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Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Scotty P wrote:My vagina is just fine right now.
SW's SilverHammer wrote:I totally support the idea of factionless characters. Even though I never liked the "Unicron Trilogy", my favorite concept from galaxy force was the non bot/con affiliates. It makes allot of sense in the IDW universe just because 1. We have new guys and gals on all sides, and they won't know that the book of revelations has been occurring on cybertron for millennia. And 2. jesus christ the war's been going on for millennia, it needs to end from a story perspective.
Actually, that brings up a question id like to ask. Do you think, from a narrative perspective, in the transformers as a fictionalized history, the civil war should end, and the factions phased out over time? if so what story possibilities arrive from that point?
It's no secret that at some point the war ends, in beast wars and wings, the signing of the pax cybertronia is the official surrender, and this can be reflected in multiple ways. Conversely, in IDW the war technically hasn't ended, i would say its like the korean war, one massive ceasefire; but that's generous. The point is, the war will end eventually, and there will be some time of, well not being in a civil war. Saying peace is waaaay to generous. Now that the war is not only iswinding down, but more and more immigrants are coming from off world with no knowledge or influence in the old war, cybertronian society really has to change, and with that is the change in factions sense they would have to change from factions to being a more united society for a chance of prolonged survival as a culture.
Now this could result in multiple avenues for world building and progressing the social ideology of the transformers as characters. For example, the factions change to be less indicative of political beliefs and more of a social or class symbols. Similar to beast wars where predicons where seen as a lower class citizens rather than being part of a specific political belief. Or even more extreme, if the factions are phased out completely, the faction symbols post generation 1 such as the g2 faction symbols![]()
could be seen in a narrative sense can be used a symbols of revivalism, extremists, or even hate groups in transformers society. Imagine, years go by, and an extreme conservative bordering on neo-fascist revival of the autobots that is more similar to prowls ideology begins causing problems in the post war society, or the decipticons integrate more into cybertronian society, becoming more liberal or even Roddenberry socialists/humanist kinda like soundwave. Just changing the whole dynamic of the interaction between these characters.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
megatronus wrote:SW's SilverHammer wrote:I totally support the idea of factionless characters. Even though I never liked the "Unicron Trilogy", my favorite concept from galaxy force was the non bot/con affiliates. It makes allot of sense in the IDW universe just because 1. We have new guys and gals on all sides, and they won't know that the book of revelations has been occurring on cybertron for millennia. And 2. jesus christ the war's been going on for millennia, it needs to end from a story perspective.
Actually, that brings up a question id like to ask. Do you think, from a narrative perspective, in the transformers as a fictionalized history, the civil war should end, and the factions phased out over time? if so what story possibilities arrive from that point?
It's no secret that at some point the war ends, in beast wars and wings, the signing of the pax cybertronia is the official surrender, and this can be reflected in multiple ways. Conversely, in IDW the war technically hasn't ended, i would say its like the korean war, one massive ceasefire; but that's generous. The point is, the war will end eventually, and there will be some time of, well not being in a civil war. Saying peace is waaaay to generous. Now that the war is not only iswinding down, but more and more immigrants are coming from off world with no knowledge or influence in the old war, cybertronian society really has to change, and with that is the change in factions sense they would have to change from factions to being a more united society for a chance of prolonged survival as a culture.
Now this could result in multiple avenues for world building and progressing the social ideology of the transformers as characters. For example, the factions change to be less indicative of political beliefs and more of a social or class symbols. Similar to beast wars where predicons where seen as a lower class citizens rather than being part of a specific political belief. Or even more extreme, if the factions are phased out completely, the faction symbols post generation 1 such as the g2 faction symbols![]()
could be seen in a narrative sense can be used a symbols of revivalism, extremists, or even hate groups in transformers society. Imagine, years go by, and an extreme conservative bordering on neo-fascist revival of the autobots that is more similar to prowls ideology begins causing problems in the post war society, or the decipticons integrate more into cybertronian society, becoming more liberal or even Roddenberry socialists/humanist kinda like soundwave. Just changing the whole dynamic of the interaction between these characters.
I hadn't considered the factionless angle from an IDW perspective - it DOES make sense, especially with the NAILS in RID, and with the Colony Transformers entering the picture now. That said, a lot of your ideas have already played out in the comics. RID & MTMTE are both predicated on a tentative end to the war, and an even more tentative peace... Decepticons are treated, on whole, as second class citizens until Starscream's ascension (and even still).
But old allegiances die hard. This war has been going on for millions of years, and I can't help but look at the trajectory of the comics and think these new unaffiliated Transformers will be caught in the undercurrent of the traditional Autobot-Decpticon conflict. I do think the war should 'end' from a narrative perspective, but it shouldn't go away entirely; having these new entrants navigate that war-torn political landscape makes for potentially compelling storytelling.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
megatronus wrote:A fast forward would be pretty neat, but I see that as being a 'happily-ever-after' type arc to show how great things turn out after Starscream is thwarted and the Lost Light finds the Knights of Cybertron (or not).
I actually have a somewhat different view - I'd like to see what happens during the war itself. IDW has done a great job drumming up the lead up to the war, and it's earliest days, but I'd like to see more 'Last Stand of the Wreckers' type mini-series that sheds light on the conflicts and compromises that inevitably result from war. There's millions of years of material, there.
EDIT: my perspective comes from being largely unfamiliar with IDW pre-RID/MTMTE; I do know the 'war' has been done to death (so to speak).
