The Energon Pub

[Skritz]

I'm glad we got a (leaked) pic for the Siege Leader Optimus but that inner robot isn't very exciting because we've seen it before via the IDW cover. I want to see the armor and big guns!

[william-james88]

I doubt we got Cybertron Prime from that poll

We didnt, that was a poll by takara to determine an MP for the japanese market. None of that is in play here. Hasbro already told us they want a leader prime on the shelves. They did PMOP, G1 with evolution, this is just another big Prime they can put on shelves in the gen line that they didnt do yet.

Its definitely dope that they are doing this for UT fans. It is a cool design.

[Ironhidensh]

Even with the simplified and smaller designs, I'd get super excited for an updated Super Fire Convoy, even if he didn't combine with a Magnus.

[chuckdawg1999]

Here's the real question: Will it be able to do this mode?

Part of the reason I’m so disappointed in PotP was specifically because they didnt have new version of Vector Prime, Nemesis Prime, Sentinal Prime (TR figure notwithstanding).

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What do you call the Amazon-exclusive PotP Nemesis Prime, then?
Also, the TR Sentinel Prime figure is exactly why there wasn't one in PotP
Frankly, I'm more disappointed by the number of Prime Masters (the guys the line was named for and who were its unifying gimmick) that got relegated to being exclusives with no Decoy Armor.

I forgot about this flight mode, such a great toy.

[Sabrblade]

Let's face it. They probably picked the Cybertron OP design over all other non-G1 Optimus Prime designs that have Super Modes because the Cybertron one looks the closest to an upgraded form of G1 Optimus Prime.

[william-james88]

Let's face it. They probably picked the Cybertron OP design over all other non-G1 Optimus Prime designs that have Super Modes because the Cybertron one looks the closest to an upgraded form of G1 Optimus Prime.

I read a joke somewhere, Hasbro was making a Cybertronian Otpimus Prime in his super mode, so they did a google search for cybertron optimus super mode and got this design right away

[Nemesis Maximo]

Part of the reason I’m so disappointed in PotP was specifically because they didnt have new version of Vector Prime, Nemesis Prime, Sentinal Prime (TR figure notwithstanding).

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What do you call the Amazon-exclusive PotP Nemesis Prime, then?

Or the Prime Master, eh?

Gah, okay jeez, yes, Nemesis Prime was made. I was specifically referring to Nova Prime, the White scary dude from IDW. My bad.

And I know Sentinal didn’t get a toy in PotP because of his TR toy, but come on.. If there was ever a time to give us awesome, original toy designs for the Primes, it was Power of the Primes.

[Manterax Prime]

Part of the reason I’m so disappointed in PotP was specifically because they didnt have new version of Vector Prime, Nemesis Prime, Sentinal Prime (TR figure notwithstanding).

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What do you call the Amazon-exclusive PotP Nemesis Prime, then?

Or the Prime Master, eh?

Gah, okay jeez, yes, Nemesis Prime was made. I was specifically referring to Nova Prime, the White scary dude from IDW. My bad.

And I know Sentinal didn’t get a toy in PotP because of his TR toy, but come on.. If there was ever a time to give us awesome, original toy designs for the Primes, it was Power of the Primes.

I'm with you on both counts. PotP was the perfect opportunity to give the rest of the Primes full fledged figures, but we got Titan Master proxies instead. And they had designs for Prima and Megatronus as remolds of Black Shadow.
And I too would love to see this new Leader Prime done up as IDW Nemesis.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Part of the reason I’m so disappointed in PotP was specifically because they didnt have new version of Vector Prime, Nemesis Prime, Sentinal Prime (TR figure notwithstanding).

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What do you call the Amazon-exclusive PotP Nemesis Prime, then?

Or the Prime Master, eh?

Gah, okay jeez, yes, Nemesis Prime was made. I was specifically referring to Nova Prime, the White scary dude from IDW. My bad.

And I know Sentinal didn’t get a toy in PotP because of his TR toy, but come on.. If there was ever a time to give us awesome, original toy designs for the Primes, it was Power of the Primes.

Not the kind of Primes Hasbro had in mind. There is a difference between the god-like Original 13 (of which Alpha Trion has a representation in TR and PotP, and via Legends CW as well), and the Autobot Supreme Commanders who carry the Matrix. But that's for a different thread.

Let's face it. They probably picked the Cybertron OP design over all other non-G1 Optimus Prime designs that have Super Modes because the Cybertron one looks the closest to an upgraded form of G1 Optimus Prime.

I read a joke somewhere, Hasbro was making a Cybertronian Otpimus Prime in his super mode, so they did a google search for cybertron optimus super mode and got this design right away

Sadly, that may actually be true (AoE Strafe can tell you why...). Doesn't matter, the toy turned out looking pretty nice.

[Dr. Caelus]

Hammer time!

[william-james88]

Not the kind of Primes Hasbro had in mind. There is a difference between the god-like Original 13

And in any case, fiction wise now we know that was all alie and the 13 primes were not godlike at all.

[Dr. Caelus]

Yes, he can deal with that now.

