megatronus wrote:Eh. I think we just have a rosy view of that time. There were plenty of stinkers then, too.
Like Voyager Animated Cybertron Mode Megatron
Or how they used the movie Brawn mold to give us classics Outback
megatronus wrote:Eh. I think we just have a rosy view of that time. There were plenty of stinkers then, too.
william-james88 wrote:Well of course because in that time period you get Animated, First Edition Prime, HFTD, RTS and the best movie leaders. Plus you get Onslaught and Warpath. Yeah, thats a beautiful era.
Yeah, let's see here, we had:megatronus wrote:Eh. I think we just have a rosy view of that time. There were plenty of stinkers then, too.
megatronus wrote:Eh. I think we just have a rosy view of that time. There were plenty of stinkers then, too.
Kibble wrote:megatronus wrote:Eh. I think we just have a rosy view of that time. There were plenty of stinkers then, too.
I don't think so. Yes, there were some not so great figures, sure, but a lot of the so called bad figures from then would be some of the better figures if they were released now. Like Universe Galvatron that's supposedly the worst thing ever...I think that's better than most the molds that have come since FOC. The engineering was vastly superior then, transformations more creative and solid, they actually had proper articulation most of the time, and the figures weren't hollow and a size class smaller.
Kibble wrote:megatronus wrote:Eh. I think we just have a rosy view of that time. There were plenty of stinkers then, too.
I don't think so. Yes, there were some not so great figures, sure, but a lot of the so called bad figures from then would be some of the better figures if they were released now. Like Universe Galvatron that's supposedly the worst thing ever...I think that's better than most the molds that have come since FOC. The engineering was vastly superior then, transformations more creative and solid, they actually had proper articulation most of the time, and the figures weren't hollow and a size class smaller.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Kibble wrote:I do like leader Magnus. I also like Metroplex a lot...and while quite flawed, I like leader Jetfire as well...probably because Classics Jetfire was equally flawed and the leader one looks the part better. Outside of those, I haven't been particularly impressed with Generations since 'the glory days'. Springer and Sandstorm are solid, but not OMG!!!! I probably like Blitzwing better and he's seriously flawed. I dunno, maybe MP ruined me or maybe I'm just losing interest in TFs in general again. I still think the figures just aren't as impressive as they were, though.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Kibble wrote:I do like leader Magnus. I also like Metroplex a lot...and while quite flawed, I like leader Jetfire as well...probably because Classics Jetfire was equally flawed and the leader one looks the part better. Outside of those, I haven't been particularly impressed with Generations since 'the glory days'. Springer and Sandstorm are solid, but not OMG!!!! I probably like Blitzwing better and he's seriously flawed. I dunno, maybe MP ruined me or maybe I'm just losing interest in TFs in general again. I still think the figures just aren't as impressive as they were, though.
ScottyP wrote:Galvatron isn't very fun, but he's by no means a bell-weather for the entire time period. New "Classics" styled figures molds, at that time, weren't getting anything but deluxe scale. What they pulled off in most cases is superior, engineering and quality wise, to what we have today by most objective measure.
ScottyP wrote:This also doesn't mean that we don't have comparably good stuff today, as Will pointed out with stuff like Cosmos. I don't think they're so much like Energon/Cybertron Scout class as they are bigger, slightly nicer Cyberverse Commanders. Later generation scouts in movie lines were much more the idealized goal of that now defunct size class than today's Legends. And they are not the same size class. If you really think so, you haven't held one of each of them near each other lately.
ScottyP wrote:I have more to say on this but the words aren't flowing. In short, no one here is wrong at all, but most of you are going to extremes with your points.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
megatronus wrote:I'm glad to see United Rumble/Frenzy reissued in the TAV line. What a wacky assortment that line is shaping up to be.
Agree to disagree then Were RotF being talked about, wholeheartedly agreed. Pointless complexity even on the "simpler" transformations. For the Classics styled toys of the rough '08-'11 era, I feel like they struck a more appropriate balance of design, challenge, fun, and intuitiveness than today's toys. Lacking "challenge" is a throw-away, because as you mentioned, different times, circumstances, etc hold. However, I think even today there are design things that could be and would have been done better in the past, and that this would hold true more often than the opposite.megatronus wrote:I disagree, and counter that you're conflating complex with 'better', at least in the engineering department.
I think it has ankle tilts though, right? They're on everything, even the Devastator guys with no elbows. This is because Hasbro probably accidentally read too much into the old "ankle tilt" meme, therefore Devastator is our faultKibble wrote:Me again...I figured I'd post because I just pulled out leader Magnus again tonight...and while I still like the figure quite a bit, I realize it's kinda based on a curve compared to the junk they've been putting out. Had this come out toward the end of 'the glory years' it would be ripped to high hell. Hollow, tabberiffic transformation, no wrist articulation or ankle tilt, wonky arm articulation, no waist swivel, no rim paint on the wheels...and all this at the leader size class that's been shrunk down to ultra class and raised to a supreme class price point. SMH...
I'm sure this is different depending on who you ask For me, toy wise, it was 2005 - 2009. Comics wise, it's 2011-present. TV show wise, it's long gone.william-james88 wrote:Just making sure, are the golden years 2006-2012?
Kibble wrote:
The glory years? I'd say it was pretty much the Generations line after the movie was released, up until the FOC figs...when the engineering was at its peek. The actual Classics line, pre-movie, are cool enough figures, but they don't have the same level of engineering and cleverness the Generations line had. The Classics transformations did at least solidly lock into place, though, instead of the loose friction pegs everything uses now. That tends to annoy me.
Gotcha. I was pretty good with the bot mode scale. Maybe a touch tall, but the heft worked out for my tastes. Really did feel like a MP-10 could hide in there pretty effectively had they gone that route, and it would have worked out to be very close to the same size.Kibble wrote:I have MP Magnus, and am mostly a fan. I do wish it was properly scaled in bot mode like all the other figures post MP-10, but what can you do? Most prefer the alt mode scale for this particular exception for some strange reason...I dunno, my figs spend 99% of their time in bot mode so that's the mode that takes scale priority for me.
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