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[fenrir72]

I'm pretty sure the price hike isn't just from packaging alone but a mixture of factors, such as:
-Their bottom line hurt by The Last Knight and The Last Jedi shelfwarming. How fitting given their name.

This is inconsequential and should be eradicated from our collective minds as a possible reason.

What you see in store shelves means NOTHING to a supplier. It is the retailer's problem if something shelfwarms, Hasbro already got all the money for those shelwarming toys. The more toys you see, the more money Hasbro got.

What is directly related, instead, is unsold product from hasbro proper, so product that retailers chose not to buy. And there is no way to know that unless Hasbro tells us directly, which they did.

They (Brian Goldner) specifically said that Star Wars toys were not all bought by retailers, but all the TLK toys made for retailers were bought by these retailers. The output matched the demand.

Which is why Transformers got a boost as a toyline with more product output now than ever before. We currently have 4 simulataneous lines of constant product destined to the same shelfspace. So Hasbro's bottom line is in no way hurt by Transformers related properties at the moment, its why they are making more.

Haven't we already seen the RRP for these?

We have not, Hasbro has not disclosed that info (as far as I know).

Just because you say it that then with a magic wand THINK with a uniform singular thought?

SW cost Hb a chunk in franchising fees. The highest. Higher than Marvel. No need to get a PhD in economics to know that the y had to recoup their investments.

The units didn't sell. It took a big chunk of their profit margins.The potential money to be used for further R & D.

How do you fill up that big GAP? Loans? Hopefully the interest rates are low.


And Price increases. To offset the costs. No politics there. Simple neutral economics.

Just hope Hb doesn't squeeze the "golden goose" aka the Man Babies who buy TF with disposable income too much. Or, well okay with the price increases so long as the quality ain't sacrificed (hollow legs, shins, arms etc......)

Also, that line about retailers shouldering the entire burden and not Hasbro is plain WRONG. Stores can no longer do an IOU on stocks

Example:

https://www.businessinsider.com/sears-s ... tcy-2017-5

The companies that supply Sears with the TVs, toys, and clothing in its stores are increasingly concerned about the retailer's ability to pay its bills, and [b]some are cutting back on shipments to stores as a result.

That means Sears and Kmart stores are receiving less merchandise to sell, which is a grave problem for a company trying to avoid bankruptcy by reversing years of sales declines.[/b]

Hasbro or any supplier DO get hurt with unsold stocks!

[Skritz]

Just hope Hb doesn't squeeze the "golden goose" aka the Man Babies who buy TF with disposable income too much. Or, well okay with the price increases so long as the quality ain't sacrificed (hollow legs, shins, arms etc......)

Well, I know what would 'lose' me: if after Siege we just get more and more remake of the same characters over and over. Right now it's a good balance but, I swear, if we get another Optimus and Megatron that isn't something interesting and unique or, worse, a new Bumblebee...

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Just because you say it that then with a magic wand THINK with a uniform singular thought?

SW cost Hb a chunk in franchising fees. The highest. Higher than Marvel. No need to get a PhD in economics to know that the y had to recoup their investments.

The units didn't sell. It took a big chunk of their profit margins.The potential money to be used for further R & D.

How do you fill up that big GAP? Loans? Hopefully the interest rates are low.

And Price increases. To offset the costs. No politics there. Simple neutral economics.

Just hope Hb doesn't squeeze the "golden goose" aka the Man Babies who buy TF with disposable income too much. Or, well okay with the price increases so long as the quality ain't sacrificed (hollow legs, shins, arms etc......)

Um, He said Star Wars was noted as underperforming, but TFs still good. The price increase brings this line on par with Studio Series, which as far as I'm and many others are concerned are doing pretty good and are generally on the whole worth it.

You keep bringing up this sort of thing, but I have yet to see any solid evidence with you, and it tends to be more rambling and more shameful personal opinions, some of which doesn't make sense. You keep comparing to Star Wars, but Star Wars has suffered far more than the TFs, and far more weight has been put on them.

