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[Jelze Bunnycat]

Back to Earthrise, when is the next round of reveals? Or has everything for this part of WFC been revealed?

I think Wave 4, whatever it'll be, has yet to be revealed, but most of the stuff for most of the rest of the year has been revealed I believe.

Just so everyone is caught up:

Battle Masters
Wave 1
E1 Soundbarrier
E2 Smashdown (re-release of the Siege figure)

Wave 2
E13 Slitherfang
E14 Rung (re-release of the Siege figure)

Wave ?
E39 Decepticon Doublecrosser

Micromasters
Wave 1
E3 Trip-Up & Autobot Daddy-O: Hot Rod Patrol
E4 Bombshock & Decepticon Growl: Military Patrol

Wave 2
E15 Decepticon Ground Hog & Roller Force: Race Track Patrol
E16 Autobot Blast Master & Fuzer: Astro Squad

Deluxe Class
Wave 1
E5 Hoist
E6 Wheeljack
E7 Cliffjumper
E8 Ironworks

Wave 2
E17 Arcee
E18 Airwave
E19 Quintesson Alicon
E20 Smokescreen

Wave 3
E34 Trailbreaker
E35 Fasttrack
E36 Sunstreaker
E37 Runamuck

Voyager Class
Wave 1
E9 Starscream
E10 Autobot Grapple

Wave 2
E21 Snapdragon
E22 Quintesson Judge

Wave 3
E38 Megatron

Leader Class
Wave 1
E11 Optimus Prime
E12 Astrotrain (re-release of the Siege figure)

Wave 2
E23 Doubledealer

Commander Class
E24 Sky Lynx

Titan Class
E25 Scorponok

Selects
GS10 Autobot Knok, Decepticon Skar, Decepticon Wingthing & Decepticon Frenzy: Soundwave Spy Patrol 3rd Unit

Wave 3 hasn't been completely revealed, but the numbering shows Doublecrosser to be Wave 4 maybe. Also, the E26~E33 gap is too big to be filled by retail Battle Masters and Micromasters alone, so we may have some exclusives coming up as well.

On the side, Deluxe and up now have secret locations on their maps instead of codes on their boxes.

[TF-fan kev777]

Back to Earthrise, when is the next round of reveals? Or has everything for this part of WFC been revealed?

I think Wave 4, whatever it'll be, has yet to be revealed, but most of the stuff for most of the rest of the year has been revealed I believe.

I'm not entirely convinced we'll see a wave 4. Wave 2 is due out September, with Wave 3 being November. It's a bit of a tight window for a fourth wave, especially since Siege Wave 5 was practically non-existent in brick and mortar

I'm not entirely convinced on the dates for waves 2 and 3 being correct at September and November. With wave 1 hitting largely in March, that puts a 6 month gap between waves followed by a 2 month gap. The dates never made much sense when they were first revealed, unless Hasbro knew supply chain would be disrupted by the coronovirus and planned that in. But even so, a 6 month wait for the next new figures seems a bit long.

[Sentinel_Primal]

Back to Earthrise, when is the next round of reveals? Or has everything for this part of WFC been revealed?

I think Wave 4, whatever it'll be, has yet to be revealed, but most of the stuff for most of the rest of the year has been revealed I believe.

I'm not entirely convinced we'll see a wave 4. Wave 2 is due out September, with Wave 3 being November. It's a bit of a tight window for a fourth wave, especially since Siege Wave 5 was practically non-existent in brick and mortar

I'm not entirely convinced on the dates for waves 2 and 3 being correct at September and November. With wave 1 hitting largely in March, that puts a 6 month gap between waves followed by a 2 month gap. The dates never made much sense when they were first revealed, unless Hasbro knew supply chain would be disrupted by the coronovirus and planned that in. But even so, a 6 month wait for the next new figures seems a bit long.

I thought that they had said something to that effect at NYTF? I was just going by the release dates in Pulse either way. Maybe they were put in wrong though because Doubledealer has moved up to a July release date

[TF-fan kev777]

Back to Earthrise, when is the next round of reveals? Or has everything for this part of WFC been revealed?

I think Wave 4, whatever it'll be, has yet to be revealed, but most of the stuff for most of the rest of the year has been revealed I believe.

