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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby Rodimus Prime » Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:57 am

Wasn't really a prediction, more like begging...

Scatman Jazz wrote:I just see no reason to continue making any more of these movies.


I do. Every time I look at my collection or look in the mirror. Bay or no Bay, there's so much more potential for maybe a dozen movies. And I would go see them all.
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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby Sodan-1 » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:23 am

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Sodan-1 wrote:I bloody well hope not. LaBeouf I'm not all that fussed about either way, but Bay's got a director's chair waiting for him in a special circle of hell.


>Implying people get sent to hell for making movies


Implying people get sent to hell for making BAD movies. Bay just happens to be an extra special case.
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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby Nico » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:38 am

See, this is one case where I HOPE they jump on the reboot bandwagon, with a new director and new actors to produce something a little better than those movies. I saw some slight improvements in TF3.

I mean come on, sure, its always going to be a cheesy pop corn flick. I'm ok with that, but what people want is a movie with a dignity and a slightly better respect for the franchise as a whole. Is that really impossible to do? I don't see why the movies have to be so outright RETARDED. Yes its about transforming alien robots and it exist to sell toys. Its a goofy concept, but we had enough good animated series to know it can work without things like robotic testicles.

So please, I hope Gibson is wrong.
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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby Treetop Maximus » Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:05 am

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Sodan-1 wrote:I bloody well hope not. LaBeouf I'm not all that fussed about either way, but Bay's got a director's chair waiting for him in a special circle of hell.


>Implying people get sent to hell for making movies


Implying people get sent to hell for making BAD movies. Bay just happens to be an extra special case.


That has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever seen a Bay hater post on this site. I logged on just to tell you that. This is going straight to Photobucket so everyone can see.
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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby IAmThePeej » Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:14 pm

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TCWJoe wrote:I love this and it is sound reasoning. I do beleive that they should do a Trilogy of 4,5, and 6. Plot it out beginning to end and punch them out back to back Lord of the RIngs style. And I got the plan man....

TF4 = Heralds of Unicron. The Space Bridge in 3, travels through time and space, actually sent the majority of Cybertron back in time and far across space, twisted the inhabitants, merged many of their sparks and created UNICRON! The modern time warp finally makes Unicron aware fo the location of the humans that caused his pain's planet (Earth, duh) and he sends his heralds to go prepare for his arrival. Part of the preparations is the gathering of dead protoforms on our planet (Unicron needs the extinguished sparks as he cannot manipulate functioning ones). Dinobots and Insecticons get introduced as having been buried on this planet for centuries, lost at the time of the Primes (their workers on the Harvester) but their Protoforms can no longer change and they have traditional gold/gray/red and black/purple/yellow coloring due to not having a lot of options on how to repair themselves from being trapped on Earth and are uncovered by mistakenly being thought of as dead. The factions are treated almost as religious factions (by emphasising the choice that they make) and many Decepticons help the Autobots as they feel the taking of Megatrons Body to be Sacrilege. The Autobots and a small band of Decepticon allies beleive they have defeated them at the end.

TF5 = Unicron Approaches. Unicrons newest (most powerful) heralds are created and dispatched, these would be Galvatron and his Sweeps (the sweeps ore not countless Scourge clones but individual characters). In answer to the power that is Galvatron and the Sweeps, Ratchet creates an exoskeleton ("Ironhide would have loved to get his hands on that"). A small ship of religious and pacifist Autobots arrive led by their Magnus (a religious title like a Bishop), Dion (one of the crew is a young, but not childish Autobot named Rodimus). Prime is heavily damaged in battle and Dion realizing that pacifism is not working merges himself with the Exoskeleton to become The Ultra Magnus. Unicron arrives at the edge of our Solar System and destroys the pacifist Autobot base on Pluto. It ends where Galvatron is damaged and the control Unicron has on him broken, Ultra Magnus is also beat up really bad, Optimus is beat down but healing, and Unicron is looming.