The price increase is the price of things going up, and honestly, saying Sideswipe, Cog, an Infinity War Thor, and Black Series Rey all cost the same isn't that bad, especially with how much more the TFs actually do.

[Wireless_Phantom]

Let's just hope that price hike ain't too painful. On the flipside? No more combiner teams (for now?), so no need to hunt down every single figure to complete a 'set'. This is a much more 'buy what you want' line, really. Which is good.

...Even if I still want more combiners.

Unfortunately I doubt we will get a Piranacon anytime soon since the War for Cybertron trilogy seems to be angled directly against that type of thing

[fenrir72]

Just because you say it that then with a magic wand THINK with a uniform singular thought?

SW cost Hb a chunk in franchising fees. The highest. Higher than Marvel. No need to get a PhD in economics to know that the y had to recoup their investments.

The units didn't sell. It took a big chunk of their profit margins.The potential money to be used for further R & D.

How do you fill up that big GAP? Loans? Hopefully the interest rates are low.

And Price increases. To offset the costs. No politics there. Simple neutral economics.

Just hope Hb doesn't squeeze the "golden goose" aka the Man Babies who buy TF with disposable income too much. Or, well okay with the price increases so long as the quality ain't sacrificed (hollow legs, shins, arms etc......)

Um, He said Star Wars was noted as underperforming, but TFs still good. The price increase brings this line on par with Studio Series, which as far as I'm and many others are concerned are doing pretty good and are generally on the whole worth it.

You keep bringing up this sort of thing, but I have yet to see any solid evidence with you, and it tends to be more rambling and more shameful personal opinions, some of which doesn't make sense. You keep comparing to Star Wars, but Star Wars has suffered far more than the TFs, and far more weight has been put on them.

The price increase is the price of things going up, and honestly, saying Sideswipe, Cog, an Infinity War Thor, and Black Series Rey all cost the same isn't that bad, especially with how much more the TFs actually do.

Check my post. What is applicable to Sears and TRU is applicable to Hasbro. I posted a link on a business focused site.

If you choose not to see then ...tough!

[Wireless_Phantom]

Just hope Hb doesn't squeeze the "golden goose" aka the Man Babies who buy TF with disposable income too much. Or, well okay with the price increases so long as the quality ain't sacrificed (hollow legs, shins, arms etc......)

Well, I know what would 'lose' me: if after Siege we just get more and more remake of the same characters over and over. Right now it's a good balance but, I swear, if we get another Optimus and Megatron that isn't something interesting and unique or, worse, a new Bumblebee...

Well the thing about that is it has already been confirmed that each part of WFC will have its own major versions of the leader figures. However between statements from Warden about showing us some love for Armada and the fact that it wouldn't make any sense to make basic versions of them three years in a row, I think it is more likely that they will do something more interesting or unique. Or, at the very least, based on a different design (I know I'd like a new Armada Optimus)

[Skritz]

Let's just hope that price hike ain't too painful. On the flipside? No more combiner teams (for now?), so no need to hunt down every single figure to complete a 'set'. This is a much more 'buy what you want' line, really. Which is good.

...Even if I still want more combiners.

Unfortunately I doubt we will get a Piranacon anytime soon since the War for Cybertron trilogy seems to be angled directly against that type of thing

I'm all too aware, which is a shame.

[fenrir72]

Just because you say it that then with a magic wand THINK with a uniform singular thought?

SW cost Hb a chunk in franchising fees. The highest. Higher than Marvel. No need to get a PhD in economics to know that the y had to recoup their investments.

The units didn't sell. It took a big chunk of their profit margins.The potential money to be used for further R & D.

How do you fill up that big GAP? Loans? Hopefully the interest rates are low.

And Price increases. To offset the costs. No politics there. Simple neutral economics.

Just hope Hb doesn't squeeze the "golden goose" aka the Man Babies who buy TF with disposable income too much. Or, well okay with the price increases so long as the quality ain't sacrificed (hollow legs, shins, arms etc......)