[Manterax Prime]

Not the kind of Primes Hasbro had in mind. There is a difference between the god-like Original 13

And in any case, fiction wise now we know that was all alie and the 13 primes were not godlike at all.

Only in the previous IDW continuity, yes.
That doesn't apply to everything else.

[william-james88]

Not the kind of Primes Hasbro had in mind. There is a difference between the god-like Original 13

And in any case, fiction wise now we know that was all alie and the 13 primes were not godlike at all.

Only in the previous IDW continuity, yes.
That doesn't apply to everything else.

But what else is there? The 13 primes werent in G1. IDW was G1 themed and expanded on what aligned had, bringing the 13 primes to a G1 type continuity, and then removed their legitimacy. Generations is G1 (and thus partly IDW) themed. So any notion of the 13 primes within the generations line is from this now debunked notion.

[Dr. Caelus]

Not the kind of Primes Hasbro had in mind. There is a difference between the god-like Original 13

And in any case, fiction wise now we know that was all alie and the 13 primes were not godlike at all.

Only in the previous IDW continuity, yes.
That doesn't apply to everything else.

But what else is there? The 13 primes werent in G1. IDW was G1 themed and expanded on what aligned had, bringing the 13 primes to a G1 type continuity, and then removed their legitimacy. Generations is G1 (and thus partly IDW) themed. So any notion of the 13 primes within the generations line is from this now debunked notion.

I love IDW but it doesn't make sense to say that what happened in that continuity debunks the mythology of another continuity.

If nothing else, FunPub's stories already established that the nature of the Primes can vary between universes (e.g., Shattered Glass Alpha Trion).

And within IDW, Shockwave's time-traveling shenanigans don't rule out the existence of a real 13 before the point he traveled to in the past. If I traveled back in time 2000 years and told everyone I was Jesus, it wouldn't disprove the premise of Christianity.

[Manterax Prime]

Not the kind of Primes Hasbro had in mind. There is a difference between the god-like Original 13

And in any case, fiction wise now we know that was all alie and the 13 primes were not godlike at all.

Only in the previous IDW continuity, yes.
That doesn't apply to everything else.

But what else is there? The 13 primes werent in G1. IDW was G1 themed and expanded on what aligned had, bringing the 13 primes to a G1 type continuity, and then removed their legitimacy. Generations is G1 (and thus partly IDW) themed. So any notion of the 13 primes within the generations line is from this now debunked notion.

Generations is not G1.
And a quick trip to TFWiki will answer your question.
The godlike 13 do exist in other continuities, just not the most recent IDW one.

[william-james88]

Generations is not G1.
And a quick trip to TFWiki will answer your question.

TFwiki said that Generations is G1

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Optimus_Prime_(G1)/toys

[Manterax Prime]

Generations is not G1.
And a quick trip to TFWiki will answer your question.

TFwiki said that Generations is G1

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Optimus_Prime_(G1)/toys

Because toylines and the continuities they're associated with always match up right?

Oh, wait. They don't. Beast Hunters taught us that. Show and toyline diverged at that point.
Hell, most of the Prime Wars Trilogy was toy only stuff with no matching storyline to back it up. The comics and Machinima series varied greatly in what they chose to use.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Not the kind of Primes Hasbro had in mind. There is a difference between the god-like Original 13

And in any case, fiction wise now we know that was all alie and the 13 primes were not godlike at all.

Only in the previous IDW continuity, yes.
That doesn't apply to everything else.

But what else is there? The 13 primes werent in G1. IDW was G1 themed and expanded on what aligned had, bringing the 13 primes to a G1 type continuity, and then removed their legitimacy. Generations is G1 (and thus partly IDW) themed. So any notion of the 13 primes within the generations line is from this now debunked notion.

Hey Will.
Hey Will.
First off, Generations does draw from more than G1.
But mainly.
One word:

DREAMWAVE

The Dreamwave G1 comics are what introduced the 13 Original Transformers concept in the first place! And the idea of them being demigods (although there were already seeds of that with the Liege Maximo in G2)! And it is sure as hell borne out in that continuity with how powerful the Fallen was!

IDW may have trod roughshod over the idea of their great power as part of its "SHOCKWAVE AMSES TEH ULT!m473 mast3rmind!!!11!" crap, but other continuities (like the one that introduced them, the Aligned family, the Unicron Trilogy, etc) have had more respect.

But wow, talk about an epic brainfart XD. I mean sure, they weren't all identified in G1 material originally. But it was a G1 comic series that introduced the idea along with the group's Judas!

Part of the reason I’m so disappointed in PotP was specifically because they didnt have new version of Vector Prime, Nemesis Prime, Sentinal Prime (TR figure notwithstanding).

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What do you call the Amazon-exclusive PotP Nemesis Prime, then?

Or the Prime Master, eh?

Gah, okay jeez, yes, Nemesis Prime was made. I was specifically referring to Nova Prime, the White scary dude from IDW. My bad.

