoon launcher thingy.

You can live without a gun we already wen't though it with Foc Soundwave and his repaint,




If you can't use the masterpeice Soundwave gun if you have it.

There's no way the masterpiece gun will fit. This new Soundwave seems to have a 5mm circular gun handle. The masterpiece has a rectangular handle. That's really not a viable option for replacement.

That and, you know, MP Soundwave is already kind of using it, so...

Randomus wrote:I think it ultimately comes down to proportions and mass. Hear me out:

The G1-accurate cassette deck is basically all torso. The robot mode of the classic toy is fine for the time, but if a figure came out with those proportions in 2016, so many tables would get flipped that the combined force would slow the Earth's rotation.

If Soundwave is to have limbs properly sized to his torso, he either needs large speakers on the sides (this and Titanium) or the back of a vehicle (WFC/FoC).

I guess what I'm trying to say is, we either give up a proper robot or a proper alt-mode (or we get MP-level complexity and pay for it accordingly).

Maybe you're right. It also doesn't help that the new "cassettes" are larger than G1 cassettes and that this has an (unnecessary, IMO) base mode.

Well, WfC will do for SW in my collection until something better comes along. I really thought the 3rd party guys would turn one of their Blasters into SW, but it never happened.

As for the later conversation about how the fiction will handle this how about .... it won't? Brainstorm got a Headmaster toy without being a Headmaster in the comics. And we have tons of combiners (including one made from Cyclonus) that have no bearing on the comics. It's very possible we'll see a character or two as proper toyetic Headmasters with the rest of drawn to resemble them, but without the Headmaster gimmick.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:I wonder how IDW is going to weave the headmaster gimmick into their storyline? Galvatron for instance is not Megatron unlike the G1 anime. So somewhere along the way, both entities will merge?

With a few tiny exceptions, I just can't see how this will be storied in. Hardhead is dead, Skullkruncher is a comedian, all the regular headmasters are on the lost light and there is no intent to do another crossover in the near future. IDK man

Not to mention Galvatron's disdain for Headmasters and Combiners in general and (I'm assuming) Sentinel Prime's apparent death at the hands of Megatron in Megatron: Origin.

Activate the retconing/time-travel/alternate-universe-creating plot device!

Don't forget that newsstory on how Sentinel is coming back! and he was never truly showed to have died!

READ ME!!!!

Hellscream9999 wrote:
I kind of disagree, you can't make excuses for hasbro's cheapness, that'll only further enable them to continue unabated

Cheap?


Dude it's a plastic gun that only die heard fans are going to want/miss I don't particularly care.



I would be more alarmed if he did not have his shoulder cannon.


Let's be grateful a Soundwave that turns into a music device is being made at all.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:
I kind of disagree, you can't make excuses for hasbro's cheapness, that'll only further enable them to continue unabated

Cheap?


Dude it's a plastic gun that only die heard fans are going to want/miss I don't particularly care.



I would be more alarmed if he did not have his shoulder cannon.


Let's be grateful a Soundwave that turns into a music device is being made at all.

meh, I'd rather have one as an attack satellite or cybertronian truck, but he does look nice

so hold on? Blaster & Soundwave are LEADER CLASS figures? so why were we getting the impression that Blaster was going to be a Voyager Class sized figure? hell....i even asked the class size question back then when we first got those Blaster images....i did speculate back then that Blaster may be Leader Class! but someone at the time replied by saying that it was going to be a Voyager sized figure!

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:I wonder how IDW is going to weave the headmaster gimmick into their storyline? Galvatron for instance is not Megatron unlike the G1 anime. So somewhere along the way, both entities will merge?

With a few tiny exceptions, I just can't see how this will be storied in. Hardhead is dead, Skullkruncher is a comedian, all the regular headmasters are on the lost light and there is no intent to do another crossover in the near future. IDK man

Not to mention Galvatron's disdain for Headmasters and Combiners in general and (I'm assuming) Sentinel Prime's apparent death at the hands of Megatron in Megatron: Origin.

Activate the retconing/time-travel/alternate-universe-creating plot device!

If TT could do a great Grand Galvatron backstory here's hoping there's one to fit the Titans Return line..........hopefully?

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:I wonder how IDW is going to weave the headmaster gimmick into their storyline? Galvatron for instance is not Megatron unlike the G1 anime. So somewhere along the way, both entities will merge?

With a few tiny exceptions, I just can't see how this will be storied in. Hardhead is dead, Skullkruncher is a comedian, all the regular headmasters are on the lost light and there is no intent to do another crossover in the near future. IDK man

Not to mention Galvatron's disdain for Headmasters and Combiners in general and (I'm assuming) Sentinel Prime's apparent death at the hands of Megatron in Megatron: Origin.