TF6 = The Battle of Unicron. Unicron arrives at the moon. Galvatron decides that he is again Megatron, and wants revenge against Unicron for trying to control him. Galvatron also wants revenge against the Prime and the Autobots for killing him, he splits his forces against the Autobots and Unicron and Prime has to do the same in Defense. Ultra Magnus commands the Earth bound troops fighting the Decepticons, but after a major defeat realizes he is no military leader and allows a young Rodimus to take command. Prime leads the assault on Unicron and after fighting each other to a stand still, Megatron realizes his vendetta against Unicron is priority (he can kill Prime later, but needs a home for the time being). He takes Prime to the Harvester, but attacks him from behind in an attempt to claim the Matrix (which will activate it) for himself. Just before Megatron can use the Matrix, Rodimus arrives, reveals himself to be a decendant of the Primes (theirs a shocker), battles Megs, retrieves the Matrix and Uses the Harvester to destroy Unicron (as "YOU GOT THE TOUCH..." is playing in the back ground).

I got more ideas and would be happy to contribute to the production freely, I don't want any credit, I'm a fan, I just want to see these made!


While the idea of Unicron making an appearance is almost as cliche as Prime dying, or more generally, transforming robots, I do like how you described the creation of this Unicron. I would hope that this somehow makes its way into a future movie or at least a multi-episode story arc in either Prime, or the next series that will come out after.

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budmaloney wrote:Bull crap! Bay sucks! No more TF Movies! No story! Characters haz no charikterizatin! More BS!


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I lol'd. Seriously though, I do agree with Bud about the movies, but just feel it could have been typed a lot less like a 12 year old who just found out they can voice their opinion online and call people bad names on Xbox Live. I'm going to go into more depth about this lower in my post.

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budmaloney wrote:Let the fans make the movie, cause obviously you are doing a mediocre job.


Yeah ... mediocre ... box office takings say otherwise mate.

And trust me. A "fan" made movie? Yeah, the masses are going to turn away from a fan wank.

I'll be blunt to you, and all those others who think they or the fans could do a better job ... you couldn't. You're blind. You're all so wrapped in what you perceive to be your ideal of the perfect movie, you don't look at the bigger picture.

You don't take into account the cost needed to make the movie, and the sort of content the movie needs to not only get a return at the box office, but to also make money. The only way for that to happen is to appeal to a broad audience.

You don't take into account the accompanying toy line and merchandise tie-ins, the marketting campaigns, the licensing deals, all of which goes into making a movie a monetary success.

I'm tired of "fans" going off about how crap the movies were and how they can do a better job, plain and simple, you can't. Deal with it.


The amount a movie makes in a box office does NOT dictate if a movie is good or not. Let's use another movie as an example, Avatar. This movie (Avatar) made over $2 BILLION worldwide, yet its nothing more than a horrible rip off of Pocahontas. Its a movie that assumes the entire audience is either too young to understand what's going on or is mentally handicapped by beating the plot over your head, telling you what is going to happen and 5 minutes later, what was described happened. The movie was even mocked during a recent award show (I forget exactly which one at the moment though).

Now, for a different movie, Silent Hill. This one made $97,607,453 in the box office. To me, the movie was great. It didn't retell the story of SH1 exactly, but it did hit the main points that were important (save for Red Pyramid, he was just there for fan-service). It didn't even make twice its budget, yet this is the BEST adaptation of one media to another. It had a great pacing, amazing visuals, and a decent plot and acting. I've never seen a movie made by Christophe Gans before, but this proves he's at least able to make a good movie. Now, was this movie perfect? No, far from it. It was panned by being so bland when compared to the mythos created in the games, and it is because the games involve being a part of that world for much longer than your average movie will allow to build the suspense and the plot development, but when compared to other movies that came out around that time, its easily the best, yet, it didn't make as much. Why? Not enough advertisement was out about it, unlike Scary Movie 4 that had an ad airing almost every commercial break and made $178,262,620. Scary Movie 4 was really not good, nor as funny as the first two, yet it made far more. Again, based on advertisement, people will go see a movie that isn't good simply because of the exposure they have to it.

