Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby LinaNui » Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:23 pm

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On the side on Sky lynx's box you can see artwork of Thrust. I found the picture in the earthrise photo gallery. I tried to add it here, but could not get it to download correctly.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:27 pm

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LinaNui wrote:On the side on Sky lynx's box you can see artwork of Thrust. I found the picture in the earthrise photo gallery. I tried to add it here, but could not get it to download correctly.
All three Coneheads are on his box art.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby aronjlove » Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:35 pm

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:40 pm

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aronjlove wrote:The middle stage is whoever this dude is
That guy's name was "Scorponok".

In Japan, "Scorponok" was the name of the little guy while "MegaZarak" was the name of the big guy. Hasbro, on the other hand, uses "Scorponok" for the big guy and just "Zarak" (or "Lord Zarak") for the little guy.

But, in this Titan figure's case, there's now a third guy in the middle who is based on the animation model of the Japanese "Scorponok" while the little guy is based on the animation model of the American "Lord Zarak".

The little guy will obviously keep the "Zarak" name while the big guy gets the "Scorponok" name as per Hasbro's traditions, leaving the third guy in the middle currently a mystery.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:43 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:
aronjlove wrote:The middle stage is whoever this dude is
That guy's name was "Scorponok".

In Japan, "Scorponok" was the name of the little guy while "MegaZarak" was the name of the big guy. Hasbro, on the other hand, uses "Scorponok" for the big guy and just "Zarak" (or "Lord Zarak") for the little guy.

But, in this Titan figure's case, there's now a third guy in the middle who is based on the animation model of the Japanese "Scorponok" while the little guy is based on the animation model of the American "Lord Zarak".

The little guy will obviously keep the "Zarak" name while the big guy gets the "Scorponok" name as per Hasbro's traditions, leaving the third guy in the middle currently a mystery.
I vote for MegaZarak.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:06 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
aronjlove wrote:The middle stage is whoever this dude is
That guy's name was "Scorponok".

In Japan, "Scorponok" was the name of the little guy while "MegaZarak" was the name of the big guy. Hasbro, on the other hand, uses "Scorponok" for the big guy and just "Zarak" (or "Lord Zarak") for the little guy.

But, in this Titan figure's case, there's now a third guy in the middle who is based on the animation model of the Japanese "Scorponok" while the little guy is based on the animation model of the American "Lord Zarak".

The little guy will obviously keep the "Zarak" name while the big guy gets the "Scorponok" name as per Hasbro's traditions, leaving the third guy in the middle currently a mystery.
I vote for MegaZarak.


Actually, I believe "Lord Zarak" is the name of the middle stage, leaving the Titan Master unnamed. Apeface's partner Spasma went unnamed on his packaging, I could see them do the same for Scorponok.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:12 am

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Sabrblade wrote:
aronjlove wrote:The middle stage is whoever this dude is
That guy's name was "Scorponok".

In Japan, "Scorponok" was the name of the little guy while "MegaZarak" was the name of the big guy. Hasbro, on the other hand, uses "Scorponok" for the big guy and just "Zarak" (or "Lord Zarak") for the little guy.
Yeah, there were obviously some dueling ideas and crossed wires behind the scenes of The Headmasters. It seems rather obvious that someone wanted to rename the big robot form to "Megazarak" to parallel how Fortress (Cerebros' Japanese counterpart) becomes Fortress Maximus, while someone else wanted to keep the Scorponok name. And through some comedy of errors, the large transtector got renamed to Megazarak while the Scorponok name was retained... but assigned to the non-scorpion guy who formed the head. One of many facepalm-worthy things about The Headmasters.

Sabrblade wrote:But, in this Titan figure's case, there's now a third guy in the middle who is based on the animation model of the Japanese "Scorponok" while the little guy is based on the animation model of the American "Lord Zarak".

The little guy will obviously keep the "Zarak" name while the big guy gets the "Scorponok" name as per Hasbro's traditions, leaving the third guy in the middle currently a mystery.
I'm fine with just calling them both Zarak since both models ultimately derive from the 1987 Lord Zarak Headmaster Partner.

