The Energon Pub

[Flashwave]

How is it logical that Shockwave can have 4 arms and still only 1 hand?

[ausbot]

I hope Ultra magnus gets a Delta magnus repaint.

[Ultra Markus]

To be fair, I think it's likely that scorpy will see a release as the the titan after omega since he's the last big guy to sort out (who we get for titans after that will be interesting to see)

Between TRU closing, Hasbro being forced to release a bunch of employees, Leader class shrinking, and a lot of Walmarts not even carrying Leaders I'm not sure if we'll see another Titan after Scorponok assuming we get him at all. Hasbro seems to be having increasing trouble getting large Transformers into US retail and they aren't worth the risks.

Emerje

if thats the case, once again we get shorted on the figures we should get like how we got shorted with POTP we got shorted with TITANS Return in a way we should have had other figures other than roadburn, rereleases of cosmos and shrapnel and now we will get shorted Scorponok in all his headmaster glory
because they decide they dont want to risk it? lets just hope that titan Omega Supreme does well enough that they will consider giving Scorponok a chance, i just had to rant there but i really like everything i see so far with WAR FOR CYBERTRON i certainly hope they surprise us with some awesome ****!

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Saw this on Twitter and had to share: What if Shockwave's armor is designed to mount on Omega Supreme? Like, Omega's head can come off, and Shockwave's armor can replace it in a reference to the Animated Lugnut Supremes?

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Maybe the Leader Optimus Prime is a bigger, badder Generations version of Laser Rod Optimus Prime. They already did him in TR but that was a Voyager with a trailer that was part of the robot body. I don't think they could do a box trailer based on the G1 toy at the Leader size class while having a Voyager cab robot, not without it being short like the trailers on Armada and Energon Optimus. This is why Ultra Magnus has an RiD-based trailer instead of a G1-based one. Giving him a G1-based trailer at its full size would require him being Supreme-class.

Man, if they have a Leader Optimus in eacb line it's going to suck and warm shelves like crazy.

If they can't keep it fresh, then yeah it probably will.

Well I like the current scale, so whatever.

But what is the current (or previous scale?)

My current collection began mostly with Titans Return, with some Combiner Wars and the odd T30 toy. Which mean for the most part everything fits together nicely with some decent scale and some shared aesthetics.

The way I see it, Siege Voyager Optimus is one of the exceptions. If he is indeed the same size as Classics Optimus then much like Classics Optimus he passes by the skin of his teeth at best and even then only among those in the same line. And in Classics Optimus' case that's being charitable.
It would be nice if Seibertron had included CW Optimus in the comparison photos, or otherwise had included a ruler, so I could be more sure...

What does irk me a bit is that Starscream got promoted to Voyager Class, but that's me being used to most jets being in Deluxe Class.

Going by the cartoon and the old toys, I consider Voyager the proper size for the Seekers in CHUG anyway and am glad they finally started on doing them at that size. The Deluxe Seekers scale better with G1s than they do with most CHUG and other modern figures!

[ZeroWolf]

Saw this on Twitter and had to share: What if Shockwave's armor is designed to mount on Omega Supreme? Like, Omega's head can come off, and Shockwave's armor can replace it in a reference to the Animated Lugnut Supremes?

That's interesting Only way to check is when someone gets an in hand shockwave and has a look at the bottom of his hover platform... Thing.

[Sentinel_Primal]

Saw this on Twitter and had to share: What if Shockwave's armor is designed to mount on Omega Supreme? Like, Omega's head can come off, and Shockwave's armor can replace it in a reference to the Animated Lugnut Supremes?

Oh my god, I'd love it if that would happen, but unfortunately I don't think it will

[crash8burnt]

Oh no argument here about Shockwave but I do believe it's because the voyager slots were full. Though on saying that, did they need to release Springer here? Or is that because they plan on releasing all the wreckers over the next three years...

I think we are pretty set on wreckers aside from Ironfist, with impactor coming later next year. I think Springer was chosen because they wanted another autobot for a voyager slot (since most are decepticons) and of all the voyager class toys one would need for this redo of G1, Gen Springer was both the oldest triplechanger left to redo and least true to his G1 look (boxy helicopter). Of course that also goes for Sandstorm but that character is much less famous. Basically, I think they wanted all their heavy hitters present in Siege.