Activate the retconing/time-travel/alternate-universe-creating plot device!

Don't forget that newsstory on how Sentinel is coming back! and he was never truly showed to have died!

READ ME!!!!

SP was probably in the CR chambers ala life support in human terms. And Ratchet somehow forgot(?). Just like Tailgate was forgotten under debris for millions of years?

Stuartmaximus wrote:so hold on? Blaster & Soundwave are LEADER CLASS figures? so why were we getting the impression that Blaster was going to be a Voyager Class sized figure? hell....i even asked the class size question back then when we first got those Blaster images....i did speculate back then that Blaster may be Leader Class! but someone at the time replied by saying that it was going to be a Voyager sized figure!

You got some things mixed up here. Here's the complete list of the Titans Return line, per size class:

Titan Masters Class
Crashbash (Squeezeplay)
Loudmouth (Siren)
Nightbeat
Terri-Bull (Horri-Bull)

Legends Class
Ravage
Rewind
Autobot Stripes

Deluxe Class
Hardhead with Furos (Duros)
Skullsmasher (Skullcruncher) with Grax
Blurr with ???

Voyager Class
Galvatron with Nucleon
Sentinel Prime with Autobot Infinitus

Leader Class
Autobot Blaster with Twincast
Powermaster Optimus Prime with Autobot Apex
Soundwave with Soundblaster

Titan Class
Fortress Maximus
Trypticon (Fan-Vote)

Voyagers and Leaders have helmets that go over the Titan Master heads.

fenrir72 wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:I wonder how IDW is going to weave the headmaster gimmick into their storyline? Galvatron for instance is not Megatron unlike the G1 anime. So somewhere along the way, both entities will merge?

With a few tiny exceptions, I just can't see how this will be storied in. Hardhead is dead, Skullkruncher is a comedian, all the regular headmasters are on the lost light and there is no intent to do another crossover in the near future. IDK man

Not to mention Galvatron's disdain for Headmasters and Combiners in general and (I'm assuming) Sentinel Prime's apparent death at the hands of Megatron in Megatron: Origin.

Activate the retconing/time-travel/alternate-universe-creating plot device!

Don't forget that newsstory on how Sentinel is coming back! and he was never truly showed to have died!

READ ME!!!!

SP was probably in the CR chambers ala life support in human terms. And Ratchet somehow forgot(?). Just like Tailgate was forgotten under debris for millions of years?

Or it was like they buried him in a tomb but he somehow comes back to life thanks to a little headmaster dude!

Wolfman Jake wrote:
Red visor, for one. The knees caps should be silver, as well as the insides of his lower legs, his chest needs some gold line detailing on either side of the tape door, the shoulder cannon desperately needs red detailing on the missile pods, and maybe put some silver on the small triangle in the middle of his helmet crest like on the MP, just to bring out some of the mold detailing and break up the predominant blue on the top of his head. Finally, make the blue plastic a few shades darker. Soundwave is DARK blue.

So what your saying is if a toy doesn't have fifteen dozen different paint apps devoted solely to minutiae and unimportant (insides of the lower legs? Not even Takara paints those in), than it's horrible? II mean, I like paint apps as much as the next dude, but that list is kinda stretching a little. Plus, given the fact that this is intended to be a brand new form for Soundwave, his visor doesn't have to be red.

RiddlerJ wrote:Eyes are too wide. Looks like he caught Starscream undressing or something.

So agree, just need the little black eyeballs and eyebrows.

Microraptor wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:
Red visor, for one. The knees caps should be silver, as well as the insides of his lower legs, his chest needs some gold line detailing on either side of the tape door, the shoulder cannon desperately needs red detailing on the missile pods, and maybe put some silver on the small triangle in the middle of his helmet crest like on the MP, just to bring out some of the mold detailing and break up the predominant blue on the top of his head. Finally, make the blue plastic a few shades darker. Soundwave is DARK blue.

So what your saying is if a toy doesn't have fifteen dozen different paint apps devoted solely to minutiae and unimportant (insides of the lower legs? Not even Takara paints those in), than it's horrible? II mean, I like paint apps as much as the next dude, but that list is kinda stretching a little. Plus, given the fact that this is intended to be a brand new form for Soundwave, his visor doesn't have to be red.

Nope, but if the mold were better, the lack of paint apps (and the lack of a proper gun) would be more forgivable. You know that saying about lipstick on a pig? Well, sometimes you CAN put enough make-up on a pig to make me bite. The mold will still be flawed, but great paint apps will ease that problem quite a bit for me.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Voyagers and Leaders have helmets that go over the Titan Master heads.

