The Energon Pub

[SpikeyTigertron]

For sure but even with as big as he was in the cartoon I think the scale is just a little too inflated. He’s almost as big as Omega but Omega’s got a good justification for being so big. I think just personally he sticks out a bit with how they’ve been doing scale so far. Like I love a big Jetfire we all love a big Jetfire but this is like StarDestroyerfire.

I distinctly recall in Fire in the Sky, the autoboots *rode* inside Jetfire's lower body.... so... yes, he's supposed to be that big, maybe even bigger? he often had to crouch to interact with other autobots. If I had one complaint about Siege Jetfire, it's that he doesn't really *crouch* i'd have loved a forward ankle tilt or *deep* knee bend to properly crouch down.

As far as top three... oh man that's rough...

1) Voyager Optimus Prime (as funky as the truck is... he's truly a marvel of posability and just *looks* right. If you have issues with his "backpack" or "arm kibble" it all slides off on mushroom pegs.

2) Ultra Magnus (and to be honest, he might even beat out Optimus). This was the Ultra Magnus I always wanted, including the inner white prime. I still think the core robot works better for Ultra Magnus than as Prime-minor on the "galaxy upgrade". I'm still miffed that IDW went with *that* version for the comics.

3) Reflector. He's just a solid fun, poseable bot. His "solo" alt mode feels like it misses the mark, but the camera is perfect. His robot mode is perfect.

Honorable Mentions: Hound and Seekers.

Worst three:

1) the carbot micro masters (I hate that their arms seem so fiddly- and it doesn't seem fair to be mad at something so tiny).

2) Prowl. He just doesn't quite feel right, between the shoulders, doors, and lack of paint. Swipe and Streak look amazing... so maybe when they roll out.

3) Soundwave/Megatron. It's a tie, because they've had better figures. Their POTP/Combiner Wars incarnations I just liked better. Meg's borrowed voyager form from Blitzwing just really worked well for him, and was a solid tank, and I even really liked the jet mode (call back to Machine Wars anyone?). The leader soundwave from Primes Trilogy may have been too big... but he really pushed all the right buttons.

[Rodimus Prime]

I still say you bag on Skyfire too much. Definitely agree about Megatron AKA "They forgot to include tabs for my neckplate" as the weakest link, though. I wouldn't say he's bad per say, but compared to the others he's only so-so.

No, Megatron isn't horrible, but he definitely missed the mark, especially when considering how good Optimus is (robot mode anyway, truck mode is just okay). As for Jetfire, maybe it seems I bag on him too much, but it was just a letdown for me how simple and seemingly unfinished he is. I mean, he has the same problem that leader RoTF Jetfire does: he's basically a robot laying down with a plane draped over him.

Okay, what even?
No. Just, no. Not even close. That is not a valid criticism of SIEGE Jetfire, because that is not even an accurate description of SIEGE Jetfire. SIEGE Jetfire's arms actually tuck away and integrate into the jet mode. SIEGE Jetfire's actual nosecone actually folds down to become the robot chest. SIEGE Jetfire's head is completely hidden away within the upper cabin. SIEGE Jetfire's legs actually collapse and transform into the engines.
How the crap does that qualify as "a robot laying down with a plane draped over him."? Seriously, how? Any way I look at it, that is such a maddeningly nonsensically mismatched description.

I never cared for the Generations Leader figure, but it's superior to this one in both looks and transformation. Might have to pick one up.

You, um, you sure about that? Because if you think SIEGE Jetfire has too much robot showing from below, well...

This is what T30 Jetfire looks like from below in jet mode. Robot head in plain sight, fake cockpit chest because of having the Valkyrie jet mode, legs awkwardly tucked under Silverbolt style an, arms plainly visible and the shoulders barely passing themselves off as engines. Are you sure you weren't scammed and sold one of these? Because I can definitely see that getting called "a robot laying down with a jet draped over him"

I'm sure.

I'll concede that comparing Siege Jetfire to RoTF Jetfire was a bit harsh. He's not as bad. But close. Looking at the underside, I see arms, shoulders, legs, knees. Look at all those gaps. Just as bad from the side view. On an $80 Commander Class figure it is unacceptable to have these errors in engineering. There should have been panels to cover them up, or at least have the transformation fill them in. Because of the difference in size, the gaps are more prominent in Siege Jetfire than Generations Jetfire. That figure is by no means close to perfect, which is why I haven't bought it yet, but it looks better than this. I bought the Siege figure even after watching reviews, because the robot mode looked good on screen. In hand? Not as good. Not bad, but not as good. Too bland. And yes, I know there are places such as Reprolabels that can help with that. But again, for $80, it shouldn't need it. Because then it becomes a $100 figure, or more. Bottom line for me (and again, this is just my opinion, I'm not stating facts so don't have an aneurysm) this is a disappointment for the money spent and the size and space it occupies. I mean, this is halfway to a Titan-sized figure, and it looks like someone enlarged a deluxe figure.

[Deadput]

Jetfire was a really big guy, I know scale wasn't exactly consistent with the Cartoon but at the very least Jetfire was always much bigger then everyone else.


