Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:20 pm

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TF-fan kev777 wrote:I think you are overlooking the amount of space Scorponok eats up as compared to ML Starscream. Of all the targets near me (about 8 ), only the Super Target carried Scorponok. None of them had enough shelf space to carry it except the Super Target. MP Screamer uses less than 1/2 the shelf space than Scorponok, and MP ratchet, 1/2 the space that MP Screamer does and only 1/4 the space Scorponok does.

Makes perfect sense why they would choose that way when you look at the perspective of "Where the hell are we going to put that?"

Also, as for seeing wanting to see a Titan in hand first, what do you specifically want to see, the box? It isn't like the smaller figures where you can pick out the best deco, or see if any pieces are missing.


I understand about shelfspace, but when Scorponok is guaranteed to sell, and they mark MPM Starscream 1/2 off after about a month of being out?, then replace it with another MPM that takes up less space, but won't sell any better...It's pretty obvious which toy would have been better to stock more of, in spite of how large it's box was

Scorponok isn't even remotely guaranteed to sell more than the MPMs. Neither are. They are high price items, neither would sell better by default.

The MPM price was incredibly strange, if the same happened to Scorponok, he'd be considered a bomb. Considering the Shockwave's still sitting around at full price, I don't think we can automatically assume a G1 toy would sell better either
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:32 pm

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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I don't think we can automatically assume a G1 toy would sell better either


I think the fact that ER Scorp instantly sells out is proof enough, while MPM has to be clearanced for someone to even be interested.

But do we know how many ER Scorponoks went to retail vs MPM Starscreams? It's pretty obvious since ER Scorp sells out instantly (what few there were), it wasn't a bomb. Heck even if you moved things around a little

Say 10,000 units of MPM went to Target stores and 1000 ER Scorponoks....

Change that to 2500 Scorponoks and only 8500 MPM Starscreams, that would make Scorp a bit more readily available, and while it would not instantly sell out, it would at least be visible for a time, and Target would make way more profit.

Also Siege Shockwave wasn't that great a toy, kind of like MPM Starscream, and wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy overproduced.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:39 pm

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o.supreme wrote:I think the fact that ER Scorp instantly sells out is proof enough, while MPM has to be clearanced for someone to even be interested.

MPM Starscream did not have a pre-order for the Hasbro one, it was a Target exclusive, it literally came in stock, no pre-order. Scorp had pre-orders in February, 6 months of pre-orders. Huge difference.

2nd point to this point: We know the Titans have been drastically cut back since Trypticon. They are almost being made to pre-order and that is about it. Lest we forget that Omega was the first titan not to see deep discount months after release.
o.supreme wrote:Also Siege Shockwave wasn't that great a toy, kind of like MPM Starscream, and wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy overproduced.

Again incorrect, Siege Shockwave was a pretty good toy. He was overproduced, but again goes to show the weakness and inconsistency of clearance items: he has shelfwarmed for over a year and no discount, while another was a fresh release with no preorder and went on clearance after only a month. The sales are not consistent.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:27 pm

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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Again incorrect, Siege Shockwave was a pretty good toy. He was overproduced, but again goes to show the weakness and inconsistency of clearance items: he has shelfwarmed for over a year and no discount, while another was a fresh release with no preorder and went on clearance after only a month. The sales are not consistent.

This is correct, siege shockwave uses the same store inventory number as earthrise doubledealer, and (likely) will share the same inventory number as kingdom bw megs - they're all the same in targets eyes - you can't clearance one without affecting all the others; the only way to do that (and the smart way) is to change the inventory numbers along with the line a 'la the way it was done with the prime wars trilogy
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

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Hellscream9999 wrote:This is correct, siege shockwave uses the same store inventory number as earthrise doubledealer, and (likely) will share the same inventory number as kingdom bw megs - they're all the same in targets eyes
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:51 pm

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:55 pm

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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Again incorrect, Siege Shockwave was a pretty good toy. He was overproduced, but again goes to show the weakness and inconsistency of clearance items: he has shelfwarmed for over a year and no discount, while another was a fresh release with no preorder and went on clearance after only a month. The sales are not consistent.

This is correct, siege shockwave uses the same store inventory number as earthrise doubledealer, and (likely) will share the same inventory number as kingdom bw megs - they're all the same in targets eyes - you can't clearance one without affecting all the others; the only way to do that (and the smart way) is to change the inventory numbers along with the line a 'la the way it was done with the prime wars trilogy
Did they change them, though? There was a Combiner Wars Starscream that had been lingering on the shelves at one Target in my area throughout Titans Return and was still there well into Power of the Primes. And when I scanned him? He had the same price as a PotP Leader.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:02 pm

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I didn't realize until tonight just how few WFC cons have 5mm ports on the sides of their arms. I wanted to equip doublecrosser to a con, but it took a while to find one with the properly placed port. He ended up with Snapdragon

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Sowndwave76 » Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:20 pm

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Hope you're right... I guess maybe I should be more worried about getting ahold of Netflix Soundwave.