Who else would you have picked to fill the vyager slot for an Autobot?

Who to pick for voyager?? That's an easy choice : Ironhide! There's so many bots to fill in the deluxe and Ironhide got to be voyager class. Only Hasbro finds it hard to decided.. They should go back to the G1 toys era, where the releasing of bots and cons were fairly even and matching. Do away this silly wave thing, where the selection and distribution of the toys were so messed up since the prime wars. Still fuming where I couldn't complete the pretenders with the missing Waverider?!?!, incomplete triple changers, only cons targetmasters without any bots to go along ?!?! (not counting kup and hot rod), only leader class prime and rod without meg and gal, and so on.

Earlier on I heard that Hasbro got into some difficulties. I was actually quite hopeful that another company can take over the making of transformers. I know this is close to impossible. The 3rd parties are producing so many matching bots and cons with quality materials. So cmon Hasbro, if u can do it in the 80s, Im sure u can do a better job now.

[Wolfman Jake]

Oh no argument here about Shockwave but I do believe it's because the voyager slots were full. Though on saying that, did they need to release Springer here? Or is that because they plan on releasing all the wreckers over the next three years...

I think we are pretty set on wreckers aside from Ironfist, with impactor coming later next year. I think Springer was chosen because they wanted another autobot for a voyager slot (since most are decepticons) and of all the voyager class toys one would need for this redo of G1, Gen Springer was both the oldest triplechanger left to redo and least true to his G1 look (boxy helicopter). Of course that also goes for Sandstorm but that character is much less famous. Basically, I think they wanted all their heavy hitters present in Siege.

Who else would you have picked to fill the vyager slot for an Autobot?

Who to pick for voyager?? That's an easy choice : Ironhide! There's so many bots to fill in the deluxe and Ironhide got to be voyager class. Only Hasbro finds it hard to decided.. They should go back to the G1 toys era, where the releasing of bots and cons were fairly even and matching. Do away this silly wave thing, where the selection and distribution of the toys were so messed up since the prime wars. Still fuming where I couldn't complete the pretenders with the missing Waverider?!?!, incomplete triple changers, only cons targetmasters without any bots to go along ?!?! (not counting kup and hot rod), only leader class prime and rod without meg and gal, and so on.

Earlier on I heard that Hasbro got into some difficulties. I was actually quite hopeful that another company can take over the making of transformers. I know this is close to impossible. The 3rd parties are producing so many matching bots and cons with quality materials. So cmon Hasbro, if u can do it in the 80s, Im sure u can do a better job now.

I would have wanted Ironhide (and Ratchet) to be Voyager Class as well, but given that Optimus Prime is a fairly typically sized Voyager for recent years, it makes sense that Ironhide and Ratchet would perhaps be a little too big for that size class, unless they came with a LOT of accessories to compensate for the mass difference. I'm hoping that Hasbro has pulled a nice "Studio Series" with Siege and we'll find that the Ironhide mold is actually quite large for a Deluxe, expanding out into a bigger robot mode than might be expected from the alt mode, similar to Studio Series Ratchet. This would put Ironhide and Ratchet in about the right height compared to their Autobot contemporaries, larger than the cars, but still a bit shorter than Optimus Prime.

I think what we really need are bigger versions of Trailbreaker and Hoist. Their Thrilling 30 versions are small, even for Deluxe Class figures, when they should be scaled with the likes of Ironhide and Ratchet. Plus, while their T30 figures are pretty nice, they're decidedly IDW inspired and not very G1 toy or cartoon accurate otherwise. I'd also like to see a new Inferno and Grapple too, although I do love their Universe/Henkei/RtS/United versions, they're a bit too big in robot mode compared to the rest of the "Generations" Voyager Class figures, particularly Optimus Prime.

[Skritz]

It is entirely possible to get a deluxe which is slightly bigger on the same price point: see the Jumpstarter mold in Titans Return. While they aren't that much bigger they have a slight edge over other deluxes in height and width without having any more hollow parts or crappier engineering. They're just designed to be a bit less compact, I imagine.

[Galvatronian]

Kup from TR is pretty tall too, I think slightly taller than those jumpstarters. And we have heard those rumours about ironhide sharing some of his engineering, right?

[william-james88]

Sure the channels of purchasing are changing but that is for retail as a whole and it doesnt mean there are less sales.