That brings me back to the Transformers movies. Really, NONE of the movies are good. There are parts that are decent, such as the design of some of the characters (I actually liked how some of them looked, even though the designs were overly complex with poor lighting so we can't fully "see" them), and the computer effects that were used. ILM created believable looking GM adverts. That's basically all the good things one can say about all 3 movies in general. Take a look at Rotten Tomatoes, each movie has received low scores, the lowest being Revenge of the Fallen. Yet, based on the exposure to the movies we have, we all went to see each one. I even said I wasn't going to see the last one, but the wife did since she likes Bumblebee, so I had to see it. Other than a few carryovers, each movie basically negates the events and plot of the one before it.

Let's get back to what makes these movies bad; The plots are paper thin, the characters are in no way believable, the "humour" used is very childish and embarrassing, the action scenes are marred by bad camera movements and editing, and the pacing is inconsistent. This is all I can think of at the moment, but I'll break down what I have with explanations. Get ready to read even more.

The plot for each movie can be broken down into one sentence each very easily; Transformers - Warring factions of massive robots come to Earth to find holy Rubik's Cube.
Revenge of the Fallen - Very evil, very ancient bad guy controls main bad guy from the first movie to kill the main good guy, only to be killed while looking for holy object to kill our sun.
Dark of the Moon - Main bad guy enacts deal with very old good guy to go bring home planet into Earth's orbit, creating energy needed to bring it back to life; main good guy kills home planet.

DotM is the only one where the series starts to become what it should have been in the first place, but only because the plot is lifted straight from The Ultimate Doom story arc from G1. Each movie completely ignores major events from the last one, After the Allspark is destroyed, they instantly remember about a giant cannon hidden on Earth for the past million years, and after that is destroyed, they all remember about the Space Bridge. There is no logical thinking for the characters, its just a matter of what the main Earth killing weapon is for each story.

The characters, both human and robot, evoke no conviction from the audience in one way or another. There is no bonding to ANY of the characters. The most character development in the movies is simply "I am the good guy, you are the bad guy, I will stop you no matter the cost". There doesn't seem to be a sense of loss when Jazz or even Optimus is killed, the Allspark shard AND the Matrix brings the Transformers back to life, yet no one decides to revive Jazz with the Allspark shard that wasn't used. You would think this would be a high priority, especially when your own species is slowly going extinct due to war and your only form of sustenance no longer around. Even characters hyped up to be the main threat were nothing more than a drone (Shockwave) or existed as only a handful of recycled footage and saying only a few lines. The humans don't have much more development, besides being an embarrassing joke and seemingly having a stroke almost every second they are on screen.

The "humour" used is very crude (Bumblebee peeing on Agent Simmons, Wheelie humping Mikaela, The Twins in general, Devastator's balls) and makes the audience feel uncomfortable. There's nothing funny in making your audience feel nauseous after the punchline. I remember taking my nephew to see RotF, he LOVES the movies by the way, and during every joke made he didn't laugh. The only time he laughed was during the end battle where one of the DeceptiClones' head was blasted off and it was feeling for where it used to be. That was it, a semi-serious moment made a 12 year old laugh more than a robot raping a human's shin of even one calling out "Punk ass bitch".

The action scenes could have really saved this series if they were actually comprehensible to the eye. The way they were shot has too many jerky movements and combined with the fast movements of the computer characters creates a blurry mess with no way of telling who is who. Even in the snippets where its not a jerking camera, there is still too much going on at once on screen for moviegoers to tell what exactly is happening. I have found myself constantly pausing and rewinding just so I can make out what was happening. The editing is also very rough, especially since Bay has said that these movies are rushed through the editing to make it to theaters in time, which proves that he doesn't know how to set up his time efficiently to film and edit the movie without making hasty cuts and rushing the plot out in the second half. The sad part is all of this makes the Transformers look and feel cheap instead of real.

