aronjlove wrote:Is this a trilogy of toys to support the media, much like the previous trilogy, or is a trilogy media to support the toys. To me, the Prime Wars trilogy was a chance to make some awesome figures of characters that are back in people's minds thanks to the IDW comics. That's why we got so many IDW favorites in IDW colors and looks. Or at least that was for Combiner Ways and Titans Return. Power of the Primes went off on its own. I'm just saying, if these toys are to support the media then I doubt we would see a mainline figure that is not in the cartoon. Selects is a whole different beast and anything goes there. But for the mainline, it should be straight forward. Especially since this is a love letter to G1 and in the beginning of G1, most of the figures were those in the show.
blackeyedprime wrote:I'm kinda hoping for a selects or netflix earthrise prime with out the (lackluster) trailer and a better paint job/chest windows. If earth rise megatrons anything to go by, third part optimus might just be earth rise prime with sieges legs to hide the wheels in bot mode.
G2 hero sure shot/optimus and the car robots style optimus that was in armadas opening episode would be nice though probably impossible on that one.
Skritz wrote:At the risk of repeating myself: Siege wasn't the problem and Earthrise was only kind of the problem. We're getting fairly 'definitive' versions of these characters outside of Masterpiece. The problem is Hasbro is currently 'stuck' in an era and mentality where its 'brand identity', meaning those recognisable '80 designs, are what keeps it afloat and what they hold to be important to the brand. It is, in their minds, what define Transformers. Meaning you need a red and blue classic-looking Optimus every year and a gray Megatron with a bucket helmet and a fusion canon. Maybe a Starscream who is a grey/red/blue jet and a Bumblebee, all preferably in the very geometric and recognisable style of the 1984 cartoon.
That's fine right now. Problem is, what is thing going to do next line? Or next Trilogy? This is where the fandom and the general consumer clash. Hasbro want, nay need those recognisable designs. To a long term fan, these things can be 'skipped'. However Hasbro want those brand-related icons to constantly be available should either an old fan return to collecting or a kid want those characters. We are at an impass and so is Hasbro. In the 2000, as long as it what a red and blue truck with the iconic mouthplate it was good enough to be an Optimus Prime toy. Now that's not good enough. It has to be the 1984-style G1 Optimus. It's the toy that sell. Or something.
The problem is in recent years Hasbro has not only run out of old Optimus toys to redo and their design team will not take the risk to invent a completely new design. That's the problem with this brand: it's stagnating, or in a position where the 'evergreen'/classic/CHUG stuff is going to stagnate.
To me this is perfectly embodied from the transition of the TF Prime era to today. TF Prime was very classic-looking while having its own unique visual flair. However, if you look at TF Prime, then Rid 2015 to Cyberverse each time things get more and more GEEWUN. Hell, even the live action movies have now thrown their hands in the air and gone '**** it, live action GEEWUN!'
Skritz wrote:Or how about a line where all the 'legacy/classic' (meaning '84 guys and the famous movie-era, like Hot Rod) have different altmode (and happen to be pretools of someone else?). How about a missile truck Megatron? A Rodimus fire truck that's a Pyro pretool? There are work around.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Skritz wrote:Or how about a line where all the 'legacy/classic' (meaning '84 guys and the famous movie-era, like Hot Rod) have different altmode (and happen to be pretools of someone else?). How about a missile truck Megatron? A Rodimus fire truck that's a Pyro pretool? There are work around.
I don't know if you're aware of it, but...:
Concept for Return of Convoy but dropped, reused for the Brave cousin line as Duke Fire. Google it
Skritz wrote:To me this is perfectly embodied from the transition of the TF Prime era to today. TF Prime was very classic-looking while having its own unique visual flair. However, if you look at TF Prime, then Rid 2015 to Cyberverse each time things get more and more GEEWUN. Hell, even the live action movies have now thrown their hands in the air and gone '**** it, live action GEEWUN!'
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
It may also have to do with the fact that Archer's team from 2014 and back and Warden's team from 2014-Present had very different mindsets. Archer's team was all about trying new things and not "going backwards" with the brand, while Warden's team is all about the G1 nostalgia and brand recognition.Deadput wrote:Skritz wrote:To me this is perfectly embodied from the transition of the TF Prime era to today. TF Prime was very classic-looking while having its own unique visual flair. However, if you look at TF Prime, then Rid 2015 to Cyberverse each time things get more and more GEEWUN. Hell, even the live action movies have now thrown their hands in the air and gone '**** it, live action GEEWUN!'
This is why they should of gotten it "right" back then, if the movies started off with more G1 for familiarity while easing into more original concepts with time we could of moved on and done something else by now or better yet have two separate sets of media existing at the same time something for G1 fans while having something more original for refreshment.
The reason for all the G1 type stuff in the recent years was because of the non-successes of several of the more "daring" ideas which has scared Hasbro back into doing safe options to recoup losses.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:It may also have to do with the fact that Archer's team from 2014 and back and Warden's team from 2014-Present had very different mindsets. Archer's team was all about trying new things and not "going backwards" with the brand, while Warden's team is all about the G1 nostalgia and brand recognition.
Archer's team went more for diversity and a non-standard identity for the brand (until they tried and failed to make one via the Aligned media) while Warden's team strives more for consistency and a more uniform brand identity.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Yep, it's a double-edged sword. Either we get brand inconsistency with a messy identity that always gives us new stuff and the occasional throwback to various iterations across the years (not just the most recognizable ones) but in ways that don't always accurately reflect how some characters are "supposed to" look, or we get brand consistency with a stable and recognizable identity but which is locked into a singular definite mindset that very rarely breaks into totally new things and even more rarely homages the less recognizable iterations of the past, but the things it does give us do mostly strive to resemble how the characters are "supposed to" look.Skritz wrote:That may be good and all from a brand standpoint but it basically forever relegate most things outside of G1 to basically be in the past, an anomaly or even a 'deviation' from what is now deemed to be the OneTrueVersion.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Beast Wars ISN'T relevant to G1. If there was no Beast Wars, G1 would still be the same. It's the other way around. G1 is relevant to Beast Wars. It's things from G1 such as the Ark and Megatron on the Golden Disk and the arrival of a reformatted Ravage that are a part of Beast Wars. Do you see anything from Beast Wars that was in G1 which foreshadowed the coming of that continuity?Skritz wrote:Yeah and Warden is also a **** nugget who think Beast Wars isn't relevant to G1.
Probably more in the direction of fleshing out the Vok.Rodimus Prime wrote:Sometimes I wonder if the Ark and its occupants were never included, what direction the story would have gone and how it would have ended up.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
And when the Bee movie was released, after seeing it the majority of the fandom (including a lot of people from these boards, myself excluded) damn near creamed their undies because of it. Why? Because FINALLY there were G1 designs in the movie! Like it or not, G1 is the major driving force of the Transformers brand. In every single main stream iteration and continuity, there are at least influences of G1, if not outright uses of G1 likenesses. From character names to designs and story lines, most of what appears in a series on screen or on toy shelves has a connection to G1 somehow. Not everything, but most things.Skritz wrote:even the live action movies have now thrown their hands in the air and gone '**** it, live action GEEWUN!'
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