If it were business as usual then Hasbro wouldn't be laying off 10% of their work force (estimated between 500 and 600 employees) as a direct result of TRU closing in the US right before their busiest time of the year.

I looked for a source for that, and found it, but saw that it is just speculation. Both that number 10% and the cause are not confirmed. The only thing confirmed to be in direct relation to TRU closing affecting Hasbro is the current lawsuit.

[william-james88]

Kup from TR is pretty tall too, I think slightly taller than those jumpstarters. And we have heard those rumours about ironhide sharing some of his engineering, right?

Its not rumours, its just assumptions based on their chests seemingly being the same.

[Nightbeat339]

Oh no argument here about Shockwave but I do believe it's because the voyager slots were full. Though on saying that, did they need to release Springer here? Or is that because they plan on releasing all the wreckers over the next three years...

I think we are pretty set on wreckers aside from Ironfist, with impactor coming later next year. I think Springer was chosen because they wanted another autobot for a voyager slot (since most are decepticons) and of all the voyager class toys one would need for this redo of G1, Gen Springer was both the oldest triplechanger left to redo and least true to his G1 look (boxy helicopter). Of course that also goes for Sandstorm but that character is much less famous. Basically, I think they wanted all their heavy hitters present in Siege.

Who else would you have picked to fill the vyager slot for an Autobot?

Who to pick for voyager?? That's an easy choice : Ironhide! There's so many bots to fill in the deluxe and Ironhide got to be voyager class. Only Hasbro finds it hard to decided.. They should go back to the G1 toys era, where the releasing of bots and cons were fairly even and matching. Do away this silly wave thing, where the selection and distribution of the toys were so messed up since the prime wars. Still fuming where I couldn't complete the pretenders with the missing Waverider?!?!, incomplete triple changers, only cons targetmasters without any bots to go along ?!?! (not counting kup and hot rod), only leader class prime and rod without meg and gal, and so on.

Earlier on I heard that Hasbro got into some difficulties. I was actually quite hopeful that another company can take over the making of transformers. I know this is close to impossible. The 3rd parties are producing so many matching bots and cons with quality materials. So cmon Hasbro, if u can do it in the 80s, Im sure u can do a better job now.

I completely agree with your sentiment. Waverider's my favorite Pretender, yet he's the only one out of the OG four to not get a new figure? Come on hasbro.
I'm still holding out hope that the Autobot target masters will be released in the second or third year of WFC, same with a new version of Sandstorm. I missed out on the T30 release and it really bugs me that Springer's getting a new figure, but not him.

[Skritz]

Autobot Targetmasters seem plausible if the WFC line stay in this same course. Especially if they can work them in as pretools to someone more bankable.

[Deadput]

Earlier on I heard that Hasbro got into some difficulties. I was actually quite hopeful that another company can take over the making of transformers. I know this is close to impossible. The 3rd parties are producing so many matching bots and cons with quality materials. So cmon Hasbro, if u can do it in the 80s, Im sure u can do a better job now.

Welcome to the last few months of 2018, it is not the 80's anymore so things aren't the same as back then and never will be.

[TF-fan kev777]

Hmmm, I wonder how many people would be happy versus pissed if Hasbro simply released the Waverider tooling as Battlemaster Waverider with the blast effect replacing the prime master?

[Dr. Caelus]

Ironhide and Ratchet would have been good voyagers if they'd revived the battle/repair platform gimmick from G1. Figures could have been slightly larger than avg deluxe, and their C.O.M.B.A.T. platforms would have made up the difference between them and the voyager class.

[Wireless_Phantom]

Oh no argument here about Shockwave but I do believe it's because the voyager slots were full. Though on saying that, did they need to release Springer here? Or is that because they plan on releasing all the wreckers over the next three years...

I think we are pretty set on wreckers aside from Ironfist, with impactor coming later next year. I think Springer was chosen because they wanted another autobot for a voyager slot (since most are decepticons) and of all the voyager class toys one would need for this redo of G1, Gen Springer was both the oldest triplechanger left to redo and least true to his G1 look (boxy helicopter). Of course that also goes for Sandstorm but that character is much less famous. Basically, I think they wanted all their heavy hitters present in Siege.

Who else would you have picked to fill the vyager slot for an Autobot?