Um, He said Star Wars was noted as underperforming, but TFs still good. The price increase brings this line on par with Studio Series, which as far as I'm and many others are concerned are doing pretty good and are generally on the whole worth it.

You keep bringing up this sort of thing, but I have yet to see any solid evidence with you, and it tends to be more rambling and more shameful personal opinions, some of which doesn't make sense. You keep comparing to Star Wars, but Star Wars has suffered far more than the TFs, and far more weight has been put on them.

The price increase is the price of things going up, and honestly, saying Sideswipe, Cog, an Infinity War Thor, and Black Series Rey all cost the same isn't that bad, especially with how much more the TFs actually do.

Since I really love to rub it in with my ramblings...........Encore

https://www.businessinsider.com/sears-s ... tcy-2017-5

Sears has a bigger problem than plunging sales: dwindling inventory.

The companies that supply Sears with the TVs, toys, and clothing in its stores are increasingly concerned about the retailer's ability to pay its bills, and some are cutting back on shipments to stores as a result.


Just my ramblings. It only applies to Sears or TRU. Not Hasbro. No sireeee

[Sentinel_Primal]

Let's just hope that price hike ain't too painful. On the flipside? No more combiner teams (for now?), so no need to hunt down every single figure to complete a 'set'. This is a much more 'buy what you want' line, really. Which is good.

...Even if I still want more combiners.

Unfortunately I doubt we will get a Piranacon anytime soon since the War for Cybertron trilogy seems to be angled directly against that type of thing

I refuse to believe we won't get Piranacon anytime soon! He says knowing that it's so unlikely because Hasbro would need to figure out how to work a gunmode into a deluxe class figure...

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Just because you say it that then with a magic wand THINK with a uniform singular thought?

SW cost Hb a chunk in franchising fees. The highest. Higher than Marvel. No need to get a PhD in economics to know that the y had to recoup their investments.

The units didn't sell. It took a big chunk of their profit margins.The potential money to be used for further R & D.

How do you fill up that big GAP? Loans? Hopefully the interest rates are low.

And Price increases. To offset the costs. No politics there. Simple neutral economics.

Just hope Hb doesn't squeeze the "golden goose" aka the Man Babies who buy TF with disposable income too much. Or, well okay with the price increases so long as the quality ain't sacrificed (hollow legs, shins, arms etc......)

Um, He said Star Wars was noted as underperforming, but TFs still good. The price increase brings this line on par with Studio Series, which as far as I'm and many others are concerned are doing pretty good and are generally on the whole worth it.

You keep bringing up this sort of thing, but I have yet to see any solid evidence with you, and it tends to be more rambling and more shameful personal opinions, some of which doesn't make sense. You keep comparing to Star Wars, but Star Wars has suffered far more than the TFs, and far more weight has been put on them.

The price increase is the price of things going up, and honestly, saying Sideswipe, Cog, an Infinity War Thor, and Black Series Rey all cost the same isn't that bad, especially with how much more the TFs actually do.

Check my post. What is applicable to Sears and TRU is applicable to Hasbro. I posted a link on a business focused site.

If you choose not to see then ...tough!

I have seen, and it's still been far from reputable. You have yet to provide hard, unbiased evidence from reputable sources that clearly show that Hasbro's transformers are in major trouble, considering they have been named by Hasbro recently as being the best growing brand over the past 2 years, while Star Wars has been the disappointment, probably because too much in too short of time and too overloaded with figures that a lot of people don't want.

Heck, look at RiD and it's connections to the mobile game. The show was alright, it had a long toyline that was successful and churned out some great stuff, and it connected to the mobile game, all nice and connected.

These figures are simply a product of times and they are moving up to the Studio Series level, and I won't be too disappointed in the price hike considering I have been getting some awesome figures consistently over the past 4 years, and that trend looks to continue. and I like the way they have the waves set up since we are now again away from combiners so I can pick more and feel like I don't need to get them all to form a bigger guy.