He could fit many Autobots in his vehicle mode, so there was mass shifting to some extent but he towered over everyone who wasn't a Combiner or Omega Supreme/Skylinx

Since Siege is a G1 Cartoon inspired line it only makes sense, plus we have already have had Leader Jetfires and Jetfires of many different sizes in the past.


I also really appreciate that Jetfire can serve as a dropship for other figures, a genius idea I'd like to see more of.

[Rodimus Prime]

For some reason I couldn't attach these to the previous post.

[FellintoOblivion]

Are Apeface, Spinster, Crosshairs and Astrotrain going to be released at retail or are they online exclusives?

[ZeroWolf]

Are Apeface, Spinster, Crosshairs and Astrotrain going to be released at retail or are they online exclusives?

They should be available at retail

Thanks for the lists guys! Think I'll give it another day or so then tally up the totals. Will also ask at years end to see if anyone's feelings changed or if Wave 5 beat the rest into submission

[SpikeyTigertron]

Are Apeface, Spinster, Crosshairs and Astrotrain going to be released at retail or are they online exclusives?

They should be available at retail

Thanks for the lists guys! Think I'll give it another day or so then tally up the totals. Will also ask at years end to see if anyone's feelings changed or if Wave 5 beat the rest into submission

Apeface and Spinister are kind of blowing my mind

[SpikeyTigertron]

I still say you bag on Skyfire too much. Definitely agree about Megatron AKA "They forgot to include tabs for my neckplate" as the weakest link, though. I wouldn't say he's bad per say, but compared to the others he's only so-so.

No, Megatron isn't horrible, but he definitely missed the mark, especially when considering how good Optimus is (robot mode anyway, truck mode is just okay). As for Jetfire, maybe it seems I bag on him too much, but it was just a letdown for me how simple and seemingly unfinished he is. I mean, he has the same problem that leader RoTF Jetfire does: he's basically a robot laying down with a plane draped over him.

Okay, what even?
No. Just, no. Not even close. That is not a valid criticism of SIEGE Jetfire, because that is not even an accurate description of SIEGE Jetfire. SIEGE Jetfire's arms actually tuck away and integrate into the jet mode. SIEGE Jetfire's actual nosecone actually folds down to become the robot chest. SIEGE Jetfire's head is completely hidden away within the upper cabin. SIEGE Jetfire's legs actually collapse and transform into the engines.
How the crap does that qualify as "a robot laying down with a plane draped over him."? Seriously, how? Any way I look at it, that is such a maddeningly nonsensically mismatched description.

I never cared for the Generations Leader figure, but it's superior to this one in both looks and transformation. Might have to pick one up.

You, um, you sure about that? Because if you think SIEGE Jetfire has too much robot showing from below, well...

This is what T30 Jetfire looks like from below in jet mode. Robot head in plain sight, fake cockpit chest because of having the Valkyrie jet mode, legs awkwardly tucked under Silverbolt style an, arms plainly visible and the shoulders barely passing themselves off as engines. Are you sure you weren't scammed and sold one of these? Because I can definitely see that getting called "a robot laying down with a jet draped over him"

I'm sure.

I'll concede that comparing Siege Jetfire to RoTF Jetfire was a bit harsh. He's not as bad. But close. Looking at the underside, I see arms, shoulders, legs, knees. Look at all those gaps. Just as bad from the side view. On an $80 Commander Class figure it is unacceptable to have these errors in engineering. There should have been panels to cover them up, or at least have the transformation fill them in. Because of the difference in size, the gaps are more prominent in Siege Jetfire than Generations Jetfire. That figure is by no means close to perfect, which is why I haven't bought it yet, but it looks better than this. I bought the Siege figure even after watching reviews, because the robot mode looked good on screen. In hand? Not as good. Not bad, but not as good. Too bland. And yes, I know there are places such as Reprolabels that can help with that. But again, for $80, it shouldn't need it. Because then it becomes a $100 figure, or more. Bottom line for me (and again, this is just my opinion, I'm not stating facts so don't have an aneurysm) this is a disappointment for the money spent and the size and space it occupies. I mean, this is halfway to a Titan-sized figure, and it looks like someone enlarged a deluxe figure.

I can agree with you the transformation is pretty straight forward, but I'd argue none of the Titan's were mindblowing in their transformations either, possibly with the exception of Devastator (and that's mostly *combiner*).

I get what you're saying about the gaps looking directly under it, but I don't really see it from the sides. I do agree with you on him being *too big* and it's not in the sense that he's *out of scale* so much as in *where do I put him?!*

I think a lot of the bland-ness is because he's cast in white plastic. It's the same issue I have with the Rainmakers... A little wash/dry brush over them would really make the details pop... sadly... i have ZERO experience in that technique.

I know not everyone has the same incomes and definately a lot more people have more expenses than *I* do (kids and what not- i don't have any) but the arguements over Shockwave being *leader prices* I just don't get that squabling. Jetfire I kind understand a bit more at $80. But I wouldn't write the commander class off yet. Curious to see what the next offering is. But I don't think it will be *mind blowingly complex* just because it's big. I think Hasbro has honed in on the "simple but satisfying" tranformation. Heck, Sideswipe is a simplified version of his MP design.