Did you have difficulty finding any of the first assortment WFC Netflix figures?


No, I actually wasn’t real interested in the vast majority of those.
Only ended up getting Hotlink.

I said that because I have a bad feeling that Slundwave is going to be really difficult to find...
I actually also want Netflix Bumblebee & Barricade.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Sowndwave76 » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:19 pm

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Poly Wraith wrote:I just realized I am also having a discussion with you in the Kingdom thread. We should be buds.

Sowndwave76 wrote:I think the next time we get some of these characters in a regular line, there will be another gimmick of some sort which shifts the aesthetic away from the classic G1 stylings...now that we're getting some really solid G1-looking characters, it's difficult for me to believe that it'll be sooner than later that we'll get them again.

This is kinda what I've been thinking. If this is the case it could end up being an exciting toyline or something really off-putting.

Sowndwave76 wrote:And for me personally, will I still be collecting 3-5 years from now??? Maybe, but I'm really pretty happy with what I currently have.
I wouldn't doubt if after the ER and SS86 lines I take another lengthy collecting hiatus.

Again, we think (and collect action figures) alike.

Sowndwave76 wrote:My advice would be to get the two pack...
You could probably sell Ironhide if you really end up not liking him.
If you're okay with getting $20 for him, I'd feel pretty confident that someone would buy him for that price. Then you've spent $20 on Prowl like you would for any other deluxe.

Right right. I think it's hard to make a decision to buy something that I know I'll be turning around and selling as soon as I open the box. But then again, there could be someone out there who wants Ironhide and not Prowl, kind of like I want Prowl and not Ironhide. Ehhh I'll just have to think on it some more.


I decided a long while back that I was only going to collect Decepticons...
ER (& now the SS86) has been a game changer in that regard.
But I’m still really selective. In general I get buyer’s remorse really easily.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Sowndwave76 » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:27 pm

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BTW, the Smokescreen I ordered through Amazon is going to arrive on Thursday!!
Which is actually a month earlier than what my order confirmation stated.
& last I looked he’s $18.84 if anyone else was looking for him.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Tuned Agent » Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:25 pm

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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I didn't realize until tonight just how few WFC cons have 5mm ports on the sides of their arms. I wanted to equip doublecrosser to a con, but it took a while to find one with the properly placed port. He ended up with Snapdragon

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You could connect another ramp dude to Doublecrosser and peg all that into Dirge's forearm, to be held riot shield style. :-?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:54 pm

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Sowndwave76 wrote:BTW, the Smokescreen I ordered through Amazon is going to arrive on Thursday!!
Which is actually a month earlier than what my order confirmation stated.
& last I looked he’s $18.84 if anyone else was looking for him.
I just got my notice of his arrival as well. I hope it won't get delayed like some of the other figures I ordered then had to cancel. >:oP
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby King Kuuga » Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:37 am

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:37 am

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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I didn't realize until tonight just how few WFC cons have 5mm ports on the sides of their arms. I wanted to equip doublecrosser to a con, but it took a while to find one with the properly placed port. He ended up with Snapdragon
-snipped-

You could connect another ramp dude to Doublecrosser and peg all that into Dirge's forearm, to be held riot shield style. :-?
I like that idea.

The thing about the WFC Decepticons is that several of them are the Seekers, and so 5mm ports beyond the shoulder ones traditionally occupied by the Seekers' guns would have been hard to accommodate. Most of the other WFC Decepticon molds (Shockwave, Soundwave, Apeface (who has ports in forearms, shoulders, and elbows), Astrotrain, both forms of Megatron, Snapdragon, Reflector, Brunt, Fasttrack, Runamuck, and Runabout) fare better on that score.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Cyberpath » Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:02 am

Got my first Transformer for 2020 -- Optimus Prime!

Was going to wait for a more accurate deco but it didn't seem like it was going to happen anytime soon. (Look how long it took Takara to do the cartoon Dinobots and Terrorcons.) Figured that it's close enough "as is." And the missing yellow I can probably add on my own.

First impressions -- the trailer is so cute! It's like a mini MP.
Transformation is clever, HasTak continues to surprise me. I love how the front of the truck just folds like paper into torso revealing a muscular physique and a rather clean back (unlike Siege with a beach table on his back.) If they had managed to hide the wheels in the legs by flipping a panel it'd been even more awesome. I can understand the wheels on the back, they've pretty much exhausted all the free space in the torso. It would have also been cool if the head-sculpt was more like MP-44.
Is there a way to paint his face silver at least? No visible screw.

This line is crushing it. Sometimes I kind of wish it had come out years ago, before I got into MP, because WfC takes less space on the shelf, the characters get released pretty quickly, they're cheaper, articulation's good and the accuracy is adequate. The only real fail is the part-forming on figures like Arcee and Bee.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Cyberpath » Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:52 am

Second TF -- Snapdragon!

This is kinda nicer than Apeface. Lots of hidden compartments. And no part-forming/shield thing. Kind of wish the Horrorcons came out with the rest of the Headmasters, when I had more interest. Though they'd probably been not as good.