In short, your original post was a ramble once more, and here we have cool figures simply catching up in price to other brands, and Transformers has shown no sign of suffering from economics or whatever, seeing as how we do now have 3 solid lines, 4 if you count SS and Bee as separate, and tey are all doing well and hitting their targets

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Since I really love to rub it in with my ramblings...........Encore

https://www.businessinsider.com/sears-s ... tcy-2017-5

Sears has a bigger problem than plunging sales: dwindling inventory.

The companies that supply Sears with the TVs, toys, and clothing in its stores are increasingly concerned about the retailer's ability to pay its bills, and some are cutting back on shipments to stores as a result.


Just my ramblings. It only applies to Sears or TRU. Not Hasbro. No sireeee

Not even remotely applicable here. I have never seen a Transformer at Sears, and I haven't even seen a Sears in a decade.

And besides, Target and Walmart are doing pretty good. TRU was bad company management and they deserved what they got, they had the toys, but far from the best prices and practices.

And I have now seen every SS and PotP figure at Target, lending me to believe that the same will happen with Siege. Target has really grown and taken over the mantel.

So yeah, your comments here were off topic and not even really connected to TFs, or even toys. Hasbro ain't suffering with Sears, and TRU suffered cause TRU.

Now, back to Siege. Where I'm pretty sure Magnus pulled off a better Cybertronian Optimus Prime than Siege's Optimus Prime.

[william-james88]

Everyone, we currently do not know of price increases at retailers so i dont get the issue. Also please remember that Hasbro already increased the MSRP of generations deluxes to 20$ for the second half of POTP.

[fenrir72]

Just because you say it that then with a magic wand THINK with a uniform singular thought?

SW cost Hb a chunk in franchising fees. The highest. Higher than Marvel. No need to get a PhD in economics to know that the y had to recoup their investments.

The units didn't sell. It took a big chunk of their profit margins.The potential money to be used for further R & D.

How do you fill up that big GAP? Loans? Hopefully the interest rates are low.

And Price increases. To offset the costs. No politics there. Simple neutral economics.

Just hope Hb doesn't squeeze the "golden goose" aka the Man Babies who buy TF with disposable income too much. Or, well okay with the price increases so long as the quality ain't sacrificed (hollow legs, shins, arms etc......)

Um, He said Star Wars was noted as underperforming, but TFs still good. The price increase brings this line on par with Studio Series, which as far as I'm and many others are concerned are doing pretty good and are generally on the whole worth it.

You keep bringing up this sort of thing, but I have yet to see any solid evidence with you, and it tends to be more rambling and more shameful personal opinions, some of which doesn't make sense. You keep comparing to Star Wars, but Star Wars has suffered far more than the TFs, and far more weight has been put on them.

The price increase is the price of things going up, and honestly, saying Sideswipe, Cog, an Infinity War Thor, and Black Series Rey all cost the same isn't that bad, especially with how much more the TFs actually do.

Check my post. What is applicable to Sears and TRU is applicable to Hasbro. I posted a link on a business focused site.

If you choose not to see then ...tough!

I have seen, and it's still been far from reputable. You have yet to provide hard, unbiased evidence from reputable sources that clearly show that Hasbro's transformers are in major trouble, considering they have been named by Hasbro recently as being the best growing brand over the past 2 years, while Star Wars has been the disappointment, probably because too much in too short of time and too overloaded with figures that a lot of people don't want.

Heck, look at RiD and it's connections to the mobile game. The show was alright, it had a long toyline that was successful and churned out some great stuff, and it connected to the mobile game, all nice and connected.

These figures are simply a product of times and they are moving up to the Studio Series level, and I won't be too disappointed in the price hike considering I have been getting some awesome figures consistently over the past 4 years, and that trend looks to continue. and I like the way they have the waves set up since we are now again away from combiners so I can pick more and feel like I don't need to get them all to form a bigger guy.

