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adamage1 wrote:I honestly don’t understand the “ugh, G1 design” sentiment I keep seeing.
Skritz wrote:G1, G2 and UT and other lines had plenty of Optimuses (Optimii?) and Megatrons. Its just starting with the post-Animated era did we see designs get standardized more.
Wolfman Jake wrote:Skritz wrote:G1, G2 and UT and other lines had plenty of Optimuses (Optimii?) and Megatrons. Its just starting with the post-Animated era did we see designs get standardized more.
Which was a very deliberate move on Hasbro's part, because they wanted core characters in the mythos to have instantly recognizable, "evergreen" designs, so that no matter what new Transformers series is on the shelves, you can spot the major characters and realize immediately that "this is a Transformers toyline."
Last week I would have disagreed with you as I didn't even want Siege Optimus. Then I started realizing how long I had to wait for ER so last week I picked up Siege Optimus and sweet Jesus is the figure the bees knees! The complex transformation! The articulation! The solidness of the alt-mode! So glad I picked him upNathaniel Prime wrote:For guys like Siege Optimus and Starscream, the Cybertronian altmodes make them unique in my collection. This is the kind of G1 I want. ER Prime only appeals to me for two reasons: the trailer and the matrix. Otherwise, I prefer the look and maybe even the altmode of Siege OP.
aronjlove wrote:Last week I would have disagreed with you as I didn't even want Siege Optimus. Then I started realizing how long I had to wait for ER so last week I picked up Siege Optimus and sweet Jesus is the figure the bees knees! The complex transformation! The articulation! The solidness of the alt-mode! So glad I picked him upNathaniel Prime wrote:For guys like Siege Optimus and Starscream, the Cybertronian altmodes make them unique in my collection. This is the kind of G1 I want. ER Prime only appeals to me for two reasons: the trailer and the matrix. Otherwise, I prefer the look and maybe even the altmode of Siege OP.
Nathaniel Prime wrote:aronjlove wrote:Last week I would have disagreed with you as I didn't even want Siege Optimus. Then I started realizing how long I had to wait for ER so last week I picked up Siege Optimus and sweet Jesus is the figure the bees knees! The complex transformation! The articulation! The solidness of the alt-mode! So glad I picked him upNathaniel Prime wrote:For guys like Siege Optimus and Starscream, the Cybertronian altmodes make them unique in my collection. This is the kind of G1 I want. ER Prime only appeals to me for two reasons: the trailer and the matrix. Otherwise, I prefer the look and maybe even the altmode of Siege OP.
Exactly! So many people take issue with him that I cant even wrap my head around why! There's even a Reprolabels kit that turns his Cybertronian truck into an "Earth" truck that somehow looks less convincing than the original
Sentinel_Primal wrote:Nathaniel Prime wrote:aronjlove wrote:Last week I would have disagreed with you as I didn't even want Siege Optimus. Then I started realizing how long I had to wait for ER so last week I picked up Siege Optimus and sweet Jesus is the figure the bees knees! The complex transformation! The articulation! The solidness of the alt-mode! So glad I picked him upNathaniel Prime wrote:For guys like Siege Optimus and Starscream, the Cybertronian altmodes make them unique in my collection. This is the kind of G1 I want. ER Prime only appeals to me for two reasons: the trailer and the matrix. Otherwise, I prefer the look and maybe even the altmode of Siege OP.
Exactly! So many people take issue with him that I cant even wrap my head around why! There's even a Reprolabels kit that turns his Cybertronian truck into an "Earth" truck that somehow looks less convincing than the original
Honestly I prefer thinking of it as that G1 Prime skin from the FOC game
Nathaniel Prime wrote:Sentinel_Primal wrote:Nathaniel Prime wrote:aronjlove wrote:Last week I would have disagreed with you as I didn't even want Siege Optimus. Then I started realizing how long I had to wait for ER so last week I picked up Siege Optimus and sweet Jesus is the figure the bees knees! The complex transformation! The articulation! The solidness of the alt-mode! So glad I picked him upNathaniel Prime wrote:For guys like Siege Optimus and Starscream, the Cybertronian altmodes make them unique in my collection. This is the kind of G1 I want. ER Prime only appeals to me for two reasons: the trailer and the matrix. Otherwise, I prefer the look and maybe even the altmode of Siege OP.