I'm not entirely convinced we'll see a wave 4. Wave 2 is due out September, with Wave 3 being November. It's a bit of a tight window for a fourth wave, especially since Siege Wave 5 was practically non-existent in brick and mortar

I'm not entirely convinced on the dates for waves 2 and 3 being correct at September and November. With wave 1 hitting largely in March, that puts a 6 month gap between waves followed by a 2 month gap. The dates never made much sense when they were first revealed, unless Hasbro knew supply chain would be disrupted by the coronovirus and planned that in. But even so, a 6 month wait for the next new figures seems a bit long.

I thought that they had said something to that effect at NYTF? I was just going by the release dates in Pulse either way. Maybe they were put in wrong though because Doubledealer has moved up to a July release date

Good to know about Doubledealer. Target still has him as September, but July would be nice if that happens.

[o.supreme]

Unfortunately I'm starting to think real world influences are going to push all these dates back. Besides Siege adding a 5th late wave kind of pushed back things on their own anyway...instead of doing the tidy *12 month* plan starting with cutting PotP short, the *success* of Siege made it more of a 15-ish month line. I don't see Earthrise ending until almost mid-2021, whereby the 3rd part of the trilogy will be revealed.

[Sentinel_Primal]

As a side note, Insane Galvatron on TFW got Earthrise Starscream with a strange alternate head design. Potentially indicating a coronation Starscream release?

[no-one]

As a side note, Insane Galvatron on TFW got Earthrise Starscream with a strange alternate head design. Potentially indicating a coronation Starscream release?

Huh, that is interesting, I can't help but be suspicious but it looks pretty legit.

Maybe one of the unannounced seekers is going have a different face/head (and it's a pretool) and the wrong head got put on Screamer?

That's a much better face than Siege Thundercracker had.

[TF-fan kev777]

As a side note, Insane Galvatron on TFW got Earthrise Starscream with a strange alternate head design. Potentially indicating a coronation Starscream release?

Huh, that is interesting, I can't help but be suspicious but it looks pretty legit.

Maybe one of the unannounced seekers is going have a different face/head (and it's a pretool) and the wrong head got put on Screamer?

That's a much better face than Siege Thundercracker had.

I'm a bit suspicious myself. What doesn't make sense is that, wouldn't the alternate head require an alternate paint setup so that the open mouth doesn't get painted?

[Jelze Bunnycat]

As a side note, Insane Galvatron on TFW got Earthrise Starscream with a strange alternate head design. Potentially indicating a coronation Starscream release?

Huh, that is interesting, I can't help but be suspicious but it looks pretty legit.

Maybe one of the unannounced seekers is going have a different face/head (and it's a pretool) and the wrong head got put on Screamer?

That's a much better face than Siege Thundercracker had.

I'm a bit suspicious myself. What doesn't make sense is that, wouldn't the alternate head require an alternate paint setup so that the open mouth doesn't get painted?

Not all paint deco is applied by machine I believe, and the white mouth could very well be glare.

[no-one]

As a side note, Insane Galvatron on TFW got Earthrise Starscream with a strange alternate head design. Potentially indicating a coronation Starscream release?

Huh, that is interesting, I can't help but be suspicious but it looks pretty legit.

Maybe one of the unannounced seekers is going have a different face/head (and it's a pretool) and the wrong head got put on Screamer?

That's a much better face than Siege Thundercracker had.

I'm a bit suspicious myself. What doesn't make sense is that, wouldn't the alternate head require an alternate paint setup so that the open mouth doesn't get painted?

Not all paint deco is applied by machine I believe, and the white mouth could very well be glare.

I'd assume that a tampo or spray would paint the face the same unless the chin was considerably lower down. I checked my Starscream and the best I can tell all the details match up except the face. I think the eyes look a little bit different as well.

Let's say it is a pretool, is it possible they are painting the extra heads as well for the upcoming production of new figures?

[Jelze Bunnycat]

As a side note, Insane Galvatron on TFW got Earthrise Starscream with a strange alternate head design. Potentially indicating a coronation Starscream release?

Huh, that is interesting, I can't help but be suspicious but it looks pretty legit.