In short, your original post was a ramble once more, and here we have cool figures simply catching up in price to other brands, and Transformers has shown no sign of suffering from economics or whatever, seeing as how we do now have 3 solid lines, 4 if you count SS and Bee as separate, and tey are all doing well and hitting their targets

Business Insider not reputable? Talk about selective processing of business facts.

Yup. Such situations where suppliers like Hasbro will continue on selling items to stores that can't pay. That's a very "profitable business model" alright............like in Venezuela or NK!

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Yup. Such situations where suppliers like Hasbro will continue on selling items to stores that can't pay. That's a very "profitable business model" alright............like in Venezuela or NK!

Again, Sears? No TFs in there since when? actual good toys since when?

Dude, you are literally arguing business when there really isn't business to argue here, especially since you are arguing business that has no connection to Hasbro whatsoever in terms of Sears. And TRU is long dead, and proven to be their fault. All of which has been said and ignored cause you want to keep going to prove you're right when there's nothing remotely on topic to prove.

So once more, do you actually have anything intelligent, proper, applicable, and/or even remotely on topic to Siege packaging and prices that really aren't that bad? Cause if not, I'd like to get back to Siege the line and not Siege the "bullshit popping up from a spammer who likes to think he knows a lot but instead annoys everyone with his long posts about nothing really on topic"

[D-Maximal_Primal]

To move on now, I bring up this comment: I think Siege Magnus makes a better Cybertronian Optimus Prime than Siege Optimus Prime. Thoughts?

[Skritz]

To move on now, I bring up this comment: I think Siege Magnus makes a better Cybertronian Optimus Prime than Siege Optimus Prime. Thoughts?

Absolutely agree. Regular Optimus is far too Earth-like, even more so than Sideswipe and Hound.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

To move on now, I bring up this comment: I think Siege Magnus makes a better Cybertronian Optimus Prime than Siege Optimus Prime. Thoughts?

Absolutely agree. Regular Optimus is far too Earth-like, even more so than Sideswipe and Hound.

The alt mode looks like it so could be a cool more Cybertronian Prime, but then the robot mode is... there. no surprises, no layers, just there. I like how the Magnus inner Prime is done, it has a nice look and aesthetic to it

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Thanks to the Transformers Overdrive Facebook Page, we have new in-hand images of the highly anticipated deluxe class Decepticon Skytread AKA Flywheels! This figure is a modern re-imagining of the 2nd of 2 Duocons, and features a nice jet and tank mode that combine into a pretty sweet looking robot! Flywheels is set to come out 1 year after his fellow Duocon Battletrap got a Power of the Primes release, only in that case Battletrap was reimagined as the combined mode of 2 different robots in Powerlinx style.

Skytread is noted as having no real visible Battle Damage paint apps, unusual considering the line is supposed to be centered around some battle damage paint details. He is also compatible with Battletrap, so you can swap pants and shirts galore! It's also interesting to note that the packaging features no bio and the figure does indeed come minus the collectors card.

Check out the images below, and let us know what you think of this new Duocon below!

[Skritz]

Anyone think he's a POTP leftover reworked for Siege, with the individual robot modes gutted to make for a more accurate Flywheels?

[Wireless_Phantom]

I see. Well this is definitely one of those features that you can use but probably shouldn't.

[Autobot N]

Anyone think he's a POTP leftover reworked for Siege, with the individual robot modes gutted to make for a more accurate Flywheels?

Perhaps. He just seems different than all of the other figures in the line, with less battle damage and greeble.

[Randomhero]

Anyone think he's a POTP leftover reworked for Siege, with the individual robot modes gutted to make for a more accurate Flywheels?

