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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Cobotron » Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:46 pm

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Cobotron » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:37 pm

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Well, my Ironhide just arrived from Pulse today.

I figure, if we're gonna go Diaclone...

Let's go ALL THE WAY!!!
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What a kickass figure! I'm happy to report the leg panels don't seem to be as loose as others have reported. I have to pull with a bit of force to get them to come off. However they don't tab down well.
Love the size of him compared to the other Deluxes. Love that torso twist in the transformation. Love the head sculpt. And the hammer cannon is the cool!
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

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Posing Soundwave with Ravage claw mode and Lazerbeak flying over head. I cant praise this figure enough.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Latebrus-K » Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:55 am

Looks like the next issue of IDW’s series continues to be a siege bonanza, this time with “Skytread”, “Refraktor”, and... Elita One? Going off her “collar”, she seems to be a virtual retool of siege Chromia. Disappointing for scaling with Optimus - and her head looks pretty off - but sure beats the PotP jet-hulk.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby AcademyofDrX » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:45 am

Cobotron wrote:Well, my Ironhide just arrived from Pulse today.

What a kickass figure! I'm happy to report the leg panels don't seem to be as loose as others have reported. I have to pull with a bit of force to get them to come off. However they don't tab down well.
Love the size of him compared to the other Deluxes. Love that torso twist in the transformation. Love the head sculpt. And the hammer cannon is the cool!


Me yesterday: How can a torso twist be exciting?

Me today, after opening my own package from Pulse: OH!

I have the same leg panel issues as everyone else, but it's a very minor concern. And as others have mentioned, his size and number of ports are perfect for Six-gun.

Prowl and Lazerbeak are my favorites from Wave 2, but Ironhide is also great.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Cobotron » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:55 am

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AcademyofDrX wrote:Me yesterday: How can a torso twist be exciting?

Me today, after opening my own package from Pulse: OH!
Ha! Right? I thought after posting that, I hope folks don't think I mean a standard waist swivel. But, yeah, the OTHER torso swivel! :lol: ;)^
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:03 am

Cobotron wrote:
AcademyofDrX wrote:Me yesterday: How can a torso twist be exciting?

Me today, after opening my own package from Pulse: OH!
Ha! Right? I thought after posting that, I hope folks don't think I mean a standard waist swivel. But, yeah, the OTHER torso swivel! :lol: ;)^


Oh man, now I'm all tingling with anticipation. Ironhide, Chromia and a couple Six Guns arrived from Hasbro Pulse on Monday (with Prowl arriving today), but so far I've only been able to open them. My youngest saw them arrive and commandeered them to play school, and they are currently still stuck in class. SixGun is a stern but fair teacher.

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I've got the afternoon off today, and will finally have some time to play, before setting them all back up in "class" so the new student (Prowl) can be introduced.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:04 pm

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Cobotron wrote:
AcademyofDrX wrote:Me yesterday: How can a torso twist be exciting?

Me today, after opening my own package from Pulse: OH!
Ha! Right? I thought after posting that, I hope folks don't think I mean a standard waist swivel. But, yeah, the OTHER torso swivel! :lol: ;)^


As much as possible, I like to figure out a figure's transformation without looking at the instructions. With Siege Ironhide, I was a little stuck with what to do with the chest at first. It looked like it hinged out, but nothing would budge. Then I saw the circle inside, and thought I could twist it around, but it wouldn't budge. Finally, I tried again to twist, and it worked. Just took a little more force to get it going than I would have thought. It's a very sleek transformation overall, though. Not overly complicated, but still satisfying and elegant. My only issue is that, of course, the leg panels will fall off as you are handling the figure, trying to transform it between modes.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:03 pm

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I'd like to stimulate some conversation by way of speculation about the upcoming Siege Ratchet (Walgreens exclusive in the U.S., presumably). I assume he'll use the Ironhide mold with a new Ratchet head sculpt, but how exactly will Hasbro and Takara Tomy go about giving him a classic G1 deco? My first guess is a simple swap of plastic colors, trading out all the red plastic for white and all the dark gray plastic for red. The light gray plastic should probably be white too, but I'll not be too upset if it remains light gray (it only really affects the thighs and windshield hinge, honestly). That all sounds good, but it also sounds quite plain. What other deco details might the designers employ to make Ratchet look a little more visually interesting on toys shelves but still stay true to the "G1 Cartoon" aesthetic this line seems to be aiming for? Maybe using some blue paint on the inside of the "driver's cabin" instead of silver like on Ironhide will help the figure pop more with all that white around it? I kind of wish they'd done that with Prowl too, honestly.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby sol magnus » Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:08 pm

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Wolfman Jake wrote:I'd like to stimulate some conversation by way of speculation about the upcoming SIEGE Ratchet (Walgreens exclusive in the U.S., presumably). I assume he'll use the Ironhide mold with a new Ratchet head sculpt, but how exactly will Hasbro and Takara Tomy go about giving him a classic G1 deco? My first guess is a simple swap of plastic colors, trading out all the red plastic for white and all the dark gray plastic for red. The light gray plastic should probably be white too, but I'll not be too upset if it remains light gray (it only really affects the thighs and windshield hinge, honestly). That all sounds good, but it also sounds quite plain. What other deco details might the designers employ to make Ratchet look a little more visually interesting on toys shelves but still stay true to the "G1 Cartoon" aesthetic this line seems to be aiming for? Maybe using some blue paint on the inside of the "driver's cabin" instead of silver like on Ironhide will help the figure pop more with all that white around it? I kind of wish they'd done that with Prowl too, honestly.


