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ZeroWolf wrote:Is the only difference being colour? I can look past it, didn't animated use different colour con signs? (genuinely can't remember)
Nathaniel Prime wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Is the only difference being colour? I can look past it, didn't animated use different colour con signs? (genuinely can't remember)
No, the most eye catching difference is the shape of the "eyes". On G1, they are triangular in shape, whereas in the Bayverse insignia, they have four sides.
Siege Starscream has the four-sided version, so it is the Bayverse insignia being used here
Both of those have triangle eyes.william-james88 wrote:Nathaniel Prime wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Is the only difference being colour? I can look past it, didn't animated use different colour con signs? (genuinely can't remember)
No, the most eye catching difference is the shape of the "eyes". On G1, they are triangular in shape, whereas in the Bayverse insignia, they have four sides.
Siege Starscream has the four-sided version, so it is the Bayverse insignia being used here
Here's another example of the differences between the 2:
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
william-james88 wrote:So, anyone else happy they can now have a G1 style Barricade to add to your collection that isn't exclusive/expensive?
Two versions of MP-11SW.ZeroWolf wrote:Sabrblade's example was a lot clearer thank you though which Skywarp is that toy?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Two versions of MP-11SW.ZeroWolf wrote:Sabrblade's example was a lot clearer thank you though which Skywarp is that toy?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:In other news, Starscream is really just a guy in the jet suit:
Really? I don't recall the 1984 toy able to remove all of its altmode kibble and make a completely separate vehicle from the robot.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Sabrblade wrote:In other news, Starscream is really just a guy in the jet suit:
Sooo G1! Geoff Senior would be so proud![]()
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Name three other Starscream toys whose altmodes can be detached completely separate from their robot modes without losing the core integrity of the robot mode, and in one piece without having to reassemble anything.Nathaniel Prime wrote:In other news, water is wet![]()
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Really? I don't recall the 1984 toy able to remove all of its altmode kibble and make a completely separate vehicle from the robot.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Sabrblade wrote:In other news, Starscream is really just a guy in the jet suit:
Sooo G1! Geoff Senior would be so proud![]()
Especially one formed from kibble that's able to be removed all in one whole piece without needing to reassemble anything.
This is a robot guy in a jet suit, not a human in a robot suit. Fleshy-faced artwork has nothing to do with excessive altmode kibble.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Illustrator of Marvel Comics Transformers, known for a visual design of "people in robot suits"..
I didn't think I would need to explain that
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:This is a robot guy in a jet suit, not a human in a robot suit. Fleshy-faced artwork has nothing to do with excessive altmode kibble.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Illustrator of Marvel Comics Transformers, known for a visual design of "people in robot suits"..
I didn't think I would need to explain that
Carnivius_Prime wrote:william-james88 wrote:So, anyone else happy they can now have a G1 style Barricade to add to your collection that isn't exclusive/expensive?
Well you can keep calling it "G1 style Barricade" and I can keep calling it a lazy crap repaint to make more money out of an existing mold rather than provide a more unique and logical figure. I just can't see why people think this is a quality release worthy of spending actual money on. It's the very definition of Hasbro being frickin' lazy and saving money on a new mold by just reusing another with very little effort put into it. And so was Guido Guidi's (yay i got his name right this time) design. The guy's clearly done great work in the past but this whole thing is unimaginative garbage. Damn thing looks too dorky to be a Barricade. Fine for Prowl who's supposed to appear to be the boring good cop but a Barricade is meant to be the bad cop and one who'd rough you up plenty and this figure is far too bland and boring to give even a hint of that.
Really is an absolute total missed opportunity.
Carnivius_Prime wrote:william-james88 wrote:So, anyone else happy they can now have a G1 style Barricade to add to your collection that isn't exclusive/expensive?
Well you can keep calling it "G1 style Barricade" and I can keep calling it a lazy crap repaint to make more money out of an existing mold rather than provide a more unique and logical figure. I just can't see why people think this is a quality release worthy of spending actual money on. It's the very definition of Hasbro being frickin' lazy and saving money on a new mold by just reusing another with very little effort put into it. And so was Guido Guidi's (yay i got his name right this time) design. The guy's clearly done great work in the past but this whole thing is unimaginative garbage. Damn thing looks too dorky to be a Barricade. Fine for Prowl who's supposed to appear to be the boring good cop but a Barricade is meant to be the bad cop and one who'd rough you up plenty and this figure is far too bland and boring to give even a hint of that.
Really is an absolute total missed opportunity.
Wolfman Jake wrote:Carnivius_Prime wrote:william-james88 wrote:So, anyone else happy they can now have a G1 style Barricade to add to your collection that isn't exclusive/expensive?
Well you can keep calling it "G1 style Barricade" and I can keep calling it a lazy crap repaint to make more money out of an existing mold rather than provide a more unique and logical figure. I just can't see why people think this is a quality release worthy of spending actual money on. It's the very definition of Hasbro being frickin' lazy and saving money on a new mold by just reusing another with very little effort put into it. And so was Guido Guidi's (yay i got his name right this time) design. The guy's clearly done great work in the past but this whole thing is unimaginative garbage. Damn thing looks too dorky to be a Barricade. Fine for Prowl who's supposed to appear to be the boring good cop but a Barricade is meant to be the bad cop and one who'd rough you up plenty and this figure is far too bland and boring to give even a hint of that.
Really is an absolute total missed opportunity.
SIEGE Barricade is the result of a thought experiment. "What if Barricade had been in the original 1984/85 Transformers toy line-up?" What would his design have been? What mold would have been used? This is the answer. He's based heavily on an existing Diaclone mold. In this case, the one that became Prowl and Bluestreak and was eventually retooled into Smokescreen. That's what Guido Guidi was up to years ago with his fan art rendition, and it's the same conclusion Hasbro came to as well. Imagine if in 1985, Hasbro added a few more Decepticons based on Diaclone molds. Barricade could have been the result of taking the Smokescreen retool, repainting it, and adding a light bar to make him a police car again. The difference with the SIEGE version is that there isn't going to be any retooling to the alt mode between Prowl/Bluestreak and Smokescreen/Barricade. Only the head sculpts and weapon load outs are different. The light bars are modular pieces that can be included or excluded, just like the shoulder cannons or other weapons. If you don't "get it," that's fine. But other people do, and that doesn't make their opinion less valid than yours. Liking something is subjective. I can appreciate that you don't like the mold in general, though, in which case yes, it would be disappointing that the same mold you don't like as Prowl is also now Barricade.
That should make it easier to retool him into a proper Earth-mode jet.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I've mentioned before, the disconnect in the lack of Windblade redesigns. Do they think she wouldn't be recognisable to Fans unless she looked identical in every line?
o.supreme wrote:While I personally do not plan to get Barricade because it doesn't fit into my collection I think it looks good. I just think it's the reverse engineering aspect that is throwing some fans off. Taking a figure that initially was not part of the *best years* of the original series, and making him appear to fit in
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