So by saying "deal with it", you mean, we have no choice but to watch what has been churned out whether its good or not? Not true, we have the ultimate voice at the end of this all, or rather our money does. If we don't like it, we can simply not pay for tickets to see the movie, not pay for the toys, or stationary or any other form of merchandise based on it. But, as I have stated above, we go see a movie based on the exposure we have to it, whether its good or bad, we will see what we are comfortable with, instead of taking a risk and watch a movie that has lesser exposure. It has happened with many great movies and video games. The majority would rather buy the newest version of Call of Duty over Beyond Good and Evil. They would rather sit and play the same game only set in a slightly different era or with an updated character roster to reflect this year's sports lineup, instead of taking a risk and playing a game that could easily offer more with an engrossing story and amazing visuals simply because we are more comfortable with what is familiar.

Now, I have said it before and I'll say it again, I am not a fan of Michael Bay. His movies are some of the worst when it comes to actual plot and character development since they do not exist in any of his movies, and I do not like the Transformers movies. BUT I AM a fan of the movies since they proved that a live action Transformers movie is possible with very good looking designs for said robots. I am glad that something I have a passing interest in is so popular, BUT now that it has been proven successful, this series needs a good director and writers that can create characters that really move us, make us care for the robots AND the humans, have action scenes that will blow our minds and actually not be zoomed in so far that all we can see are fast camera movements and be able to tell who is who. I'm not asking for an academy award winning movie. Not in the least. All I want is a competent movie that we as fans can feel proud for supporting. It has been proven over the past fours years that Michael Bay is not capable of this. He made the series popular, but now Transformers needs a director and writers with range to ensure that the property will exist for the next 25+ years.

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Meantoy wrote: Prime is supposed to be peaceful almost to a point of pacifism, not the cold fueled, headhunter fetish having bot we've seen throughout the movies.


The "Head Hunter" Prime as you call it was the result of FANS, whining and complaining after the fisr movie when Prime got his ass handed to him by Megatron. Fans also wanted a more serious, dark toned story. Sorry, but this "Blood thirsty" Optimus as many have labeled him is a result of Bay and Co. trying to appeal to peoples request. "Fans" have no one to blame but themselves.


Meantoy wrote: Hate to say it, but mabey Uwe Boll (and i honestly despise the man for makeing the godawefull Bloodreign movies)would have possibly done a compairable, if not better job than Bay..


NO, no no. He can not, and never could. His record has shown that. Has Uwe Boll made a movie that has grossed over $1 Billion? Even half of that? Heck, even a 10th? NO he hasn't.
Though sometimes i wish he would make a TF movie. Then those that complain of a raped childhood would see just how much you can really take it up the ass in trems of a bad TF movie.
These movies (TF) were not bad. Especially not DOTM. They were just different than what your interpetation would have been for a live action TF movie. That does not make it a bad movie.


Meantoy wrote:If there is to be another movie, which i bet there will be..... too much money for hasbro to make off of our beloved childhood heroes, lets try Peter Jackson, or Ridley Scott hes doing a Aliens prequel lets see how it turns out and if its good get him, the movies cant get any worse....or can they? lets hope not.


I'd be cool with another director if Bay wants to call it quits. But just remember. Just cause another director takes the helm, does not mean they will produce any better of a TF movie than Bay. Every director has their own interpetation of said material and it doesn't mean its going to be any bettter than what bay and Co. have done.


I really don't remember anyone saying anything about how weak Prime was, to be honest, it was a good idea, making him like that to make the odds seem to be in the Decepticons' favour. Also, just because people want a darker story, doesn't mean the characters have to all be mass murderers. That is just alienating its core audience, which as we all know, are children between the ages of 8 and 15. It is possible to have a dark vision, but not have death every scene.