[SpikeyTigertron]

Jetfire was a really big guy, I know scale wasn't exactly consistent with the Cartoon but at the very least Jetfire was always much bigger then everyone else.


He could fit many Autobots in his vehicle mode, so there was mass shifting to some extent but he towered over everyone who wasn't a Combiner or Omega Supreme/Skylinx

Since Siege is a G1 Cartoon inspired line it only makes sense, plus we have already have had Leader Jetfires and Jetfires of many different sizes in the past.


I also really appreciate that Jetfire can serve as a dropship for other figures, a genius idea I'd like to see more of.

I do almost wish he had a full cargo bay (in his legs?) for the micromasters like the old micromaster combiner shuttle. http://www.transformerland.com/wiki/toy-info/transformers-g1-micromasters-battlefield-headquarters-with-full-barrel-and-overflow/3500/

[Dr. Caelus]

I do agree with you on him being *too big* and it's not in the sense that he's *out of scale* so much as in *where do I put him?!*

How much does he weigh?

I think a lot of the bland-ness is because he's cast in white plastic. It's the same issue I have with the Rainmakers... A little wash/dry brush over them would really make the details pop... sadly... i have ZERO experience in that technique.

It's not difficult, but it's easy to over do it.

[no-one]

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Well that is not a good look. What surprises me the most is the alt mode thigh gap. The bottom view doesn't bother me as I expect a mess with jetformers, but the side just seems a little sloppy. Making it easier to skip this guy.

[Stargrave]

Hey wait, but is there a Gerwalk mode? Pictures anyone?

[no-one]

Hey wait, but is there a Gerwalk mode? Pictures anyone?

Now you have me curious T30 can pull it off, sorta...

[Cobotron]

Hey wait, but is there a Gerwalk mode? Pictures anyone?

Now you have me curious T30 can pull it off, sorta...

Googled!


I mean really, if there is a robot with a plain on it's back, it can most likely pull off a Gerwalk, amairight?

[no-one]

Hey wait, but is there a Gerwalk mode? Pictures anyone?

Now you have me curious T30 can pull it off, sorta...

Googled!


I mean really, if there is a robot with a plain on it's back, it can most likely pull off a Gerwalk, amairight?

Looks like he's using crutches

[ZeroWolf]

I think he is... They say it happens in the autumn years...

[o.supreme]

Movieverse Jetfire used a cane...so why not?

[Stargrave]

Awww no that's a sad Gerwalk oh lord I'm dyin' right now. Gerhobble more like it.

[Autobot N]

Lancer has shipped from Pulse and will be here tomorrow!

[o.supreme]

Located over on tfnd on Facebook we've discovered a new Japanese review of Transformers War for Cybertron Siege Omega Supreme by TakaraTomy designers!

I've found my people . They did the exact first 2 things I plan to do with my Omega Supreme, whenever I do get it

1. Compare/Contrast with UW Devastator
2. Connect to other TR Titans and Leader base modes




3. The *Splits*...nah, not doing that, but its good to know he can, for such a Big Guy

[Stargrave]

Hey D-Max Soundwave’s extra gun forms a perfect handle for Smashdown.
Full on John Henry mode:

[Nemesis Primal]

Well considering my Siege collection so far consists of 1 Battlemaster, 1 Leader, and 7 Deluxes...

Top 3:
1. Galaxy Optimus (Grew up on the Unicron Trilogy, always wanted the original Cybertron Optimus but never got him, so the combination of nostalgia/wish-fulfillment, articulation, and bonus inner G1 Prime make this a win for me)
2. Ironhide (Nice meaty Deluxe, awesome weapon, the finally factor of getting a good Ironhide)
3. Sixgun (My favorite of the Weaponizers due to the versatility of his parts, his unique alt mode, and overall awesome look)

Honorable Mentions: Brunt, Smashdown

Bottom 3 (and none of these are even bad figures):
1. Hound (Least interesting of the figures I own, annoying to get the legs past the back kibble mid-transformation)
2. Skytread/Flywheels (minor mold issues with tank mode, waist swivel limited by jet kibble)
3. Cog I guess? (Least poseable Weaponizer, handheld guns only fit properly in his hands, alt mode splits slightly too easily)

I can almost guarantee this list will be more varied once Siege is over, I'll have a whole other size class involved even once I get the Rainmakers, Apeface, and Soundblaster.

[Stargrave]

I think his head’s supposed to dip down on purpose if only just for this pose:
“Such heroic nonsense.”

[no-one]

I think his head’s supposed to dip down on purpose if only just for this pose:
“Such heroic nonsense.”
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Doesn't the head also push all the way in for alt-mode? My neck flap is very tight and I use the up and down motion in the same way for posing. Was there copies released that were too loose to hold their own weight?

[Nathaniel Prime]

I think his head’s supposed to dip down on purpose if only just for this pose:
“Such heroic nonsense.”

Love it!

Here's my own (well, not really my own, it's from reddit but I wanted to show you)

Only thing missing is a hammer and he is God Magnus