Who to pick for voyager?? That's an easy choice : Ironhide! There's so many bots to fill in the deluxe and Ironhide got to be voyager class. Only Hasbro finds it hard to decided.. They should go back to the G1 toys era, where the releasing of bots and cons were fairly even and matching. Do away this silly wave thing, where the selection and distribution of the toys were so messed up since the prime wars. Still fuming where I couldn't complete the pretenders with the missing Waverider?!?!, incomplete triple changers, only cons targetmasters without any bots to go along ?!?! (not counting kup and hot rod), only leader class prime and rod without meg and gal, and so on.

Earlier on I heard that Hasbro got into some difficulties. I was actually quite hopeful that another company can take over the making of transformers. I know this is close to impossible. The 3rd parties are producing so many matching bots and cons with quality materials. So cmon Hasbro, if u can do it in the 80s, Im sure u can do a better job now.

Okay first off if you think the factions were balanced back then you are dead wrong. The Autobots massively outnumbered the Decepticons on the shelves up until 1986, when they became more balanced (which went completely out the window come 1990). Secondly Hasbro won't ever go back to the method they used to use where all the figures of a line would be released all at once and would be there until the next set of figures was released. Back then toys had a much longer shelf life and that was a reasonable strategy but if Hasbro did that now it would not work at all due to the shortened shelf life of the figures and there is a reason that is the case.

[Skritz]

Baltmatrix has a Sideswipe review up!

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

The wave system is how modern toy retail works, end of story. And as has been pointed out, you were wrong about G1 having perfect parity.

IMO Deluxe is a good size for Ironhide when it comes to scaling with other Autobots. Voyager would only work if the extra mass was used for weapons and letting him split into the robot and battle platform.

I do think Voyager is possibly a bit big for Springer, but some of it may be going to accessories. And we do need a more cartoon-based version than the T30 Springer. Hopefully the next WFC line gives us a matching Wreck-Gar

Kup from TR is pretty tall too, I think slightly taller than those jumpstarters. And we have heard those rumours about ironhide sharing some of his engineering, right?

Its not rumours, its just assumptions based on their chests seemingly being the same.

Well, looking at them, I do see similar hinging with the chests. Ironhide also looks to have some panelforming with his legs as Kup did but not quite to the same extent. And like Kup his arms end up behind his chest in vehicle mode.

[Seibertron]

Hmmm, I wonder how many people would be happy versus pissed if Hasbro simply released the Waverider tooling as Battlemaster Waverider with the blast effect replacing the prime master?

It would defeat the purpose of having a Waverider figure, since it's supposed to be a Pretender. What I don't understand is them not just releasing Waverider under SIEGE or finding a different home for him and other figures that got shortchanged.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Hmmm, I wonder how many people would be happy versus pissed if Hasbro simply released the Waverider tooling as Battlemaster Waverider with the blast effect replacing the prime master?

It would defeat the purpose of having a Waverider figure, since it's supposed to be a Pretender. What I don't understand is them not just releasing Waverider under SIEGE or finding a different home for him and other figures that got shortchanged.

Who knows, they might find a way to release Waverider/Amalgamous (Or Diver/Amalgamous if you prefer) yet. We should write in to them to make our desire clearly known.

I bet he wouldn't have been dropped from Wave 3 - which I would guess he was planned for since much like Megatronus/Bomb-Burst and Alpha Trion/Landmine the Prime Master has no new parts other than the spark sigil - if Grand Maximus had reached the required preorder target for a redeco of the shell to be included.

[Lunatic Prime]

Saw this on Twitter and had to share: What if Shockwave's armor is designed to mount on Omega Supreme? Like, Omega's head can come off, and Shockwave's armor can replace it in a reference to the Animated Lugnut Supremes?

That's interesting Only way to check is when someone gets an in hand shockwave and has a look at the bottom of his hover platform... Thing.

I'd say just turn the pod around and it looks like Shockwave's head and the 5 mm pegs for his feed peg into a neck.

[Lunatic Prime]

Who else would you have picked to fill the vyager slot for an Autobot?

Big Red

YES I KNEW I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE WHO REMEMBERED HIS EXISTENCE

I think the new JD Red Knight looks a bit like him.
https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/in-hand-images-hasbro-china-jingdong-exclusive-generations-jd-red-knight/42357/