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LinaNui wrote:On the side on Sky lynx's box you can see artwork of Thrust. I found the picture in the earthrise photo gallery. I tried to add it here, but could not get it to download correctly.
All three Coneheads are on his box art.

https://twitter.com/damnyouwillis/status/1231399575128330245

https://twitter.com/DoodSpooder/status/1231427078995763200
Indeed they are. Thrust and Ramjet are drawn based on the original 1985 toys (the rectangular-bottomed frameless cockpit canopies give it away), but that's presumably because the artist grabbed the first ref they could find.

I never had any doubts they'd be happening. The Earthrise Seeker mold being essentially an upscaling of the Classics mold means that it's just as simple to slap on new wings and an altered noggin. Hopefully they'll have a panel to cover the face in jet mode.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:16 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
aronjlove wrote:The middle stage is whoever this dude is
That guy's name was "Scorponok".

In Japan, "Scorponok" was the name of the little guy while "MegaZarak" was the name of the big guy. Hasbro, on the other hand, uses "Scorponok" for the big guy and just "Zarak" (or "Lord Zarak") for the little guy.

But, in this Titan figure's case, there's now a third guy in the middle who is based on the animation model of the Japanese "Scorponok" while the little guy is based on the animation model of the American "Lord Zarak".

The little guy will obviously keep the "Zarak" name while the big guy gets the "Scorponok" name as per Hasbro's traditions, leaving the third guy in the middle currently a mystery.
I vote for MegaZarak.


Actually, I believe "Lord Zarak" is the name of the middle stage, leaving the Titan Master unnamed. Apeface's partner Spasma went unnamed on his packaging, I could see them do the same for Scorponok.
To me it just makes sense that Zarak < MegaZarak < Scorponok.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:19 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:To me it just makes sense that Zarak < MegaZarak < Scorponok.
That would be the most sensible, but it's been pointed out to me that Hasbro Pulse's order page for Scorponok names the middleman "Lord Zarak" while the smaller guy goes nameless.

Though, I suppose another sensible naming scheme could be "Zarak < Lord Zarak < Scorponok".
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:23 am

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I'll say this: In The Headmasters, Fortress' interim body (which would be Cerebros in the US) didn't have its own name.

To me, I think it makes sense to call the smallest figure Zarak or Lord Zarak. Especially if you're going by US canon, because it's not like Lord Zarak was a giant next to his fellow Nebulans.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby MeGrimlockKing2018 » Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:24 am

The Quintesson Alicon Sky Lynz and Scorponok all MUST-HAVES for me this Quintesson looks better than the crappy Cyberverse one I shelled out $$$ for not yet knowing we'd be getting an Earthrise one my wallet is gonna hate me for all of this lol
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:25 am

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I'll say this: In The Headmasters, Fortress' interim body (which would be Cerebros in the US) didn't have its own name.
Wasn't that called Fortress?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:26 am

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I'll say this: In The Headmasters, Fortress' interim body (which would be Cerebros in the US) didn't have its own name.
It did as a toy. Takara named the Spike figure "Cerebros", the Cerebros figure "Fortress", and the big guy remained "Fortress Maximus".

The show just chose to ignore the Japanese toy's "Cerebros" name altogether by applying the middleman's "Fortress" name to both it and the little guy.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:31 am

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I'll say this: In The Headmasters, Fortress' interim body (which would be Cerebros in the US) didn't have its own name.
Wasn't that called Fortress?
Yes, but so was the head, at least in the show. In The Headmasters, since the conceit was that the larger robot bodies were just puppets for the guys who formed the heads (also seen in the US cartoon with Scorponok and Fort Max), they ignored the toy packaging and used the same name for both the body and the head robot.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Rysquad » Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:12 am

Sabrblade wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:To me it just makes sense that Zarak < MegaZarak < Scorponok.
That would be the most sensible, but it's been pointed out to me that Hasbro Pulse's order page for Scorponok names the middleman "Lord Zarak" while the smaller guy goes nameless.