Maybe one of the unannounced seekers is going have a different face/head (and it's a pretool) and the wrong head got put on Screamer?

That's a much better face than Siege Thundercracker had.

I'm a bit suspicious myself. What doesn't make sense is that, wouldn't the alternate head require an alternate paint setup so that the open mouth doesn't get painted?

Not all paint deco is applied by machine I believe, and the white mouth could very well be glare.

I'd assume that a tampo or spray would paint the face the same unless the chin was considerably lower down. I checked my Starscream and the best I can tell all the details match up except the face. I think the eyes look a little bit different as well.

Let's say it is a pretool, it's possible they are painting the extra heads as well for the upcoming production of new figures.

I don't really see that: with pretools, the extra parts are made at the same time as the regular ones, and are discarded. It's more of a tool to ease logistics and planning. However, it's not uncommon for the wrong set of parts to be discarded and used: the Sports Car Patrol had that happen with using the regular Race Car Patrol torsos instead of the alternate ones.

[Sentinel_Primal]

I don't really see that: with pretools, the extra parts are made at the same time as the regular ones, and are discarded. It's more of a tool to ease logistics and planning. However, it's not uncommon for the wrong set of parts to be discarded and used: the Sports Car Patrol had that happen with using the regular Race Car Patrol torsos instead of the alternate ones.

In addition to some of the later wave Hasbro Chromedomes getting the Legends headmaster instead of the Titans Return one

[no-one]

As a side note, Insane Galvatron on TFW got Earthrise Starscream with a strange alternate head design. Potentially indicating a coronation Starscream release?

Huh, that is interesting, I can't help but be suspicious but it looks pretty legit.

Maybe one of the unannounced seekers is going have a different face/head (and it's a pretool) and the wrong head got put on Screamer?

That's a much better face than Siege Thundercracker had.

I'm a bit suspicious myself. What doesn't make sense is that, wouldn't the alternate head require an alternate paint setup so that the open mouth doesn't get painted?

Not all paint deco is applied by machine I believe, and the white mouth could very well be glare.

I'd assume that a tampo or spray would paint the face the same unless the chin was considerably lower down. I checked my Starscream and the best I can tell all the details match up except the face. I think the eyes look a little bit different as well.

Let's say it is a pretool, it's possible they are painting the extra heads as well for the upcoming production of new figures.

I don't really see that: with pretools, the extra parts are made at the same time as the regular ones, and are discarded. It's more of a tool to ease logistics and planning. However, it's not uncommon for the wrong set of parts to be discarded and used: the Sports Car Patrol had that happen with using the regular Race Car Patrol torsos instead of the alternate ones.

Seems unlikely to me as well and I should have worded that as more of a question. *edit - fixed*

Well there are only so many options to explain that head. If it's official my guess would be a simple use of the wrong part. I find a coronation option the least likely, unless it's a 3p upgrade. Guess we'll know eventually, maybe.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Well there are only so many options to explain that head. If it's official my guess would be a simple use of the wrong part. I find a coronation option the least likely, unless it's a 3p upgrade. Guess we'll know eventually, maybe.

We still have that gap...

[Dr. Caelus]

Fun thought - Doubledealer can store cassettes in his chest, and turns into a missile carrier very similar to Machine wars Soundwave. If they retooled his bird mode into a bat, we could have a triple homage to G1, Machine Wars, and Beast Wars.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

A lot of people have had the same brainwave minus the bat part.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Fun thought - Doubledealer can store cassettes in his chest, and turns into a missile carrier very similar to Machine wars Soundwave. If they retooled his bird mode into a bat, we could have a triple homage to G1, Machine Wars, and Beast Wars.

[no-one]

A lot of people have had the same brainwave minus the bat part.

That does seem familiar....

The bat part blew my mind though.

[Flashwave]

A lot of people have had the same brainwave minus the bat part.

That does seem familiar....

The bat part blew my mind though.

I think a certain staff member would blow a head gasket if they did a redeco of the redeco and not the original...

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

We're getting WAY off topic discussing the merits of the other Siege replacements.

