Randomhero wrote:Lore Keeper wrote:Have you ever felt insulted by a toy reveal? I didn't think it was possible, but that's how Smokescreen and Megatron are making me feel right now. The other reveals are, of course, awesome.
To be insulted by a toy says less about the toy and more about someone who says they’re insulted by it.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I'm pretty sure he will instead share a mold with Wheeljack (assuming it's not an academic distinction).Tuned Agent wrote:Cobotron wrote:Rtron wrote:I think the problem with Megatron and the Datsuns is not that they're getting released with g1-ish earthmodes in Earthrise, but rather, that their altmodes in Siege were too earh-like. They should have had more creative, less man-made looking altmodes in Siege.
This is pretty much how I'm feeling about it at the moment.
All of this, 100%.
Calling it right now: Sunstreaker will share a mold with the battlechargers.
The problem with trying to give the pre-movie G1 characters less man-made looking altmodes in SIEGE was that the cartoon artists never gave them unearthly robot modes, and so trying to reconcile that... Wheeljack and Bumblebee are the absolute worst offenders.
I will reiterate that I don't have a problem with Smokescreen (the only Datsun we've seen thus far, though we probably will get more), because the SIEGE version was an exclusive that is now harder to find and will probably get expensive. It's like Timelines Thundercracker, Thrust, and Dirge getting retail versions. And much like those, ER Smokescreen offers improvements on the Selects version. Better color layout and he has the spoiler. Although on the other hand, his front end is less Datsun-like...
Megatron, on the other hand, I do have a problem with. In fairness to him, he actually does look significantly different from the SIEGE figure in vehicle mode thanks to the turret changes and not being an H-tank. But he's still just as bland if not more so, has a more awkward melee weapon, and has a more cluttered look in robot mode. I think he'd be better off as G2 Megatron, RID Bludgeon, or just plain scrapped. I've already sent a letter of complaint to Hasbro to that effect, and I suggest those who are similarly disappointed send them letters of your own.
I want a Leader-class Megs that does for him what the ER Leader OP does for Optimus Prime.
Make him turn into something that has the same shape as the P38, but detailed to look like a vehicle (possibly upside-down). Correspondingly, turn the stock and silencer from the original toy into extensions for that vehicle. And retain their modular combining functions, since those go well with Earthrise's gimmicks.ZeroWolf wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I want a Leader-class Megs that does for him what the ER Leader OP does for Optimus Prime.
How would a leader Class megs work Given that his robot mode would have to be equal height to Prime and can't be a gun mode. What would the extra plastic be used for?
Submarine parts. Base bot is a torpedo, then a sub is built around it. Bonus points if the base bot is spring loaded.ZeroWolf wrote:How would a leader Class megs work Given that his robot mode would have to be equal height to Prime and can't be a gun mode. What would the extra plastic be used for?
ZeroWolf wrote:How would a leader Class megs work Given that his robot mode would have to be equal height to Prime and can't be a gun mode. What would the extra plastic be used for?
1. That's not what I was talking about, since that wouldn't be a Megatron equivalent to the Earthrise Leader Optimus.Sentinel_Primal wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:How would a leader Class megs work Given that his robot mode would have to be equal height to Prime and can't be a gun mode. What would the extra plastic be used for?
I think a leader Megatron could be a similar concept to Galaxy Upgrade Prime where it has a voyager Megatron that turns into a jet, and the extra parts he allow him to take on the appearance of Cybertron Megatron, and in vehicle mode the parts give him that "batmobile" mode.
Though I'm more inclined to believe that this theoretical Megatron would come in part 3, with a name like Unicronian Upgrade Megatron, or the more likely option of Galaxy Upgrade Megatron. Especially because Unicron should be coming around that time
Rtron wrote:I think the problem with Megatron and the Datsuns is not that they're getting released with g1-ish earthmodes in Earthrise, but rather, that their altmodes in Siege were too earh-like. They should have had more creative, less man-made looking altmodes in Siege. Baut they didn't, so now these new figures feel boring, when they're actually pretty cool looking and in line with the whole budget-masterpiece thing Earthrise seems to be shooting for. Rather, it was actually the Siege figures that were boring, taking into account the whole "cybertronian altmodes" concept it was supposed to represent.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I'm pretty sure he will instead share a mold with Wheeljack (assuming it's not an academic distinction).Tuned Agent wrote:Cobotron wrote:Rtron wrote:I think the problem with Megatron and the Datsuns is not that they're getting released with g1-ish earthmodes in Earthrise, but rather, that their altmodes in Siege were too earh-like. They should have had more creative, less man-made looking altmodes in Siege.
This is pretty much how I'm feeling about it at the moment.
All of this, 100%.
Calling it right now: Sunstreaker will share a mold with the battlechargers.