No. I think Hasbro probably said “We really don’t have that many decepticons left to remake and there weren’t a lot of them in season one so let’s finish up some of the teams we’ve already been doing”

There wasn’t anything to gut and Hasbro was pretty open that POTP was going to be short from the start. Just look at him. There’s nothing that show there were two robots even on a blueprint stance. I think hasbro just decided to make the fans happy and finish the Duocons. Not every team is completed in the same line. Took 4 years to complete the Autobot triple changers and 6 years to get a retail thundercracker in the classics mold. Not everything get out in the same line and siege is very much not leftovers of POTP

[Randomhero]

Anyone think he's a POTP leftover reworked for Siege, with the individual robot modes gutted to make for a more accurate Flywheels?

Perhaps. He just seems different than all of the other figures in the line, with less battle damage and greeble.

Shockwave has very little and so does reflector. Mileage varies

[Burn]

Just because you say it that then with a magic wand THINK with a uniform singular thought?

SW cost Hb a chunk in franchising fees. The highest. Higher than Marvel. No need to get a PhD in economics to know that the y had to recoup their investments.

The units didn't sell. It took a big chunk of their profit margins.The potential money to be used for further R & D.

How do you fill up that big GAP? Loans? Hopefully the interest rates are low.

And Price increases. To offset the costs. No politics there. Simple neutral economics.

Just hope Hb doesn't squeeze the "golden goose" aka the Man Babies who buy TF with disposable income too much. Or, well okay with the price increases so long as the quality ain't sacrificed (hollow legs, shins, arms etc......)

Um, He said Star Wars was noted as underperforming, but TFs still good. The price increase brings this line on par with Studio Series, which as far as I'm and many others are concerned are doing pretty good and are generally on the whole worth it.

You keep bringing up this sort of thing, but I have yet to see any solid evidence with you, and it tends to be more rambling and more shameful personal opinions, some of which doesn't make sense. You keep comparing to Star Wars, but Star Wars has suffered far more than the TFs, and far more weight has been put on them.

The price increase is the price of things going up, and honestly, saying Sideswipe, Cog, an Infinity War Thor, and Black Series Rey all cost the same isn't that bad, especially with how much more the TFs actually do.

Check my post. What is applicable to Sears and TRU is applicable to Hasbro. I posted a link on a business focused site.

If you choose not to see then ...tough!

I have seen, and it's still been far from reputable. You have yet to provide hard, unbiased evidence from reputable sources that clearly show that Hasbro's transformers are in major trouble, considering they have been named by Hasbro recently as being the best growing brand over the past 2 years, while Star Wars has been the disappointment, probably because too much in too short of time and too overloaded with figures that a lot of people don't want.

Heck, look at RiD and it's connections to the mobile game. The show was alright, it had a long toyline that was successful and churned out some great stuff, and it connected to the mobile game, all nice and connected.

These figures are simply a product of times and they are moving up to the Studio Series level, and I won't be too disappointed in the price hike considering I have been getting some awesome figures consistently over the past 4 years, and that trend looks to continue. and I like the way they have the waves set up since we are now again away from combiners so I can pick more and feel like I don't need to get them all to form a bigger guy.

In short, your original post was a ramble once more, and here we have cool figures simply catching up in price to other brands, and Transformers has shown no sign of suffering from economics or whatever, seeing as how we do now have 3 solid lines, 4 if you count SS and Bee as separate, and tey are all doing well and hitting their targets

Business Insider not reputable? Talk about selective processing of business facts.

Yup. Such situations where suppliers like Hasbro will continue on selling items to stores that can't pay. That's a very "profitable business model" alright............like in Venezuela or NK!

fenrir72, you have driven multiple threads off-topic with your talk of how badly the Star Wars toys under-performed. If you feel so strongly about the issue then start a thread in General Discussion about it, otherwise, any further derailing of threads will result in a warning.

For everyone else, please stop responding to off-topic posts and keep to the topic at hand.

[Burn]

Anyone think he's a POTP leftover reworked for Siege, with the individual robot modes gutted to make for a more accurate Flywheels?

nah, very reliable source said to me (and other staff) over a year ago that Flywheels was going to be this way.

I just hope they do Siege Battletrap and right the injustice of POTP Battletrap.