There is one major difference between Uwe Boll and Michael Bay. Uwe knows he's making horrible movies, he purposely does so. He has admitted he makes them bad. He is able to make a better movie, but doesn't. Bay, on the other hand, seriously thinks his movies are as good as say, Francis Ford Coppola's. HE BELIEVES that people WANT to see what he makes, no matter what it is. HE thinks he's Hollywood's only good director. He is an arrogant prick who has no ability and should be blacklisted from any and all movies. I feel that if Boll wanted to really apply himself, he could actually make a very decent film. Remember, I said decent, not great, spectacular or amazing. But if he put more than $1,000,000 behind a movie he makes, the results could make him known for films that aren't fully horrid.

I do agree with your thoughts about different directors having different visions for the same property. But just because you think this is the best the movies will ever be doesn't mean we all think that way. I feel this series has a better chance with a different director, maybe Neill Blomkamp would be a better fit for the series, as long as he follows his style in the latter half of District 9.

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So please, I hope Gibson is wrong.


When has he ever been right? No one even likes Mel Gibso...... Oh wait, you mean Tyrese Gibson....
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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby Marcdachamp » Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:28 pm

Seems like a very safe bet. And I hope it DOES happen. Love these movies.
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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby Burn » Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:30 pm

IAmThePeej wrote:The amount a movie makes in a box office does NOT dictate if a movie is good or not.


Well considering those sorts of numbers must have been generated by a lot of people seeing it multiple times, i'm going to go out on a limb and say that a LOT of people thought it was a good movie.

But was it good or bad? That depends on an individuals perspective. But it was clearly SUCCESSFUL movie, which I will say again, fans wouldn't be able to make. Image
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Postby LiKwid » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:45 pm

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budmaloney wrote:Let the fans make the movie, cause obviously you are doing a mediocre job.


Yeah ... mediocre ... box office takings say otherwise mate.

And trust me. A "fan" made movie? Yeah, the masses are going to turn away from a fan wank.

I'll be blunt to you, and all those others who think they or the fans could do a better job ... you couldn't. You're blind. You're all so wrapped in what you perceive to be your ideal of the perfect movie, you don't look at the bigger picture.

You don't take into account the cost needed to make the movie, and the sort of content the movie needs to not only get a return at the box office, but to also make money. The only way for that to happen is to appeal to a broad audience.

You don't take into account the accompanying toy line and merchandise tie-ins, the marketting campaigns, the licensing deals, all of which goes into making a movie a monetary success.

I'm tired of "fans" going off about how crap the movies were and how they can do a better job, plain and simple, you can't. Deal with it.


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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby Noideaforaname » Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:45 pm

:lol: "Let fans make movies"

I kinda recall there being quite a few "Tyrese says ____ about Transformers" stories that ended up being false.

I wouldn't mind another Michael Bay TF film starring Shia. I like these movies well enough, and by now I know what to expect (i.e. Con with most time in ads = pathetic actual screen time). I wouldn't mind a totally different take on the franchise or even just a few different cast/crew members, but quite frankly the design aesthetic is my favorite yet, if we can get even more toys done in that style then by all means keep pumping out sequels. It's not like the movies are stopping "superior" TF series from happening (granted they've screwed with their release dates).
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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby Sodan-1 » Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:54 am

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Sodan-1 wrote:I bloody well hope not. LaBeouf I'm not all that fussed about either way, but Bay's got a director's chair waiting for him in a special circle of hell.


>Implying people get sent to hell for making movies


Implying people get sent to hell for making BAD movies. Bay just happens to be an extra special case.


That has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever seen a Bay hater post on this site. I logged on just to tell you that. This is going straight to Photobucket so everyone can see.


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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby Autobot032 » Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:19 am

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Sodan-1 wrote:I bloody well hope not. LaBeouf I'm not all that fussed about either way, but Bay's got a director's chair waiting for him in a special circle of hell.


>Implying people get sent to hell for making movies


Implying people get sent to hell for making BAD movies. Bay just happens to be an extra special case.