Though, I suppose another sensible naming scheme could be "Zarak < Lord Zarak < Scorponok".


Yeah I'm going with the Titan Master going unnamed, with the middleman being Lord Zarak. Looking forward to folks using the Titans Return Titan Master Scorponok on the Lord Zarak body though.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Munkky » Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:41 am

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby frogbat » Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:11 am

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:26 am

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Some observations, now that all the reveals have happened and we've got some many at-show pictures and promotional images to pour over:

Earthrise Megatron does look better in person, thanks mostly to that silver paint job not obvious in the CG renders. Also, the feet look much improved in regards to functional ankle tilt (and hiding away in alt mode). I wish that huge turret piece broke up into more pieces, giving us a more normal sword, a gun barrel for behind the right shoulder, and maybe a shield of some sort? I think that would have done a lot to sell us on this double-dip and, in a way, homage the versatility of the silencer, stock, and scope accessories from the original G1 toy.

Arcee can indeed just wear her "hoverboard" on her back. It looks as bad as I had feared.

Smokescreen looks fantastic! I don't know why so many people are upset. This is a way bigger upgrade than Earthrise Megatron got from Siege Megatron. He looks G1 perfect now! Smokescreen's number is wrong, though (as is Wheeljack's), being "80" instead of "38." Is that a licensing thing? Also, in the show room shelf photos, you can see that Smokescreen's shoulder cannons are blue on the robot mode sample, but black (like the CG render) on the alt mode sample. Weird. Those same shoulder cannons also look sculpted to better match Bluestreak's cannons than Smokescreen's. The reverse was true in the Siege mold.

If you check out the pictures of the "updated" Earthrise display area, with the Wave 1 guys, you'll see they're still using an outdated Optimus Prime with gray hands and other paint anomalies as opposed to the retail version we actually now have. They couldn't have cracked a fresh final sample out of a box for the show?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Mechastrike » Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:37 am

about time the Quints have their figure. sure i've heard of Alpha Q, but that's just one guy. i want an entire council.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:33 am

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Remember how people thought Ironworks would make for a decent take on Unicron herald Hook? Wouldn't stubby Airwave make for a good Sinker? Geoff Senior kinda gave up when drawing him compared to the other two so Airwave in purple would be a huge improvement!

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Arcee's hoverboard is really growing on my now that we've seen it with its "wings", looks more like the Green Goblin's glider now.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Tigerhawk7109 » Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:02 am

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby blackeyedprime » Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:06 am

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Wouldn't take anything as set in stone but looks like:

March: netflix releases series 1
Deluxes: sideswipe, scrap face, chromia, hound, mirage
Voyagers with battle: megatron, hotlink

July/aug: earthrise wave 2
Deluxes: arcee, alicon, airwave, smokescreen
Voyagers: quint, snapdragon
Leader: double dealer
Commander: skylynx
Titan: scorponok

October: earthrise wave 3
Deluxes: fast track, runamuck
Voyager: megatron

Haven't checked micros or battles. Kind of weird not getting a megatron until wave 3 but prime can carve up a lot of alicons to pass the time (or just fight any of the other megatron).

Liking the the slither battlemaster looks based on the never produced headmaster head that headrobots made.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:26 am

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I'm collecting the SIEGE Tetrajets for a friend. With Hotlink on the way in April that makes 8 of them. It does seem more and more likely they might actually complete the entire line of Seekers in this mold now.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:03 am

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Sabrblade wrote:Has it been said, officially, yet what the name of Scorponok's middleman head bot will be? "Megazarak" is currently just a fan guess, as far as I know.


I bet Takara will make an absurdly expensive limited edition of ER Scorponok into Select Black Zarak.

It's impossible that it's not already planned.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:05 am

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Agreed. Not quite as ludicrous a price tag as Grand Maximus. But considering Scorponok is being listed as relatively cheap for a City Bot, I'd imagine Black Zarak won't be. The inverse of MP-44 to 49.
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