Exactly! So many people take issue with him that I cant even wrap my head around why! There's even a Reprolabels kit that turns his Cybertronian truck into an "Earth" truck that somehow looks less convincing than the original
Honestly I prefer thinking of it as that G1 Prime skin from the FOC game
That's...actually a great idea! I still dont like it, but I can appreciate it better now!
Nathaniel Prime wrote:Addressing the comments above, I can see where you're coming from. Y'all are tired of getting the same things over again. For me, it's not that simple.
For WFC, it's been pretty great, to the point where it's nearly perfect. I dont mind G1, or even GEEWUN, if it has some variety in it. Siege Skytread, Spinister, Impactor, GUOP, all those are the good kind of characters I like to see. These are guys that dont usually get figures, and are getting them now for us to enjoy. For guys like Siege Optimus and Starscream, the Cybertronian altmodes make them unique in my collection. This is the kind of G1 I want. ER Prime only appeals to me for two reasons: the trailer and the matrix. Otherwise, I prefer the look and maybe even the altmode of Siege OP.
Skritz wrote:Earthrise still has plenty of time to 'redeem' itself with some interesting designs or obscure characters. I'm just worried those hope will be dashed if it turns out Ironworks is like the only one.
Nemesis Primal wrote:
...okay, see, that right there is why you don't get that complaint: the thing that people who say that (which include me on certain days) are complaining about is exactly the thing you want, from what it sounds like. Multiple of these characters have received updates in those 30 years you mentioned, some of them multiple times, but I guess figures like T30 Springer, who's amazing, don't count as a "proper" Springer because he isn't a blocky lumpman 100% G1 accurate with nothing new?
Then again, I didn't grow up with G1, so I guess it's difficult for me to understand your point of view too. From my POV though, people who want just G1 updates get what they want right now and they STILL complain (who cares what color Earthrise Prime's HANDS are?!), while those who want more than JUST G1 S1-2 again or maybe don't even like G1 get thrown a bone with maybe....2-5% of what gets put out in Generations?
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Deadput wrote:A long-ish post with valid points that I won't fully repost to save space
Sentinel_Primal wrote:adamage1 wrote:I honestly don’t understand the “ugh, G1 design” sentiment I keep seeing.
Can't speak for everyone that uses it, but generally speaking, whenever I use it I'm typically meaning "I wish we'd get new or different designs or characters rather than the same flat nosed truck, tank, and jet." I'd be saying the same thing if we got Beast Wars, Armada, or even Animated updates every year. It mostly stems from there not being much of a break between iterations of a character like Optimus or even Starscream to a degree.
But, unfortunately there's not really a way to fix it. Obviously Hasbro can't give every series they've made the Studio Series treatment where they get their own line, but they also can't give every line it's own year with it going G1, JG1, G2, BW, RID, UT, Animated, Prime/RID 2015, and then back to the start. It'd be way too long a wait to get back to someone's preferred era and thus they'd lose customers. The best they can do is what they're currently doing with making figures of those characters in a line that's mostly focused on one era.
Like I said, I do wish we'd get new designs or better yet, different characters instead of another Optimus, Megatron, or Starscream, but this is the best they can reasonably do. They need to keep general characters that people know one shelves and so that we can get some of the weirdos like Spinister, Apeface, and Punch/Counter-Punch who need their own molds to do the original designs for those characters justice.
Skritz wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:Skritz wrote:G1, G2 and UT and other lines had plenty of Optimuses (Optimii?) and Megatrons. Its just starting with the post-Animated era did we see designs get standardized more.
Which was a very deliberate move on Hasbro's part, because they wanted core characters in the mythos to have instantly recognizable, "evergreen" designs, so that no matter what new Transformers series is on the shelves, you can spot the major characters and realize immediately that "this is a Transformers toyline."
Yeah but its boring.