You should have said Nova Prime then. When you say "Nemesis Prime", most people think "Evil Black Repaint of Optimus Prime" and maybe "Quintessa-Brainwashed Movieverse Optimus Prime". Not "IDW-only white Prime who was only sometimes known as Nemesis"

And I know Sentinal didn’t get a toy in PotP because of his TR toy, but come on.. If there was ever a time to give us awesome, original toy designs for the Primes, it was Power of the Primes.[/quote]
Power of the Primes as in the 13 Original Transformers, as in Titan Master-style figures that act as super-deluxe Energon Stars that channel the power of said 13 Original Transformers.

[Nemesis Maximo]

And I know Sentinal didn’t get a toy in PotP because of his TR toy, but come on.. If there was ever a time to give us awesome, original toy designs for the Primes, it was Power of the Primes.

Power of the Primes as in the 13 Original Transformers, as in Titan Master-style figures that act as super-deluxe Energon Stars that channel the power of said 13 Original Transformers.

The Prime Masters were lame.

[ZeroWolf]

And I know Sentinal didn’t get a toy in PotP because of his TR toy, but come on.. If there was ever a time to give us awesome, original toy designs for the Primes, it was Power of the Primes.

Power of the Primes as in the 13 Original Transformers, as in Titan Master-style figures that act as super-deluxe Energon Stars that channel the power of said 13 Original Transformers.

The Prime Masters were lame.

Sadly that was the only way they were going to handle the 13 as its far easier then working with some of the designs of the 13...plus how they would break down in class sizings, for marketing they would need to assign factions...Not to mention they would still need recognisable characters in said toyline, taking away available size slots...basically it wasn't going to happen in a years toyline. They compromised with the Prime masters which let them homage the pretenders to boot. I mean how many of us thought that the pretenders would ever see the light of day again (outside of bot mode references)

Best bet for the original 13 is if hasbro plan a whole trilogy around them and then release 4 a year in Voyager and leader Class (or deluxe and voyager... More space in those slots)

[AllNewSuperRobot]

Lets be honest here, they don't even homage all of G1 (at any time). So unless you want the 13 to be palette swaps of Optimus Prime, which they will happily do and it would (bizarrely) sell, the chances of them all getting an independent figure in any line are slim to zero.

[Albatross250]

From what ive seen on interior Optimus Leader class his homage is a bit of a hybrid on robot mode, those smokestack guns from his arms from Armada while his head is from Fall of Cybertron and the rest of his body are G1.


HOMAGECEPTION?

[Dr. Caelus]

And I know Sentinal didn’t get a toy in PotP because of his TR toy, but come on.. If there was ever a time to give us awesome, original toy designs for the Primes, it was Power of the Primes.

Power of the Primes as in the 13 Original Transformers, as in Titan Master-style figures that act as super-deluxe Energon Stars that channel the power of said 13 Original Transformers.

The Prime Masters were lame.

Sadly that was the only way they were going to handle the 13 as its far easier then working with some of the designs of the 13...plus how they would break down in class sizings, for marketing they would need to assign factions...Not to mention they would still need recognisable characters in said toyline, taking away available size slots...basically it wasn't going to happen in a years toyline. They compromised with the Prime masters which let them homage the pretenders to boot. I mean how many of us thought that the pretenders would ever see the light of day again (outside of bot mode references)

Best bet for the original 13 is if hasbro plan a whole trilogy around them and then release 4 a year in Voyager and leader Class (or deluxe and voyager... More space in those slots)

I'm possible now, maybe, but not necessarily if they'd been running on the scale of Titans Return,

Nexus Prime would be a combiner, so he markets as four deluxes, a voyager, and maybe a scout too, spreading out size-classes. Amalgamous would be a leader to allow maximum alt-modes. Prima, Megatronus, Onyx, and Optimus would be Voyager class, Solus, Quintus, Maximo would be deluxe class. Micronus would get packed in with Amalgamous. Alpha Trion and Vector Prime could have been rereleased or retooled as store exclusives since they already have good molds. And you can double-dip on molds. Nexus Prime would have a box-set rereleased in blue and red. Megatronus would have a repaint as the Fallen. Optimus as Nemesis Prime. Then fill out the line with minor Primes or Prime-adjacent characters like Nova, Zeta, Sentinel, Rodimus, Primal, Thunderwing, and maybe new takes on Cybertron Evac, Scourge, and Overdrive, or homages to characters like Lio Convoy. The $5 class would be filled with Minions that become parts of primal relics like the Requiem Blaster.

[Albatross250]

Here's the best I could manage. Mine came off the first time because the 5mm peg on the otherside gripped Optimus's back more tightly than the three pegs on Cog's leg gripped the tread.

It may be they aren't supposed to come off (after all, they don't use 5mm or 3mm ports), but it's odd they'd put 7 holes on something attached to 3 pegs. My only other thought is that they might intend to reuse the tread piece in other figures where the treads might be placed differently.

Here's 1 guess on the 7 holes vs 3 pegs, I wonder if they use the same tread part for Brunt, but they attach using the center 3 holes instead of the 3 holes on one side or the other for Cog.

Edit: After a further look, that notch means there is a left tread and a right one, so the mystery continues, but I still suspect they may re-use this for Brunt and that is why the extra holes are there.

Not to me.

Everytime i see Brunt he can be a Strika Retool of some sort (or Impactor?)