That has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever seen a Bay hater post on this site. I logged on just to tell you that. This is going straight to Photobucket so everyone can see.


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Wow. You do know that's a punishable offense, right? I speak from experience. Take my advice...apologize and edit. Then report him and let the mods handle it. Seriously, you don't want that kind of trouble.

Anyway, onto the topic at hand...

If it was a situation such as "You need to have these two to make it work."...I'd bicker with the producers and studio heads and say "If you have to have those two, you need Bay. You can do without Shia. He's completely replaceable."

And it's true. Get another actor to take over his role, it's not unheard of in Hollywood. Keep Rosie, keep the rest of the cast, keep Bay, but get rid of Shia.

He's not happy doing it anymore, so there's no need to make him suffer. He's not going to do the job that's required of him if he's there "just because".

Bay yes, Shia no. That being said, Tyrese is a nice guy, a really nice guy, but he doesn't know his butt from a hole in the ground with this stuff. He thought a duet with Jewel was going to make it to the soundtrack album. He's made claims about the supposed 4th movie before and this is no different. If it does come true, it's not because he said so.

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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby Rex Prime » Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:51 am

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Well if there is a new movie then i want Bay as the director(again), but no no no for shia, since some important characters died in the last movie the new one should be a flashback, set in cybertron, which means no humans, and more action and robots on the screen.
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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby Budamis Prime » Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:58 am

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I'd love to see another movie or movies maybe anotehr 3 of them???
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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby Marcdachamp » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:16 am

Rex Prime wrote:Well if there is a new movie then i want Bay as the director(again), but no no no for shia, since some important characters died in the last movie the new one should be a flashback, set in cybertron, which means no humans, and more action and robots on the screen.


There will NEVER be a major film in this franchise without humans in it. People need to stop hoping for this, because it's just not happening. It would be a gigantic box office fail, and complete suicide for the franchise.
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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby budmaloney » Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:02 pm

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budmaloney wrote:Bull crap! Bay sucks! No more TF Movies! No story! Characters haz no charikterizatin! More BS!


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You misquoted me, now all the following posters think I actually write like that. But thank you for summarizing my points for me, Bay does suck, there is no story here, and truly characterization is absent. You nailed it.

Oh and you should get your computer checked, you have an error



Burn wrote:
budmaloney wrote:Let the fans make the movie, cause obviously you are doing a mediocre job.


Yeah ... mediocre ... box office takings say otherwise mate.

And trust me. A "fan" made movie? Yeah, the masses are going to turn away from a fan wank.

I'll be blunt to you, and all those others who think they or the fans could do a better job ... you couldn't. You're blind. You're all so wrapped in what you perceive to be your ideal of the perfect movie, you don't look at the bigger picture.

You don't take into account the cost needed to make the movie, and the sort of content the movie needs to not only get a return at the box office, but to also make money. The only way for that to happen is to appeal to a broad audience.

You don't take into account the accompanying toy line and merchandise tie-ins, the marketting campaigns, the licensing deals, all of which goes into making a movie a monetary success.

I'm tired of "fans" going off about how crap the movies were and how they can do a better job, plain and simple, you can't. Deal with it.


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Any summer blockbuster will bring in loads of cash, that doesn't mean it's good, as others have responded. Plus you have more population who have become interested in sci fi recently and that's why the amounts are larger when compared to anything previously, plus the intensive marketing will yield more etc. So it's difficult to pin point which it is.

However, I do think that it is in an indication of success and I can't negate that the "masses" like it. Of course the masses like it, they always do. People liked Spiderman 3 for example, was it good? Not necessarily. Masses don't care about the franchise, they just want to be entertained. DOTM was certainly entertaining from that standpoint, it's 3D, has hot chics, and nice cars, what's not to like about it from an average joe's point of view?