I think that SIEGE Megatron looked too Earthlike, FWIW, although he could have passed as an earth mode. I think a lot of what makes Earthrise Megatron look too similar to the SIEGE figure is the fact that he has the same bland gray-and-black color scheme, only with even fewer red accents.-Kanrabat- wrote:Rtron wrote:I think the problem with Megatron and the Datsuns is not that they're getting released with g1-ish earthmodes in Earthrise, but rather, that their altmodes in Siege were too earh-like. They should have had more creative, less man-made looking altmodes in Siege. Baut they didn't, so now these new figures feel boring, when they're actually pretty cool looking and in line with the whole budget-masterpiece thing Earthrise seems to be shooting for. Rather, it was actually the Siege figures that were boring, taking into account the whole "cybertronian altmodes" concept it was supposed to represent.
BAM!
There's the issue!
Seriously, that Megatron is way too similar to the Siege one. So much that it's a waste of a slot. Siege Megs could have been released as a Eartrise figure with no problems.
What did you expect? It's G1 cartoon based.-Kanrabat- wrote:If only Siege had those guys as Optimus and Megatron upscaled to voyager size. But no.
-Edgeatron and Edgeimus snip-
IMO, changing up the stacks and the fuel tanks and removing the bulky overhead lights does a lot to distinguish him. He also has a removable Matrix of Leadership for added play value, and a better-looking gun.-Kanrabat- wrote:That's why I also find Earthrise Optimus to be worthless. Too similar to the Siege voyager and that trailer is totally bare-bone for the asking price.
You've got Cyberverse and Studio Series mixed in there.Fc203 wrote:Some better pics
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Also, how do you call the trailer "totally bare bones" when it has the functioning repair/attack drone pod and a detachable shield?
I wouldn't call the trailer an afterthought, it's more like perforce limited. It's the strict per-size-class plastic and budget limits... They've been a thing since the Beast Era and they're not going away (and the amount allowed per has been diminishing...). In ER Optimus' case, a lot of the plastic limit goes to both Optimus himself and the actual walls of the trailer. I'm frankly surprised they were able to work a complete enclosed trailer including the repair drone into the current limits of Leader-class figures. I would like it to have Roller and Titan Master seats, don't get me wrong, but that would require him to be Commander-class these days. Well, maybe they could have squeezed a seat into the repair drone, but idk for sure.-Kanrabat- wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Also, how do you call the trailer "totally bare bones" when it has the functioning repair/attack drone pod and a detachable shield?
ER Optimus did improve on Siege for sure. But that trailer is an afterthought. No Roller, the repair drone is ridiculously small, not seats for titan masters and barely any paint. Those "floaty wheels" are also ugly.
-Kanrabat- wrote:I opened my Siege Starscream and OH BOY! Well worth the full 40$CAN!
Seriously, the amount of paint is huge on this guy. He's solid all over and feel like a quality toy. Joints are stiff and the transformation is simple but clever. The iffy jet underbelly is his only fault in this otherwise awesome package.
Now, I only wish for Thundercracker to be a regular release, not a special Amazon bullcrap box set like Siege Skywarp.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Then why did you act like he was applying the "Bottom of the barrel" part to Soundwave? Just being facetious?Burn wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I think he was saying that Stalker (a European Late G1 character) was bottom of the barrel.
I know what he was saying, and I definitely don't need a history lesson on G1.5 figures.
Cyberpath wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:I opened my Siege Starscream and OH BOY! Well worth the full 40$CAN!
Seriously, the amount of paint is huge on this guy. He's solid all over and feel like a quality toy. Joints are stiff and the transformation is simple but clever. The iffy jet underbelly is his only fault in this otherwise awesome package.
Now, I only wish for Thundercracker to be a regular release, not a special Amazon bullcrap box set like Siege Skywarp.
ZeroWolf wrote:I'm sorry but a safer bet (other than stalker) is Cybertron Defence Red Alert
Tuned Agent wrote:
Calling it right now: Sunstreaker will share a mold with the battlechargers.
Cyberpath wrote:BTW, is Runabout (the black Battlecharger) coming too, or will it be some expansive exclusive?
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Edited this observation into my previous post, but a new page happened while I was doing it:
I'm pretty sure that Earthrise Smokescreen is not a reshell but a new mold entirely.
Given the remark about Thundercracker, I'm pretty sure he meant to say "Earthrise Starscream"Burn wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:I opened my Siege Starscream and OH BOY! Well worth the full 40$CAN!
Seriously, the amount of paint is huge on this guy. He's solid all over and feel like a quality toy. Joints are stiff and the transformation is simple but clever. The iffy jet underbelly is his only fault in this otherwise awesome package.
Now, I only wish for Thundercracker to be a regular release, not a special Amazon bullcrap box set like Siege Skywarp.
Cool story but this is the EARTHRISE thread, not Siege.
Rysquad wrote:Would be hilarious if Earthrise only had Earth-mode Prowl, Barricade, and Bluestreak to go along with this Smokescreen.
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