ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I had the same thought and it really makes me want to facepalm. From what I read, Ron Friedman had an uphill battle getting them to let him put Arcee in the movie.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Her G1 design has been made into a decent toy before:
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It is perfectly possible. All they had to do was use the same integration tricks the version they already made used. That was all they needed to do. They've done it before.
But no. No, instead what they tried to do was downscale the MP design (which was already iffy) into a Deluxe. And predictably, it resulted in a trainwreck. Just like the THREE DIFFERENT TIMES they tried downscaling MP-01. You'd think they'd have learned, but apparently not.
And this doesn't even do anything useful (like, say, have a Titan Master head and seat) to make up for the clunk.
They should have known better. They should have done better. They could have done better. They knew how to do better.
And yet, we got this trash.
So AFAIC, ER Arcee's value is equivalent to that of an Armada Side Swipe that's been run over by a truck.Oh, get real. "Actually integrates the chest and legs into the car" is leagues ahead of "Wears the entire car mode on the back". And T30 Arcee manages to put the unintegrated parts on the back far more compactly.AcademyofDrX wrote:Yeah, and T30 Arcee's integration was also terrible. Earthrise is incrementally worse, but only just.
sol magnus wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I had the same thought and it really makes me want to facepalm. From what I read, Ron Friedman had an uphill battle getting them to let him put Arcee in the movie.
The same guys thought it was gonna be just fine to kill off half the toyline including, unbeknownst to them at the time, their Ultimate Cash Cow.
Consider the source.
ZeroWolf wrote:sol magnus wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I had the same thought and it really makes me want to facepalm. From what I read, Ron Friedman had an uphill battle getting them to let him put Arcee in the movie.
The same guys thought it was gonna be just fine to kill off half the toyline including, unbeknownst to them at the time, their Ultimate Cash Cow.
Consider the source.
I actually thought the gambit of the shelf cleaner worked as it was a shocking thing to happen. If they hadn't done that and basically just done an extended Season 1 episode, I think the animated movie wouldn't be held up to the same regard. Its more thinking like that we need, a willingness to take risks to advance the franchise forward.
sol magnus wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:sol magnus wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I had the same thought and it really makes me want to facepalm. From what I read, Ron Friedman had an uphill battle getting them to let him put Arcee in the movie.
The same guys thought it was gonna be just fine to kill off half the toyline including, unbeknownst to them at the time, their Ultimate Cash Cow.
Consider the source.
I actually thought the gambit of the shelf cleaner worked as it was a shocking thing to happen. If they hadn't done that and basically just done an extended Season 1 episode, I think the animated movie wouldn't be held up to the same regard. Its more thinking like that we need, a willingness to take risks to advance the franchise forward.
It worked out so well for them before...
In theory I agree with you. In practice, it's just harder to say how effective that would be. At a certain point, even inventing new characters simply won't bring the ROI that using versions of the characters already made continue to bring in. And I'm talking media, not even toys necessarily.
New characters are always welcome. I don't want to give a false impression. But, they gain relevance by interacting with the tried and true characters we all know (regardless of continuity).
-Kanrabat- wrote:Emerje wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Things would probably be less messy if there was a 1986 toy to work from, but nooooo. Hasbro just had to cancel it - literally because "Ewww girl cooties in our boys' toyline"
That's one bizarre "logic" that I really don't understand. GI-Joe was also owned by Hasbro at the time. And as far as I know, there's a LOT of female characters that got their toys since day one and they were all super popular.
But for some weird reasons, what worked perfectly in GI-Joe "could not work" in Transformers. I need to find myself a time machine so I can bitch-slap some executives.
There's quite the big difference between the two lines though. G.I.Joes all share the same basic engineering with only sculpting and weapons being different and even that can be mixed to save money on new characters. If Scarlett or Lady Jay doesn't sell it isn't a huge loss since they're tiny figures that don't use a lot of plastic. A female Transformer in the '80s when society had bigger expectations for gender boundaries (boys play with boys' toys) would have been a much bigger gamble. The engineering is much more expensive, there's little opportunity for mold reuse (back then), she'd use a lot of plastic, and there's no telling during preproduction if she would be popular enough to sell. It's unfortunate, but I can see why they wouldn't want to take the risk.
Emerje
In this context, it make total sense.
And to think that there was a time when Bob Budiansky was going use this toy as a female without any hesitation:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I had the same thought and it really makes me want to facepalm. From what I read, Ron Friedman had an uphill battle getting them to let him put Arcee in the movie.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Roughly the old Scout class.FellintoOblivion wrote:What size class are the figures in the Target Clone pack?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Roughly the old Scout class.FellintoOblivion wrote:What size class are the figures in the Target Clone pack?
All Amazon orders are supposed to charge when being prepared for shipment and this includes pre-orders. Mine says delivery on the 17th so I expect not to be charged until the 15th, maybe even 16th if the figure is in a local warehouse.NTESHFT wrote:I have a kind of off topic question. I didn't know where to put this. I pre-ordered sleep mode prime. Does Amazon take the money out upon pre-order or do they wait til it comes in?
NTESHFT wrote:I have a kind of off topic question. I didn't know where to put this. I pre-ordered sleep mode prime. Does Amazon take the money out upon pre-order or do they wait til it comes in?
grimdragon2001 wrote:
Maybe this will help
Starseeker wrote:grimdragon2001 wrote:
Maybe this will help
You have Pounce and Wingspan???
They're no different from the ones Takara put out two years ago.Starseeker wrote:You have Pounce and Wingspan???
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Starseeker wrote:grimdragon2001 wrote:
Maybe this will help
You have Pounce and Wingspan???
grimdragon2001 wrote:Starseeker wrote:grimdragon2001 wrote:
Maybe this will help
You have Pounce and Wingspan???
Mine are the Japanese Legends versions. From what i can tell based on the promo art, they are exactly the same as the upcoming Earthrise versions
grimdragon2001 wrote:ahh ok, they haven't arrived here in Florida yet
Starseeker wrote:Yeah same in CT, I haven't seen them in any Target. Grrrrrrr!
How much were they?
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