Nemesis Primal wrote:Deadput wrote:A long-ish post with valid points that I won't fully repost to save space
Heck, they straight up said we haven't gotten a proper mainline OPTIMUS in 30 years. I can't even count how many Optimus Prime figures one would have to ignore for that to be a factual statement. We got 5 mainline Optimus Primes and an exclusive one from Hasbro alone during the Prime Wars Trilogy, not even counting Takara stuff like Ginrai.
Deadput wrote:Skritz wrote:Earthrise still has plenty of time to 'redeem' itself with some interesting designs or obscure characters. I'm just worried those hope will be dashed if it turns out Ironworks is like the only one.
If Ironworks of all things is a thing in this line then I wouldn't be worried, Siege had plenty of obscure characters.
People focus way more on the negative aspects while not paying as much attention to the positive stuff.
Also the Micromasters and the Shield guy?Nemesis Primal wrote:
...okay, see, that right there is why you don't get that complaint: the thing that people who say that (which include me on certain days) are complaining about is exactly the thing you want, from what it sounds like. Multiple of these characters have received updates in those 30 years you mentioned, some of them multiple times, but I guess figures like T30 Springer, who's amazing, don't count as a "proper" Springer because he isn't a blocky lumpman 100% G1 accurate with nothing new?
Then again, I didn't grow up with G1, so I guess it's difficult for me to understand your point of view too. From my POV though, people who want just G1 updates get what they want right now and they STILL complain (who cares what color Earthrise Prime's HANDS are?!), while those who want more than JUST G1 S1-2 again or maybe don't even like G1 get thrown a bone with maybe....2-5% of what gets put out in Generations?
I don't think you understand either.
How is this
Faithful to this?
Thrilling 30 Springer is a fantastic Springer but it's not "the" original G1 design at all, that is the IDW comic design which is quite different.
Now this? This is a way more faithful version
You can make the same argument for characters like Jetfire, Ironhide/Ratchet, Omega Supreeme, Shockwave etc
They didn't have proper toys based on their original beloved G1 designs which tend to be the versions many people like, that's why there are complaints about Earthrise Prime's hands being not blue, blue hands is the proper color of the character and most people are not painters so it's a disappointment to them.
Basically the idea is that people want toys in the exact or close to designs of the characters that they love, it's like if people got a Star Wars Luke Skywalker action figure but it did not look like Luke at all.
Nathaniel Prime wrote:It's hard for a person like me to exist, because it's practically impossible to get a middle ground in things like this. I am a person who loves all of Transformers. So when things like this come up, I struggle to make a choice!
G1 Springer is great! And the Siege figure is awesome! But IDW Springer is also great! And the T30 figure is awesome!![]()
If I could, I would get them all. If it looks cool and plays cool, I'm all for it. That's what I strive for in a toy. I dont care how accurate it is to the source, or what the altmode looks like, or whatever. Just gimme a cool, posable dude or dudette, and I'll be happy.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Nathaniel Prime wrote:It's hard for a person like me to exist, because it's practically impossible to get a middle ground in things like this. I am a person who loves all of Transformers. So when things like this come up, I struggle to make a choice!
G1 Springer is great! And the Siege figure is awesome! But IDW Springer is also great! And the T30 figure is awesome!![]()
If I could, I would get them all. If it looks cool and plays cool, I'm all for it. That's what I strive for in a toy. I dont care how accurate it is to the source, or what the altmode looks like, or whatever. Just gimme a cool, posable dude or dudette, and I'll be happy.
Just have both if you want both! It's why I'm ok with so many movie Primes and Bees and such: many of them are doing very different things and looking very different.
I did not get Siege Springer because I have no connection to him, but I love T30 Springer cause that is my Springer. If I did care for G1 Springer, I would have gotten him and enjoyed both. there isn't really a "definitive" in my collection
Nathaniel Prime wrote:It's hard for a person like me to exist, because it's practically impossible to get a middle ground in things like this. I am a person who loves all of Transformers. So when things like this come up, I struggle to make a choice!
G1 Springer is great! And the Siege figure is awesome! But IDW Springer is also great! And the T30 figure is awesome!![]()
If I could, I would get them all. If it looks cool and plays cool, I'm all for it. That's what I strive for in a toy. I dont care how accurate it is to the source, or what the altmode looks like, or whatever. Just gimme a cool, posable dude or dudette, and I'll be happy.
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