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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:You do realize that Selects isn't limited to WFC molds, right? Bug Bite could just as easily be a redeco'd TR Bumblebee with accessories thrown in to bring him up to Deluxe value. Hot House could be a similar redeco of CW Powerglide (although he could instead be a redeco of Ironworks, Airwave, or an as-yet-unseen Modulator as Hot House's fire station).
But unnumbered though they may be, Red Swoop and Nameswapped Targetmaster: Porsche Type - the pilot figures for the line, no less - are still Prime Wars redeco SELECTS figures. And among the numbered's, there is Lancer. So it's not an impossibility.JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:You do realize that Selects isn't limited to WFC molds, right? Bug Bite could just as easily be a redeco'd TR Bumblebee with accessories thrown in to bring him up to Deluxe value. Hot House could be a similar redeco of CW Powerglide (although he could instead be a redeco of Ironworks, Airwave, or an as-yet-unseen Modulator as Hot House's fire station).
Hasbro's side has been limited to current molds so far, and barring Lancer, all numbered releases (which excludes Red Swoop and Ricochet) are pretools or redecos of WFC molds.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:But unnumbered though they may be, Red Swoop and Nameswapped Targetmaster: Porsche Type - the pilot figures for the line, no less - are still Prime Wars redeco SELECTS figures. And among the numbered's, there is Lancer. So it's not an impossibility.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:You do realize that Selects isn't limited to WFC molds, right? Bug Bite could just as easily be a redeco'd TR Bumblebee with accessories thrown in to bring him up to Deluxe value. Hot House could be a similar redeco of CW Powerglide (although he could instead be a redeco of Ironworks, Airwave, or an as-yet-unseen Modulator as Hot House's fire station).
Also, just because we haven't seen double-dipping yet doesn't mean that we won't. SELECTS is still a baby line, especially on the Hasbro end.
I hope that that rumored G2 Megatron is pulled from Selects to take the regular version's place at retail, and the regular one scrapped altogether.
Greasepit is probably going to be a redeco and retool of Ironworks based on this:
Although he could instead be a redeco of Sideswipe as the scrapped G2 Go-Bot Greasepit:
Emerje wrote:As for the clones, I might get them if they sell them for Deluxe price one sale. If freaking Walgreens can sell two clones for $18 then Target should be able to sell them for $20, not this nonsense $25 price.
Nemesis Primal wrote:The clones are an odd choice though, wouldn't it have made more sense to do the 2-pack of Fastlane and Pounce instead, to go with the Walgreen set?
Zeedust wrote:Emerje wrote:As for the clones, I might get them if they sell them for Deluxe price one sale. If freaking Walgreens can sell two clones for $18 then Target should be able to sell them for $20, not this nonsense $25 price.
Considering the Walgreens set was two non-matching clones, and the other two were only available in huge expensive box sets? I like this way better, and I hope there's another set coming for the Autobot clones.
With Hot House, it was the fact that we haven't seen anything of him yet so using the CW Powerglide mold beefed up to a Deluxe with accessories is also a possibility. That and when I double-checked who Hot House was I overlooked his baseNemesis Primal wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:You do realize that Selects isn't limited to WFC molds, right? Bug Bite could just as easily be a redeco'd TR Bumblebee with accessories thrown in to bring him up to Deluxe value. Hot House could be a similar redeco of CW Powerglide (although he could instead be a redeco of Ironworks, Airwave, or an as-yet-unseen Modulator as Hot House's fire station).
Also, just because we haven't seen double-dipping yet doesn't mean that we won't. SELECTS is still a baby line, especially on the Hasbro end.
I hope that that rumored G2 Megatron is pulled from Selects to take the regular version's place at retail, and the regular one scrapped altogether.
Greasepit is probably going to be a redeco and retool of Ironworks based on this:
Although he could instead be a redeco of Sideswipe as the scrapped G2 Go-Bot Greasepit:
...why would they not make Hot House and Greasepit Modulators? I don't understand where you got that idea from,
The Greenlight version may have been packaged as SIEGE, but it's still very much a PotP mold with new bits.Nemesis Primal wrote:Also, so far, Selects HAS been limited to WFC molds for it's WFC Selects figures. The closest to an exception to that has been Lancer, but she still used Greenlight's tooling/version of the mold that only got released IN WFC.
So far, but that could always change. Especially with Hasbro having seen the sales of the Seacons.Nemesis Primal wrote:The only Selects figures that used old molds were the PotP limbs that were explicitly labeled as PotP Selects and had nothing to do with WFC.