I wonder if Takara could simply "fill in" those helmets with proper heads and do away with the Headmaster gimmick for the Voyagers and Leaders in their equivalent line?

He looks fine - not £50.00 fine - but maybe £25.00 fine. so I'll wait for a sale - but I won't be buy a figure for that much money with that amount of gaps in it again and likely no other Decepticon bases to plug it on too either.

But he's not insultingly bad - he does look like Soundwave more or less and the little bit of missing paint isn't hugely noticeable except from the side.

I do always worry for the unfortunate Parents paying a premium and not lasting a day on them though when they so obviously cut corners with the solidity of the plastic due to the gapping.

But he is better than Sentinel by rather a lot and possibly Galvatron as well. I'm not offended by the player alt mode. Lets be honest here if it wasn't for the fact these things are getting Data Pads they'd be a curiosity at best to me... where as with them I can say I will get it sometime - I just shall not be paying £50.00 for it is all.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

mataleben wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:
Soundwave takes TWO AA batteries. One will not do. He needs his shoulder canon AND his hand-held canon/harpoon launcher thingy.

You can live without a gun we already wen't though it with Foc Soundwave and his repaint,




If you can't use the masterpeice Soundwave gun if you have it.

There's no way the masterpiece gun will fit. This new Soundwave seems to have a 5mm circular gun handle. The masterpiece has a rectangular handle. That's really not a viable option for replacement.

That and, you know, MP Soundwave is already kind of using it, so...

Well of course, that too. I'm just saying even if you somehow got an extra one it would'nt work at all without shaving the handle down and even then, it probably would'nt fit that well, so it's not really a good replacement for his new gun.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Stuartmaximus wrote:so hold on? Blaster & Soundwave are LEADER CLASS figures? so why were we getting the impression that Blaster was going to be a Voyager Class sized figure? hell....i even asked the class size question back then when we first got those Blaster images....i did speculate back then that Blaster may be Leader Class! but someone at the time replied by saying that it was going to be a Voyager sized figure!

You got some things mixed up here. Here's the complete list of the Titans Return line, per size class:

Titan Masters Class
Crashbash (Squeezeplay)
Loudmouth (Siren)
Nightbeat
Terri-Bull (Horri-Bull)

Legends Class
Ravage
Rewind
Autobot Stripes

Deluxe Class
Hardhead with Furos (Duros)
Skullsmasher (Skullcruncher) with Grax
Blurr with ???

Voyager Class
Galvatron with Nucleon
Sentinel Prime with Autobot Infinitus

Leader Class
Autobot Blaster with Twincast
Powermaster Optimus Prime with Autobot Apex
Soundwave with Soundblaster

Titan Class
Fortress Maximus
Trypticon (Fan-Vote)

Voyagers and Leaders have helmets that go over the Titan Master heads.

ok thanks but it was a while back......& i'm sure i remember someone replying at the time.....that they thought Blaster is gonna be Voyager Class. but glad he's Leader Class! coz of the battlestation mode

Randomus wrote:
I guess what I'm trying to say is, we either give up a proper robot or a proper alt-mode (or we get MP-level complexity and pay for it accordingly).

Or we could just get one similar to his G1 self in terms of transformation but with an increase in articulation. They seem to be doing that with Hardhead, Skullsmasher (I forget what they are calling him now) and Blaster. Actually, this toy would have been pretty good if his legs were smaller. Then the sides could be smaller than the chest area and be more different than Blaster in alt mode, being a giant tape deck rather than a giant ghetto blaster (wait, do you need circular speakers to be a ghetto blaster?). Though he wouldnt be as good a base (then again, they could simply have either telescoping or layered panels that would fold out to make some ramps).

Burn wrote:Will you news crew and the TR-H8R stop driving the thread off topic!
#BurnsAHyprocite

Fixed that for you!

fenrir72 wrote:I wonder how IDW is going to weave the headmaster gimmick into their storyline? Galvatron for instance is not Megatron unlike the G1 anime. So somewhere along the way, both entities will merge?

To be honest, I hope they never address it. Having to work with the toys really dates the comics and makes the storytelling suffer. I am reading IDW Robots in Disguise and I am at Dark Cybertron now and I cannot stand all the body changing for the sole purpose of wanting to throw in the toys for no reason. It just makes me go "oh yeah, they did do another bumblebee that year" and "well I guess this is how they cram in the tankor toy". It doesnt add anything and just makes me wish I could skip this giant toy commercial and just read the rest of MTMTE. I mean those in the know of the comics know the toys are out there and if they dont, its not like the comics tell you "be sure to buy this toy of starscream's new body!" anyways. Someone who doesnt know the toys exist would just be wondering why they suddenly changed bodies again or (as is being asked right now) why both Galvatron and Chromedome suddenly removed their heads for a nebulon standoff.