I don't see why a Siege presence prevents new moulds in Earthrise / the remaining trilogy at all at this point. Your arguments against all seem arbitrary. I'll continue to wait for a voyager Earth mode Ratchet before replacing Universe Ratchet and Henkei Ironhide.

Moved here to be more on topic.

Maybe these clarifications will help strengthen my arguments, idk...
1. SIEGE Ratchet and Ironhide are close enough as-is that unless they had more to offer (like accessibiliy or extra features) than just being Earth mode versions, I don't see Earth mode versions having as much appeal; they'd have the same problem as ER Megatron.
2. G1 has such a bloody huge cast even just in terms of show characters. There's a fair few who've yet to receive better modern toys (or modern toys period), and most of them would be Deluxes and Voyagers. Especially since thanks to the stupid Micromasters the remaining Minibots would have to be height-engineered Deluxes. So I don't know how worth it it would be to have Ratchet and Ironhide taking up slots.
Don't get me wrong, earth-mode versions of them with detachable battle/repair platforms to sweeten the deal would be cool... But there's so many still to do that I don't know if I want that new Ratchet and Ironhide badly enough to give up someone else for it.

[no-one]

A lot of people have had the same brainwave minus the bat part.

That does seem familiar....

The bat part blew my mind though.

I think a certain staff member would blow a head gasket if they did a redeco of the redeco and not the original...

One can only hope

SIEGE Ratchet and Ironhide are close enough as-is that unless they had more to offer (like accessibiliy or extra features) than just being Earth mode versions, I don't see Earth mode versions having as much appeal

I don't know, those Vanettes are pretty cherry

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

SIEGE Ratchet and Ironhide are close enough as-is that unless they had more to offer (like accessibiliy or extra features) than just being Earth mode versions, I don't see Earth mode versions having as much appeal

I don't know, those Vanettes are pretty cherry

They are, but it would take more than just that with how good the SIEGE versions already are.

I would want the detachable platform, a Headmaster gimmick (just because the thought amuses me so), or both to sweeten the deal.

[no-one]

SIEGE Ratchet and Ironhide are close enough as-is that unless they had more to offer (like accessibiliy or extra features) than just being Earth mode versions, I don't see Earth mode versions having as much appeal

I don't know, those Vanettes are pretty cherry

They are, but it would take more than just that with how good the SIEGE versions already are.
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I would want the detachable platform, a Headmaster gimmick (just because the thought amuses me so), or both to sweeten the deal.

I agree that an ER/Part3 mold would have to be outstanding to get me to jump. I'm not particularly interested a battle sled, but I wouldn't say no if it was done "right". The headmaster gimmick would be hilarious as would the fallout

A reasonably priced 3P legends figure was able to pull off the battle sled in a cool way, so I don't see why a deluxe couldn't. I have the Ironhide version and it's pretty neat.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Meh, in Ratchet's case that doesn't really work at all and I don't like how they disposed of of the van rear in robot mode. But including the battle station in a Deluxe (or Voyager, if mass forces it) would not be hard. You'd just have to upscale and articulate the G1 design, make the shoulders able to migrate up to the top of the windshield, fill things in a bit where possible, and add a head.

Here's something we've definitely got to look forward to: Scorponok makes the perfect wielder for Sixshot's gun mode.

[Flashwave]

SIEGE Ratchet and Ironhide are close enough as-is that unless they had more to offer (like accessibiliy or extra features) than just being Earth mode versions, I don't see Earth mode versions having as much appeal

I don't know, those Vanettes are pretty cherry

They are, but it would take more than just that with how good the SIEGE versions already are.

I would want the detachable platform, a Headmaster gimmick (just because the thought amuses me so), or both to sweeten the deal.

See, this is exactly why Ratchet and Ironhide SHOULD be in Earthrise. They already have a base mode, all you have to do is put a ramp or a contact for one on the back of the platform and you have completely embraced the play pattern. Ratchet can become (a MUCH more believable) repair bay for Micromasters and Ironhide a gun station) Then design a bot node that transforms similarly to Energon Tow Line but with better proportions (Airelbot legs for thicker thighs) and you have a perfect G1 Ratchet and Ironhide. I agree, to just do them in Earthrise would be a waste, but they lend themselves perfectly to what Hasbro is doing if they just embrace it