I would hope that they either do that or use the TR Bumblebee mold rather than make Bugbite a Cliffjumper redeco, because Bugbite being a Cliffjumper redeco would be stupid. Because Earthrise Cliffjumper is absolutely not a pseudo-VW Beetle and thus the name wouldn't fit.Nemesis Primal wrote:or there's a Bumblebee figure/mold we have yet to see that Bugbite will use and Hubcap will then be a Cliff repaint, since Hasbro already said Bumblebee won't use the Cliff mold if he gets made (unless they just mean he'll be a heavy remold like Siege Ratchet).
Shockwave, Smokescreen, and Red Wing are all exceptions to that.JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I've looked at other Hubcaps and Bug Bites, and there's a Hubcap we overlooked:
Transformers Hunt For The Decepticons Hubcap Gallery
I don't see Hasbro using that design however... not do I really see them using Hoist. Selects mostly uses the alternate head of any given figure unused in the main line
I don't, because of Titans Return Bumblebee (who Cliffy is designed to scale with).AcademyofDrX wrote:I don't understand this speculation at all. We're virtually guaranteed to get Bumblebee as a slight retool of Cliffjumper sooner or later. The former would be redecoed as Bugbite, the latter as Hubcap. I know we haven't seen any leaks of BB yet, but do we really think he's not coming out in this line? (Edit, maybe not in this year, but at least early next year.)
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I don't, because of Titans Return Bumblebee (who Cliffy is designed to scale with).AcademyofDrX wrote:I don't understand this speculation at all. We're virtually guaranteed to get Bumblebee as a slight retool of Cliffjumper sooner or later. The former would be redecoed as Bugbite, the latter as Hubcap. I know we haven't seen any leaks of BB yet, but do we really think he's not coming out in this line? (Edit, maybe not in this year, but at least early next year.)
We might be getting a Goldbug in this trilogy, and hopefully that will be all.
Also, Bumblebee is NOT going to be a slight retool of Cliffjumper. Hasbro has outright said as much, apparently.
TR Bumblebee may have been deemed close enough. Also, you do realize who Goldbug is right?Jeddostotle7 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I don't, because of Titans Return Bumblebee (who Cliffy is designed to scale with).AcademyofDrX wrote:I don't understand this speculation at all. We're virtually guaranteed to get Bumblebee as a slight retool of Cliffjumper sooner or later. The former would be redecoed as Bugbite, the latter as Hubcap. I know we haven't seen any leaks of BB yet, but do we really think he's not coming out in this line? (Edit, maybe not in this year, but at least early next year.)
We might be getting Goldbug, and hopefully that will be it.
Do you really think Hasbro's gonna be going this long without giving us a Bumblebee of some kind in a Generations line? I know many of us are absolutely tired of Bumblebees, but we're still lacking for a good properly directly-like-G1 one with a Volkswagen-y alt mode.
With the size Cliffjumper ended up being I don't think they'll be redoing all the Minibots they've already done, but there's no way they're not gonna give us some kind of Bumblebee sometime soon, and given the current line, it's gonna be that proper even-more-G1-ish one that we still lack. Sure, it's definitely not gonna be a straight retool of Cliffjumper (it'll probably reuse a handful of parts, but will be mostly a new mold), but it's coming.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:TR Bumblebee may have been deemed close enough. Also, you do realize who Goldbug is right?Jeddostotle7 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I don't, because of Titans Return Bumblebee (who Cliffy is designed to scale with).AcademyofDrX wrote:I don't understand this speculation at all. We're virtually guaranteed to get Bumblebee as a slight retool of Cliffjumper sooner or later. The former would be redecoed as Bugbite, the latter as Hubcap. I know we haven't seen any leaks of BB yet, but do we really think he's not coming out in this line? (Edit, maybe not in this year, but at least early next year.)
We might be getting Goldbug, and hopefully that will be it.
Do you really think Hasbro's gonna be going this long without giving us a Bumblebee of some kind in a Generations line? I know many of us are absolutely tired of Bumblebees, but we're still lacking for a good properly directly-like-G1 one with a Volkswagen-y alt mode.
With the size Cliffjumper ended up being I don't think they'll be redoing all the Minibots they've already done, but there's no way they're not gonna give us some kind of Bumblebee sometime soon, and given the current line, it's gonna be that proper even-more-G1-ish one that we still lack. Sure, it's definitely not gonna be a straight retool of Cliffjumper (it'll probably reuse a handful of parts, but will be mostly a new mold), but it's coming.
