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Ah. Was that an edit-to-add, or did I somehow miss it when I quoted? I don't remember seeing it before.Rodimus Prime wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:You answered your own question there. If you want a figure to be done in the style of a certain line, you can't just pick and choose the properties of that line, you have to apply them all.
It was an edit, but not after your post. I decided to add to it while you were typing your response, probably. As for how it works, once again, you have your view, I have mine. Is there even a difference in price for Titans Return leaders and WFC leaders? Because if not, the whole point is moot. This whole thing is not about what Hasbro does, it's about how it's received. You are defending their decision to make Astrotrain the way they did, I'm stating why I don't approve of it. 2 different opinions. And that's fine. But honestly, we might as well move on, because mine won't change.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Ah. Was that an edit-to-add, or did I somehow miss it when I quoted? I don't remember seeing it before.Rodimus Prime wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:You answered your own question there. If you want a figure to be done in the style of a certain line, you can't just pick and choose the properties of that line, you have to apply them all.
Regardless, that's not how it works. If SIEGE/ER Astrotrain had been designed in the style of Titans Return, Hasbro would still charge the WFC Leader price for him.
Yes, there is. In Titans Return, Leaders were $41. In WFC? $50.Rodimus Prime wrote:It was an efit, but not after your post. I decided to add to it while you were typing your response, probably. As for how it works, once again, you have your view, I have mine. Is there even a difference in price for Titans Return leaders and WFC leaders? Because if not, the whole point is moot.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Ah. Was that an edit-to-add, or did I somehow miss it when I quoted? I don't remember seeing it before.Rodimus Prime wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:You answered your own question there. If you want a figure to be done in the style of a certain line, you can't just pick and choose the properties of that line, you have to apply them all.
Regardless, that's not how it works. If SIEGE/ER Astrotrain had been designed in the style of Titans Return, Hasbro would still charge the WFC Leader price for him.
Okay, but 1. Voyagers were cheaper too during Titans Return - $22 if memory serves. So the price difference between the size classes hasn't really changed between lines.Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, $41 would be a more reasonable price for a voyager figure with extra crap than $50. $30 for the figure, $10 for the other unnecessary-but-still-useful stuff.
But as he is now, ER Astrotrain has more than what a TR figure did. Taking just the figures, I would choose ER AT over TR AT for the same amount of money. Not because there's more plastic involved, but because ER AT appeals to me. So yeah, I would buy him for $22. But then the tender wouldn't be worth the $19 it takes for him to get to $41.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Okay, but 1. Voyagers were cheaper too during Titans Return - $22 if memory serves. So the price difference between the size classes hasn't really changed between lines.Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, $41 would be a more reasonable price for a voyager figure with extra crap than $50. $30 for the figure, $10 for the other unnecessary-but-still-useful stuff.
That depends on what the "Astrotrain equivalent" is. Are you asking if I would buy an Astrotrain by himself if he was the size of TR Soundwave? Probably not. For the same reason I didn't buy any of the CW leaders besides Ultra Magnus: they weren't worth the money to me. The CW seekers as well as TR Soundwave should have been voyagers. Just like ER AT should have been sold by himself as a voyager.2. What I had asked you all those replies ago was: what would you rather have for $50 (what a neo-G1 Leader costs nowadays): SIEGE/ER Astrotrain as he is (an enhanced Voyager, plenty of meat on his bones and in scale with his fellow Decepticon Triple Changers, with the tender and accessories making up the rest of the difference)... or what amounts to the Astrotrain equivalent of CW Thundercracker and TR Soundwave.
Basically, yes. More specifically I was asking, which do you think would be better value for the Leader price: WFC Astrotrain as we got him? Or Astrotrain ballooned to T30/CW/TR size with all the warts doing so entails?Rodimus Prime wrote:That depends on what the "Astrotrain equivalent" is. Are you asking if I would buy an Astrotrain by himself if he was the size of TR Soundwave?
Well, the CW Seekers couldn't have been Voyagers, for two reasons: One is that they were the alternate tooling of T30 Jetfire. The other is that the Voyager price point in that line was reserved for combiner torsos. The Leader price point was basically used as a dumping ground for T30 overflow. But they are still oversized "meh" figures, just like CW Megs and his lazy Armada Megatron cosplay version... Part of me wonders if maybe doing the torso bots as "Voyager with accessories" Leaders while the actual Voyager price point was the dumping ground would have been better.Rodimus Prime wrote:The CW seekers as well as TR Soundwave should have been voyagers. Just like ER AT should have been sold by himself as a voyager.
Well, to me WFC Astrotrain isn't worth the leader price. That's what this whole discussion is about. I think I would have paid $41 for a leader TR Astrotrain. But not $50.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Basically, yes. More specifically I was asking, which do you think would be better value for the Leader price: WFC Astrotrain as we got him? Or Astrotrain ballooned to T30/CW/TR size with all the warts doing so entails?Rodimus Prime wrote:That depends on what the "Astrotrain equivalent" is. Are you asking if I would buy an Astrotrain by himself if he was the size of TR Soundwave?
WFC Astrotrain as he is now is worth $40 IMO. If the tender or weaponry were reduced in any way, the price would have to be reduced as well.How would you feel about paying $40 (which is where the Ultra class would be price-wise if resurrected today) for an Astrotrain with basically the same core robot as SIEGE/ER, but a thinner, lighter tender/launchpad and few-to-no extra guns?
Well, unfortunately for all of us the Leader price is $50 now. So whether they'd done Astrotrain as he is or done him in the T30/CW/TR style (that is, huge but hollow)... they'd be charging you $50 for him. If any of the T30 through PotP Leaders were to be reissued in the current line? They'd be $50 as well. It sucks that we've seen that much price creep since Titans Return (especially with how little plastic a lot of CHUG molds have compared to UT and movie 1-2 figures of the same size classes), but we don't have the power to push the prices back down so them's the breaks.Rodimus Prime wrote:Well, to me WFC Astrotrain isn't worth the leader price. That's what this whole discussion is about. I think I would have paid $41 for a leader TR Astrotrain. But not $50.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Basically, yes. More specifically I was asking, which do you think would be better value for the Leader price: WFC Astrotrain as we got him? Or Astrotrain ballooned to T30/CW/TR size with all the warts doing so entails?Rodimus Prime wrote:That depends on what the "Astrotrain equivalent" is. Are you asking if I would buy an Astrotrain by himself if he was the size of TR Soundwave?
Well, as he is now, he is in the mass range of a Leader class figure. There's no two ways about that. And since a WFC Leader class figure is worth $50 in the opinion of Hasbro's bean-counters and shareholders and this is a seller's market... he'd have to shed plastic to get his price reduced.Rodimus Prime wrote:WFC Astrotrain as he is now is worth $40 IMO. If the tender or weaponry were reduced in any way, the price would have to be reduced as well.How would you feel about paying $40 (which is where the Ultra class would be price-wise if resurrected today) for an Astrotrain with basically the same core robot as SIEGE/ER, but a thinner, lighter tender/launchpad and few-to-no extra guns?
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Rodimus Prime wrote:Like I said, it's all about what your money is worth to you.
And ZeroWolf, I was actually thinking the same thing. I thought how much will fans tolerate as far as price hikes go? Sooner or later, we'll be paying $50 for a voyager, $30 for a deluxe. It's not as far off as we might think. I think when that happens, it'll be a reality check not only for most fans, but for Hasbro as well.
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