Now waiting for the Quintessons. I think they were supposed to come out in July.
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New Video Review of Transformers Earthrise Deluxe Class Barricade

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:58 am

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Greetings Seibertronians! Fellow Seibertron user, Tuned Agent, has let us know that YouTube toy reviewer, Kremzeek Reviews, has dropped a review for Transformers Earthrise Deluxe Class Barricade! Whlle this toy hasn't been officially announced from Hasbro yet there is already speculation as to what line it will be released in. The rumour mill has stated that while it was slated to go into Generations Selects, it was moved to be part of Earthrise's Odyssey Collection that us exclusive to Amazon.

The toy itself is a redeco of the Earthrise datsun mold, marking it as the fourth use of the mold.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Bone Age » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:02 am

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If you pass on the 2 pack, I don’t blame you, & we can still be buds.

Exactly the same. I had a bunch of thoughts I was about to type out in response but then I realized there's probably a thread somewhere around here more appropriately dedicated to this kind of thing...so I won't clog up the Earthrise thread with my TF buying woes lol.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Overcracker » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:39 am

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Cyberpath wrote:...
If they had managed to hide the wheels in the legs by flipping a panel it'd been even more awesome. I can understand the wheels on the back, they've pretty much exhausted all the free space in the torso.


Interestingly enough, they left the wheel hinge from Siege Prime's legs which allows you to rotate the wheels to the other side of the lower legs on Siege Prime, in Earth Rise Prime's legs, but negated it completely by adding the back panel.

So, yes, potentially they could have made it to hide the wheels, but chose to disable the option for some reason.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:51 am

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If they had managed to hide the wheels in the legs by flipping a panel it'd been even more awesome. I can understand the wheels on the back, they've pretty much exhausted all the free space in the torso.


Interestingly enough, they left the wheel hinge from Siege Prime's legs which allows you to rotate the wheels to the other side of the lower legs on Siege Prime, in Earth Rise Prime's legs, but negated it completely by adding the back panel.

So, yes, potentially they could have made it to hide the wheels, but chose to disable the option for some reason.


I think that reason was 1) to save money and 2) to give the figure a nicer looking back than Siege since the Siege version had so many negative comments on the top of the truck hanging out on his back. The panels they added clean up the back of the legs in bot mode and was probably a cheaper option than re-doing the legs completely.

My perfect prime would be the legs and ab wheels from Siege prime with Earthrise primes upper half somehow merged into a single figure.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Overcracker » Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:23 am

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TF-fan kev777 wrote:
Overcracker wrote:
Cyberpath wrote:...
If they had managed to hide the wheels in the legs by flipping a panel it'd been even more awesome. I can understand the wheels on the back, they've pretty much exhausted all the free space in the torso.


Interestingly enough, they left the wheel hinge from Siege Prime's legs which allows you to rotate the wheels to the other side of the lower legs on Siege Prime, in Earth Rise Prime's legs, but negated it completely by adding the back panel.

So, yes, potentially they could have made it to hide the wheels, but chose to disable the option for some reason.


I think that reason was 1) to save money and 2) to give the figure a nicer looking back than Siege since the Siege version had so many negative comments on the top of the truck hanging out on his back. The panels they added clean up the back of the legs in bot mode and was probably a cheaper option than re-doing the legs completely.

My perfect prime would be the legs and ab wheels from Siege prime with Earthrise primes upper half somehow merged into a single figure.


I had the same backpack issues as most when I first saw the figure. Looked like a pointless light bar and panel and honestly it still is, but once in hand its not as egregious in robot mode as you may think.

Also I'm surprised nobody has designed a replacement part for him. The light bar panel is completely unnecessary in either mode, and a replacement bar could be made so the vehicle mode looks more G1.

All it does is hold on to the front of the truck mode. So a thinner panel without the lights can be made to serve the same purpose and produce much less of a backpack. The truck front would then be visible on the back but what you gonna do.

But yes, the tires collapsing into the torso where the arms used to be is a great bit of engineering, bit not sure whether I like EarthRise's side panels better or not. Its difficult to choose. Both have things I like and both have things that bother me.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:16 pm

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IMO trying to hide the wheels is a dumb, unnecessary feature that's not with the cost and adds complexity that doesn't need to be there. They shouldn't do it with the calf wheels, and should stop trying it with the hip wheels. Just leave them at the hips on articulated struts like you did with Cybertron Optimus and ROTF Optimus, Hasbro. It would save so much smegging trouble.

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Postby kirbenvost » Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:25 pm

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Barricade looks good, if a little plain. I feel like black shoulders and purple windows would really help but of course the windows would take away some realism from the alt mode.

The Datsuns all look so good together though. Hopefully Amazon Canada gets it together and actually releases the delayed Prowl/Ironhide 2 pack. Finally got word my Smokescreen is in so I guess he'll be the first of the new mold for me.

Back to Barricade, I keep hearing that there will actually be 2 different decos, one being in the Netflix line? It will be interesting to see the difference if true.
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