But we're not average joes are we, when it comes to TF. We know every detail of the bot, the difference in the feet shape from different molds, the colors, the characters background. Sure, Bay can fool those people who don't know anything about the franchise, but to the trained eye, to the experts in their field...he can't. It's like you claiming to be a Medical Doctor in some bar to impress some girls. They'd believe you, even you might get laid on that notion. But I dare you to claim being a Doctor in a hospital when you are not. You'd be eaten alive. You're out of your league. You would actually have to be a Doctor to earn the blessings, and even if you were an actual Doctor, it's not that easy. That's what I'm after.

Regarding the fan made film, why not?
What about TF Mosaic? Have you seen the quality of stories/characters/art delivered by Mosaic. Some of them are amazing. They're probably better than some IDW stories.

Burn you are correct.

I can't argue against Bay's directing,camera angles, use of budget, or success in making films. That's out of my territory.

Maybe considering all the challenges Bay faced, this movie was a miracle it came out that way. Who knows. Optimus Prime could have been pink and Bay saved him from being that.

And we as fans, can't make a movie. I can imagine a movie in my head, and it would look awesome to me, but to everyone else it's a piece of crap.

I completely understand the limitations of such a massive project. The project's goal is to target broad audiences, sell toys, and increase market share. There is no way they could satisfy the 1% of fans who are complaining non stop. There isn't even a point to pursue those crazy elitist fans, not when they're making that much money. If making Megatron a pony would make more money, they'd do it. I would do it. It's alot of money, it's the driving force.

But....
When it is their third movie, they should have experience by now with dealing with all that. It's Bay and friends' job to do all that. To keep track of expenses, licenses, etc.
But it's no excuse. They're supposed to make it work. With that argument, they can release what they want, no matter how bad it is. Transforming toilet paper. And anytime some one says it's not good. They say, you're not understanding it, you forgot to take into account all this and that. Do you see what I mean?

And to answer your last statement.
We are dealing with it, how can we not deal with it, we can't change what they do, no matter how many angry posts we post. We are fans and we will always complain or voice our opinions. We deal with it constantly. They have the artistic direction, we just sit and watch.

It's too bad you are tired of it Burn, this is a Transformers website, and forum designed to voice people's opinions about Transformers related matters especially the Bay era of movies will be a part of it for a long time coming....the correct response would be...you will have to deal with it.

Actually both of us will have to deal with all of this, while Bay makes all the big bucks, and we go back to our 9-5 lives.

But for the record burn, I appreciate your being blunt with me and providing a chance for a healthy debate.
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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby SlyTF1 » Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:08 pm

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budmaloney wrote:Bull crap! Bay sucks! No more TF Movies! No story! Characters haz no charikterizatin! More BS!


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You misquoted me, now all the following posters think I actually write like that. But thank you for summarizing my points for me, Bay does suck, there is no story here, and truly characterization is absent. You nailed it.


He does not suck. Who gives a damn? I don't care. Deal with it.
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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby budmaloney » Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:22 pm

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budmaloney wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
budmaloney wrote:Bull crap! Bay sucks! No more TF Movies! No story! Characters haz no charikterizatin! More BS!


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You misquoted me, now all the following posters think I actually write like that. But thank you for summarizing my points for me, Bay does suck, there is no story here, and truly characterization is absent. You nailed it.


He does not suck. Who gives a damn? I don't care. Deal with it.



We've been dealing with Bay since 2007! He had three movies, enough already. 2011 should end it,they shouldn't make a TF4 with Bay.

And are you sure he doesn't suck?
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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby Burn » Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:54 pm

Yeah, 'cause he was solely responsible for those things.

Not like the writers would have had anything to do with things. :roll:
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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby SlyTF1 » Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:55 pm

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budmaloney wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
budmaloney wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
budmaloney wrote:Bull crap! Bay sucks! No more TF Movies! No story! Characters haz no charikterizatin! More BS!


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You misquoted me, now all the following posters think I actually write like that. But thank you for summarizing my points for me, Bay does suck, there is no story here, and truly characterization is absent. You nailed it.


He does not suck. Who gives a damn? I don't care. Deal with it.