Strangely enough, I'm actually looking forward to running around to 50-11 Walgreens to find this Ratchet when it hits.

While his aesthetic is worthy conversation to be sure, I just want to make sure I get one. I do seem to remember running into the exclusive Headmasters(?) at Walgreens, but I was strictly Masterpiece except for top 5-8 characters at the time.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:14 pm

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Here's another consideration. How are they going to do the light bar for Siege Ratchet? They can't really use the same one as they have for Prowl and Red Alert. There's no central 5mm hole on the top of the Siege Ironhide mold. They'll almost have to make one that has two 5mm pegs on either end, instead of one in the middle, to secure it atop the shoulders in vehicle mode. What will they do for a weapon for Ratchet? What if they used that plastic budget to sculpt a nice roof top with a light bar that covers the gaps left by the arms in vehicle mode in the Ironhide version of the mold. The roof part can then pop off and become a shield for Ratchet to use instead of a weapon.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby sol magnus » Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:27 pm

Motto: "This is the most beautiful thing in the entire universe. Ok, give me the bomb."
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Wolfman Jake wrote:Here's another consideration. How are they going to do the light bar for Siege Ratchet? They can't really use the same one as they have for Prowl and Red Alert. There's no central 5mm hole on the top of the Siege Ironhide mold. They'll almost have to make on that has two 5mm pegs on either end, instead of one in the middle, to secure it atop the shoulders in vehicle mode. What will they do for a weapon for Ratchet? What if they used that plastic budget to sculpt a nice roof top with a light bar that covers the gaps left by the arms in vehicle mode in the Ironhide version of the mold. The roof part can then pop off and become a shield for Ratchet to use instead of a weapon.

You certainly have it well thought out. Now, if we can get a Ratchet appearance in the Transformers comic, we might have a decent idea of how he's going to look with less speculation.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:58 pm

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I'm thinking Ratchet will be entirely white with the stripe deco on the leg panels. If there is a light bar, I think it'll be a new mold lightbar that has 2 pegs so it can mount on his shoulders, and he'll come with a new gun that has 2 pegs so the lightbar can clip to it
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:27 pm

sol magnus wrote:Strangely enough, I'm actually looking forward to running around to 50-11 Walgreens to find this Ratchet when it hits.

While his aesthetic is worthy conversation to be sure, I just want to make sure I get one. I do seem to remember running into the exclusive Headmasters(?) at Walgreens, but I was strictly Masterpiece except for top 5-8 characters at the time.


No worries, if you are in the US, he should be fairly easy to come by. TR Brainstorm, the TR Clones and PotP Wreck Gar were all very easily available. They just won't hit until the Walgreen's stores rearrange things for Christmas in late October/early November.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Sentinel_Primal » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:15 pm

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Wolfman Jake wrote:I'd like to stimulate some conversation by way of speculation about the upcoming Siege Ratchet (Walgreens exclusive in the U.S., presumably). I assume he'll use the Ironhide mold with a new Ratchet head sculpt, but how exactly will Hasbro and Takara Tomy go about giving him a classic G1 deco? My first guess is a simple swap of plastic colors, trading out all the red plastic for white and all the dark gray plastic for red. The light gray plastic should probably be white too, but I'll not be too upset if it remains light gray (it only really affects the thighs and windshield hinge, honestly). That all sounds good, but it also sounds quite plain. What other deco details might the designers employ to make Ratchet look a little more visually interesting on toys shelves but still stay true to the "G1 Cartoon" aesthetic this line seems to be aiming for? Maybe using some blue paint on the inside of the "driver's cabin" instead of silver like on Ironhide will help the figure pop more with all that white around it? I kind of wish they'd done that with Prowl too, honestly.

I still want to know how they plan to go about the headsculpt. Will it be red with white chevrons like the Marvel comic, white with grey chevrons like the G1 cartoon, or white with red chevrons like some of the more recent versions of Ratchet. Personally, I'm hoping for the white and red because I've always preferred that small pop of color the red chevrons give that the others miss
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby TrypticonCarne » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:55 pm

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:22 pm

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TrypticonCarne wrote:I am not reuploading 92 images here so click the link for a bunch of images of Siege Galaxy upgrade optimus prime
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Hmm, partially armored with just the shoulder armor and legs actually looks pretty cool. :-?