That was not supposed to make it in >< Oh well!SW's SilverHammer wrote:Scotty P wrote:My vagina is just fine right now.
Welp, I found my new signature.
ScottyP wrote:Love this conversation and will jump in when not at work. Wanted to correct my mention of Red Hoist/Black Skids/Oilmaster's inner bot being SG guys in disguise. It is not correct. I misremembered the comic in the back of TFCC Magazine 60, which had a Blue Trailbreaker, differently colored Swerve, and no Skids at all in reality.
ScottyP wrote:That was not supposed to make it in >< Oh well!SW's SilverHammer wrote:Scotty P wrote:My vagina is just fine right now.
Welp, I found my new signature.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
SW's SilverHammer wrote:I don't think doing a time skip would be a happily ever after, especially if the best wars will occur in IDW's past future. Plus in the intervening time, there can always be the equivalents of your cybertronian Branch Davidians with their crazy false religions and the equivalent of the Waco siege just to think of something. You could Have scourge/black convoy leading a major insurgent group against the status quo, adding insult to injury by being an effigy of Optimus Prime.
SW's SilverHammer wrote:I think for a war time story, they should focus on more what was going on behind the scenes rather than the upfront conflict, because that's what most of the franchise has focused on. whether that be a direct robot shoot lazer boom, or Last Stand of the wreckers where we know both the good guys and bad buys are reprehensible **** that deserve to die and I hope the burn in hell, like spec ops the line. If i were to follow These reprehensible **** that deserve to die and I hope the burn in hell, I want to see the horrible things behind the scenes like espionage, numbers stations, the Institute (which I know was pre war but no one knew if it was still operating) and other things of the like, like say a decipticon or autobot equivalent of Japan's Unit 731. Espionage is my favorite, a little miniseries on Punch Counterpunch, ore Exhaust, both get their information from weird creepy numbers stations trying to uncover horrible operations both sides are participating in.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Is it just me or are they using Legends Megatron and Masterpiece Optimus Prime?!Sabrblade wrote:Heard the request made of me in the podcast. The online Legends manga (well, some of it) can be found here - http://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/toy/event/2014/06/web.html
Sabrblade wrote:Heard the request made of me in the podcast.
The online Legends manga (well, some of it) can be found here - http://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/toy/event/2014/06/web.html
As for the pack-ins, keep pestering reminding me and I'll see what can be found.
Flashwave wrote:On the Speed Planet thing
Someone, Megatronus maybe, made a comment about Knockout not being a Speedster himself, and I think Moonracer's comment was about Knockout's conjex endura, whom I suspect was a strong hint at Breakdown.
Flashwave wrote:Regarding the stock on shelves:
Got a question for you. My two closer 2 Meijers are clearencing the generations Legends figures. And I would think its just flushing stock, but the two same Walmarts now DON'T EVEN HAVE PEGS for the legends. One of those has the Deluxes sitting on a shelf, so... but Are the other stores doing that too in your areas?
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Why wouldn't the Legends manga use Legends Megatron?itscramtastic wrote:Is it just me or are they using Legends Megatron and Masterpiece Optimus Prime?!Sabrblade wrote:Heard the request made of me in the podcast. The online Legends manga (well, some of it) can be found here - http://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/toy/event/2014/06/web.html
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Why wouldn't the Legends manga use Legends Megatron?itscramtastic wrote:Is it just me or are they using Legends Megatron and Masterpiece Optimus Prime?!Sabrblade wrote:Heard the request made of me in the podcast. The online Legends manga (well, some of it) can be found here - http://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/toy/event/2014/06/web.html
Additionally, SG Swerve's deco is a homage to this Brazilian "Pick-Up" toy:Henry921 wrote:Oilmaster's Swerve has SOME of the right color, but the shade of purple is darker, and olive green is not gray.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Mine was more in response both the post before mine and to Ryan's claim in the podcast that this year's Diaclone and Oilmaster toys were done to be stealth SG toys instead of genuinely being what they were marketed as.ScottyP wrote::Reads last two posts:
I already corrected myself yesterday!![]()
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
You are correct SW's SilverHammer, I was referring to the Masterpiece Optimus! I corrected the statementSW's SilverHammer wrote:I think the comment's more about MP prime than legends megatron.Sabrblade wrote:Why wouldn't the Legends manga use Legends Megatron?itscramtastic wrote:Is it just me or are they using Legends Megatron AND Masterpiece Optimus Prime?!
It's meant to be Optimus in a new body based on his original one. The Optimus and Megatron seen in this Legends manga are the JG1 cartoon continuity versions at some point in time after the G-2 manga.itscramtastic wrote:You are correct SW's SilverHammer, I was referring to the Masterpiece Optimus! I corrected the statementSW's SilverHammer wrote:I think the comment's more about MP prime than legends megatron.Sabrblade wrote:Why wouldn't the Legends manga use Legends Megatron?itscramtastic wrote:Is it just me or are they using Legends Megatron AND Masterpiece Optimus Prime?!![]()
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Ah, ok makes sense. Ryan may have said that based on an email conversation he and I had well before the recording, so it might then also be my fault that he'd say that tooSabrblade wrote:Mine was more in response both the post before mine and to Ryan's claim in the podcast that this year's Diaclone and Oilmaster toys were done to be stealth SG toys instead of genuinely being what they were marketed as.ScottyP wrote::Reads last two posts:
I already corrected myself yesterday!![]()
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