Doubledealer, Astrotrain, Apeface, Snapdragon, Micromasters, Airwave, Ironworks, Spinister, Fasttrack, Scorponok, Crosshairs, Arcee, Sky Lynx, Allicons, and Quintessons all say that there's plenty of room for '86-'88. And Goldbug was IN the cartoon - Bumblebee got rebuilt into Goldbug in "The Return of Optimus Prime" and continued to be Goldbug in "The Rebirth". And unlike Bumblebee's regular bod, Goldbug has yet to receive an adequate toy.Jeddostotle7 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:TR Bumblebee may have been deemed close enough. Also, you do realize who Goldbug is right?
Yes, and I don't think that form of Bee is gonna be Hasbro's first choice when making a Bee for this line, given its "heavily skewing to 84-85, particularly cartoon depictions" nature.
And yet, they opened with Cliffjumper.Jeddostotle7 wrote:Plus, it's already been 4 years since TR Bee.
Thing is, TR/Legends Bee is fairly close already. And the Classic Beetle is a tad harder to genericize than the New Beetle or Cliffjumper's Porsche 924 altmode is.Jeddostotle7 wrote:They're probably itching to do a proper classic as-close-as-they're-willing-to-get-to-"be-all-end-all" Geewun Bumblebee like they've done with other characters in this line.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Doubledealer, Astrotrain, Apeface, Snapdragon, Micromasters, Airwave, Ironworks, Spinister, Fasttrack, Scorponok, Crosshairs, Arcee, Sky Lynx, Allicons, and Quintessons all say that there's plenty of room for '86-'88. And Goldbug was IN the cartoon - Bumblebee got rebuilt into Goldbug in "The Return of Optimus Prime" and continued to be Goldbug in "The Rebirth". And unlike Bumblebee's regular bod, Goldbug has yet to receive an adequate toy.Jeddostotle7 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:TR Bumblebee may have been deemed close enough. Also, you do realize who Goldbug is right?
Yes, and I don't think that form of Bee is gonna be Hasbro's first choice when making a Bee for this line, given its "heavily skewing to 84-85, particularly cartoon depictions" nature.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:And yet, they opened with Cliffjumper.Jeddostotle7 wrote:Plus, it's already been 4 years since TR Bee.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Thing is, TR/Legends Bee is fairly close already. And the Classic Beetle is a tad harder to genericize than the New Beetle or Cliffjumper's Porsche 924 altmode is.Jeddostotle7 wrote:They're probably itching to do a proper classic as-close-as-they're-willing-to-get-to-"be-all-end-all" Geewun Bumblebee like they've done with other characters in this line.
I'm just saying, 86-88's presence isn't exactly minorJeddostotle7 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Doubledealer, Astrotrain, Apeface, Snapdragon, Micromasters, Airwave, Ironworks, Spinister, Fasttrack, Scorponok, Crosshairs, Arcee, Sky Lynx, Allicons, and Quintessons all say that there's plenty of room for '86-'88. And Goldbug was IN the cartoon - Bumblebee got rebuilt into Goldbug in "The Return of Optimus Prime" and continued to be Goldbug in "The Rebirth". And unlike Bumblebee's regular bod, Goldbug has yet to receive an adequate toy.Jeddostotle7 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:TR Bumblebee may have been deemed close enough. Also, you do realize who Goldbug is right?
Yes, and I don't think that form of Bee is gonna be Hasbro's first choice when making a Bee for this line, given its "heavily skewing to 84-85, particularly cartoon depictions" nature.
"Heavily skewing 84-85" =/= "Won't do anything outside of 84-85".
Only by 2 years.Jeddostotle7 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:And yet, they opened with Cliffjumper.Jeddostotle7 wrote:Plus, it's already been 4 years since TR Bee.
Yeah, cuz it's been even longer since he's gotten Generations representation.
New Beetle, definitely, considering the Classics Bumblebee mold. Vintage, I'm not so sure.Jeddostotle7 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Thing is, TR/Legends Bee is fairly close already. And the Classic Beetle is a tad harder to genericize than the New Beetle or Cliffjumper's Porsche 924 altmode is.Jeddostotle7 wrote:They're probably itching to do a proper classic as-close-as-they're-willing-to-get-to-"be-all-end-all" Geewun Bumblebee like they've done with other characters in this line.
TR Bee's alt mode isn't even close enough to something like a New Beetle to be considered genericized, though. I think it's possible to get a lot closer to a Beetle, Classic or New, before it verges on too close to do without licensing.
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