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:26 pm

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Sentinel_Primal wrote:I still want to know how they plan to go about the headsculpt. Will it be red with white chevrons like the Marvel comic, white with grey chevrons like the G1 cartoon, or white with red chevrons like some of the more recent versions of Ratchet. Personally, I'm hoping for the white and red because I've always preferred that small pop of color the red chevrons give that the others miss


My bet is on the cartoon accurate white helmet with dark grey crest, because it seems to me that Hasbro is leaning more towards cartoon accuracy with Siege. Red Alert actually gets a retooled head and red helmet to match his cartoon appearance, after all. Hasbro would have just left him with Sideswipe's head like the original toy and been done with it years ago.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby blackeyedprime » Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:05 am

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I doubt ratchet will have any resculpting other than maybe a new head. If they do retool the figure I can see it being used as a basis for trailbreaker and hoist (all be it innacurate). If they do go to the efforts to make ratchet different then we might see a straight up repaint of Ironhide in black/diaclone for the selects figures.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:14 am

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Wolfman Jake wrote:
Sentinel_Primal wrote:I still want to know how they plan to go about the headsculpt. Will it be red with white chevrons like the Marvel comic, white with grey chevrons like the G1 cartoon, or white with red chevrons like some of the more recent versions of Ratchet. Personally, I'm hoping for the white and red because I've always preferred that small pop of color the red chevrons give that the others miss


My bet is on the cartoon accurate white helmet with dark grey crest, because it seems to me that Hasbro is leaning more towards cartoon accuracy with Siege. Red Alert actually gets a retooled head and red helmet to match his cartoon appearance, after all. Hasbro would have just left him with Sideswipe's head like the original toy and been done with it years ago.
It'd be nice to finally get a Ratchet with a helmet colored like one of his own, instead of wearing one colored like Prowl's, for a change.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:21 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:
Sentinel_Primal wrote:I still want to know how they plan to go about the headsculpt. Will it be red with white chevrons like the Marvel comic, white with grey chevrons like the G1 cartoon, or white with red chevrons like some of the more recent versions of Ratchet. Personally, I'm hoping for the white and red because I've always preferred that small pop of color the red chevrons give that the others miss


My bet is on the cartoon accurate white helmet with dark grey crest, because it seems to me that Hasbro is leaning more towards cartoon accuracy with Siege. Red Alert actually gets a retooled head and red helmet to match his cartoon appearance, after all. Hasbro would have just left him with Sideswipe's head like the original toy and been done with it years ago.
It'd be nice to finally get a Ratchet with a helmet colored like one of his own, instead of wearing one colored like Prowl's, for a change.


Well, there is Henkei (and Autobot Warriors) Ratchet, but I'm guessing you mean something from Hasbro as opposed to Takara Tomy?

Here's some more food for thought while we're talking retooled head sculpts. Do you think we would be so lucky as to have a retooled head for 35th Anniversary (Siege) Bluestreak? I was impressed that Red Alert got a resculpted head, despite the early CG mock-ups that showed him with a repainted Sideswipe head. We know that Siege Barricade will use a pretooled Smokescreen head. What's to stop Bluestreak from getting that same love and attention to detail? I know Prowl and Bluestreak have very similar looking heads in their cartoon models at first blush, and I wouldn't be surprised or overly disappointed if they just repainted Prowl's head for Bleustreak, but I think going the extra mile to distinguish the two in their new toy forms by more than just paint decos would be very much appreciated by the longtime fans that the Siege line seems aimed at pleasing first and foremost.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:10 pm

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I know we've already talked about our woes over the recent stock photography reveals for Red Alert, but I don't think we've asked ourselves explicitly "what the heck went wrong?" yet. Red Alert definitely gets the "Least Improved" award for the Siege line so far, with regards to the translation from CG mock-ups to in-hand products.

If I remember correctly, I think Hasbro has explained that they budget out a size class based on who's in the case assortment/wave and not by a strict budget per each figure. Maybe some other figure in Wave 3 ate up the paint budget for Red Alert? It's hard to imagine who that would be, unless Reflector needed a lot more paint detail that we'd think or getting Brunt's gun barrel orange again was more costly that it would initially seem.

The loss of some paint app details is unfortunately, but understandable. What I can't understand, though, is why they would need to cast the light bar in the same dark/smoky plastic as the car canopy for Red Alert. The gun and the light bar are obviously part of separate molds, as they are the same used for Prowl, and not tied to the Sideswipe mold and presumably not the Prowl mold either. They could have easily kept the dark canopy for the vehicle mode (which does look cool and helps break up all the white in car mode) and cast the light bar in the same clear plastic as Prowl.
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Postby Ironhidensh » Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:54 pm

Motto: "Tell those damned kids to stay off my lawn!!!"
Weapon: Big Cannon
Picked up Chromia for my son today, and of course, I had to play with it a bit as well.


Hot damn, this figure sucks. Nice robot mode, but the car mode, and most especially, the transformation to car mode, is incredibly lame.
Photobucket can die now.

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