The comics, like the films, have become their own storytelling mediums now, not relying on toy sales to exist, so it would be fun if they just do their own thing.

fenrir72 wrote:TT is going to fix SW's weapon for the JP release.

We dont know that. Not even the transmissions podcast

Wolfman Jake wrote:
That and, you know, MP Soundwave is already kind of using it, so...

Wolfman Jake wrote:
Nope, but if the mold were better, the lack of paint apps (and the lack of a proper gun) would be more forgivable. You know that saying about lipstick on a pig? Well, sometimes you CAN put enough make-up on a pig to make me bite. The mold will still be flawed, but great paint apps will ease that problem quite a bit for me.

I have experienced this too and its true. I very much dislike that FOC Grimlock mold, but man were these two decos below to die for:





I am not crazy about the Windblade mold either, but Slipstream was just too gorgeous to pass up and it made me appreciate the mold:


Transformers Legends Slipstream Gallery

And while Seibertron's galleries are awesome, no pic can convey how glorious that deco looks in person with some light reflecting off it.

william-james88 wrote:

Randomus wrote:
I guess what I'm trying to say is, we either give up a proper robot or a proper alt-mode (or we get MP-level complexity and pay for it accordingly).

Or we could just get one similar to his G1 self in terms of transformation but with an increase in articulation. They seem to be doing that with Hardhead, Skullsmasher (I forget what they are calling him now) and Blaster. Actually, this toy would have been pretty good if his legs were smaller. Then the sides could be smaller than the chest area and be more different than Blaster in alt mode, being a giant tape deck rather than a giant ghetto blaster (wait, do you need circular speakers to be a ghetto blaster?). Though he wouldnt be as good a base (then again, they could simply have either telescoping or layered panels that would fold out to make some ramps).

Burn wrote:I'm seeing smoke on my screen! will you stop burning down the house!! Goodnessssss

Will you news crew and the TR-H8R stop driving the thread off topic!
#BurnsAHyprocite

Fixed that for you!

fenrir72 wrote:I wonder how IDW is going to weave the headmaster gimmick into their storyline? Galvatron for instance is not Megatron unlike the G1 anime. So somewhere along the way, both entities will merge?

To be honest, I hope they never address it. Having to work with the toys really dates the comics and makes the storytelling suffer. I am reading IDW Robots in Disguise and I am at Dark Cybertron now and I cannot stand all the body changing for the sole purpose of wanting to throw in the toys for no reason. It just makes me go "oh yeah, they did do another bumblebee that year" and "well I guess this is how they cram in the tankor toy". It doesnt add anything and just makes me wish I could skip this giant toy commercial and just read the rest of MTMTE. I mean those in the know of the comics know the toys are out there and if they dont, its not like the comics tell you "be sure to buy this toy of starscream's new body!" anyways. Someone who doesnt know the toys exist would just be wondering why they suddenly changed bodies again or (as is being asked right now) why both Galvatron and Chromedome suddenly removed their heads for a nebulon standoff.

The comics, like the films, have become their own storytelling mediums now, not relying on toy sales to exist, so it would be fun if they just do their own thing.

fenrir72 wrote:TT is going to fix SW's weapon for the JP release.

We dont know that. Not even the transmissions podcast

Wolfman Jake wrote:
That and, you know, MP Soundwave is already kind of using it, so...

Wolfman Jake wrote:
Nope, but if the mold were better, the lack of paint apps (and the lack of a proper gun) would be more forgivable. You know that saying about lipstick on a pig? Well, sometimes you CAN put enough make-up on a pig to make me bite. The mold will still be flawed, but great paint apps will ease that problem quite a bit for me.

I have experienced this too and its true. I very much dislike that FOC Grimlock mold, but man were these two decos below to die for:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5 ... SY355_.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/7 ... L1100_.jpg

I am not crazy about the Windblade mold either, but Slipstream was just too gorgeous to pass up and it made me appreciate the mold:


Transformers Legends Slipstream Gallery

And while Seibertron's galleries are awesome, no pic can convey how glorious that deco looks in person with some light reflecting off it.[/quote]

The comic is supposed to be one aspect of selling the figure. Not that I need them to buy TF figs I want. Just want to see how the writers will contort and suffer through the process of trying to plot a storyline to support the figures at hand or incoming figures I enjoy watching people suffer

Didn't Jetfire get a PR exposure in the comics using the Leader sculpt (though with SW, he had like those two wheels on his shins)?

TT IS sure to release a homage weapon for SW. If they did that for Superion (retool Sling),Defensor (Groove), Menasor (Wildrider) and Bruticus (Blastoff/Vortex). It has precedent already (maybe by 2017)