We've been dealing with Bay since 2007! He had three movies, enough already. 2011 should end it,they shouldn't make a TF4 with Bay.

And are you sure he doesn't suck?
Robot Testicles, weak Decepticons, lunatic Optimus Prime, mute Bumblebee, Pig Ironhide, fragile Devastator, Shockwave's eye being shot out, Cybertron Destroyed. Megan Fox. dogs humping each other...


Don't care about Devastator's balls, the Decepticons whern't that weak, I LOVED lunatic Optimus; my favorite scene in movie history is Optimus coming in in DOTM and killing all those Decepticons, they had to find a way to make Bumblebee appealing to the kids, Ironhide was more of a dog/bear, he was 7 freaking vehicles taped onto each other, of course he's going to be fragile, They have to find some way to take the bad guys out; I have no idea how shooting Shockwave's eye out would piss anyone off, they never even said that Cybertron got destroyed. Maybe it just got teleported back to where it came from just like the rest of the Decepticons who where transported to earth. You may have a point there. It was 2 seconds long, deal with it.
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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby Autobot032 » Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:28 pm

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budmaloney wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
budmaloney wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
budmaloney wrote:Bull crap! Bay sucks! No more TF Movies! No story! Characters haz no charikterizatin! More BS!


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You misquoted me, now all the following posters think I actually write like that. But thank you for summarizing my points for me, Bay does suck, there is no story here, and truly characterization is absent. You nailed it.


He does not suck. Who gives a damn? I don't care. Deal with it.



We've been dealing with Bay since 2007! He had three movies, enough already. 2011 should end it,they shouldn't make a TF4 with Bay.

And are you sure he doesn't suck?
Robot Testicles, weak Decepticons, lunatic Optimus Prime, mute Bumblebee, Pig Ironhide, fragile Devastator, Shockwave's eye being shot out, Cybertron Destroyed. Megan Fox. dogs humping each other...


Ohhhh.... You're one of those types.

The type that forgets that there are writers to blame for all of that, as well. Or...do you simply choose to forget? That makes all the difference, you know?

Seriously, Bay's not the only one to blame. I've said it a million times, I don't have the patience or the energy to continue doing so.

I will end my post with this:

It is not ALL Bay's fault. The writers are quite awful and hold most of the blame.
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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby TulioDude » Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:56 pm

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More movies could be cool.
Personally i would prefer more than 2 or 3 years before a sequel.

LiKwid wrote:In Tyrese Gibson's mind if there is not another Transformers movie, He'll be out of hollywood, plain and simple. If Transformers hadn't happened, he would have probably started doing straight to dvd movies..HE needs Tf4 to happen..

Thats kinda harsh.I think he has a solid career.

budmaloney wrote:There was no need for Sentinel Prime to fight Optimus, he is the autobot leader. What does this teach people and kids, just kill every one and you will be ok? If you disagree with your boss/leader, KILL THEM. If he's the Einstein of your race, maybe you should listen to the mofo. Einstein came up with the theory of relativity and many more. Do we throw that down the toilet, if he says, no I think we should do this.

This isnt what happened.Have you paid attention to the film?

budmaloney wrote:We've been played. The entire franchise has been secreted on.
We said the designs are too radical, but we grew to like them. The colors are inaccurate, so we accepted them. The characters are way of their original
Bay is only good for patriotic American films
Dotm was simply appalling, it was a mess.
Enough damage has been done, let us repair ourselves and move on this era of shame.
Plz tf fans, wake up, demand higher quality products, otherwise Tf will always be a mindless franchise designed simply to sell their toys.

This is your opinion,not everyone,.
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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby Noideaforaname » Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:13 pm

I think a lot of these "atrocities" people keep harping about have been done before, actually. For instance Devastator's pun-ish balls were preceded by G1 Megatron and Shockwave's trigger crotches, Legion's phallic tongue, and Thunderblast's nipples (or are we just going to forgive that one because it's "sexy" :roll: ).
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