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juxtapose519 wrote:Am I really the only one that thinks these are ugly as sin? Are we not sick of tanks yet? Would these not have made better Legends figures for half the price?
I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS HERE!!
I would much rather spend the money on the PE set.
DTR69 wrote:juxtapose519 wrote:Am I really the only one that thinks these are ugly as sin? Are we not sick of tanks yet? Would these not have made better Legends figures for half the price?
I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS HERE!!
I would much rather spend the money on the PE set.
I second that . What a mess. COme on peeps, think, is this just satisfying a craving for a frenzy & rumble update, it's a quick fix. Look at the originals, now look at these. They have unique styling yes, but it's not working. That other blue tanke that everyone loves, who is a homage to a chacter from the comics back in the day is also an ugly figure. I bet they were designed by the same person. I hat ethere style. The designers at fansproject know how to design and have there own flare. They take a Has/Tak design and eliminate everything I hate about it and replace with a design and style that is fresh but stil in keeping with what the initial brief would have been. I would gladly buy something from them without knowing what it looked like before hand as I know they are on the same page as me, where as Has/Tak designs are too hit and miss and there efforts to aim at a younger audience are just flawed from start.
Riding off homages to popular characters which aren't even half decent may make alot of you happy, but it just frustrates me and make me angry, Has/Tak need to recruit some new designers and rethink how they structure there design briefs.
You all need to raise your standards, I have alot of purchases which I rgeret now as a better version was released, and I gaurantee there will be a MP or third party offering which will wish you had saved your money, there kinda already is.
DTR69 wrote:juxtapose519 wrote:Am I really the only one that thinks these are ugly as sin? Are we not sick of tanks yet? Would these not have made better Legends figures for half the price?
I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS HERE!!
I would much rather spend the money on the PE set.
I second that . What a mess. COme on peeps, think, is this just satisfying a craving for a frenzy & rumble update, it's a quick fix. Look at the originals, now look at these. They have unique styling yes, but it's not working. That other blue tanke that everyone loves, who is a homage to a chacter from the comics back in the day is also an ugly figure. I bet they were designed by the same person. I hat ethere style. The designers at fansproject know how to design and have there own flare. They take a Has/Tak design and eliminate everything I hate about it and replace with a design and style that is fresh but stil in keeping with what the initial brief would have been. I would gladly buy something from them without knowing what it looked like before hand as I know they are on the same page as me, where as Has/Tak designs are too hit and miss and there efforts to aim at a younger audience are just flawed from start.
Riding off homages to popular characters which aren't even half decent may make alot of you happy, but it just frustrates me and make me angry, Has/Tak need to recruit some new designers and rethink how they structure there design briefs.
You all need to raise your standards, I have alot of purchases which I rgeret now as a better version was released, and I gaurantee there will be a MP or third party offering which will wish you had saved your money, there kinda already is.
Diem wrote:DTR69 wrote:juxtapose519 wrote:Am I really the only one that thinks these are ugly as sin? Are we not sick of tanks yet? Would these not have made better Legends figures for half the price?
I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS HERE!!
I would much rather spend the money on the PE set.
I second that . What a mess. COme on peeps, think, is this just satisfying a craving for a frenzy & rumble update, it's a quick fix. Look at the originals, now look at these. They have unique styling yes, but it's not working. That other blue tanke that everyone loves, who is a homage to a chacter from the comics back in the day is also an ugly figure. I bet they were designed by the same person. I hat ethere style. The designers at fansproject know how to design and have there own flare. They take a Has/Tak design and eliminate everything I hate about it and replace with a design and style that is fresh but stil in keeping with what the initial brief would have been. I would gladly buy something from them without knowing what it looked like before hand as I know they are on the same page as me, where as Has/Tak designs are too hit and miss and there efforts to aim at a younger audience are just flawed from start.
Riding off homages to popular characters which aren't even half decent may make alot of you happy, but it just frustrates me and make me angry, Has/Tak need to recruit some new designers and rethink how they structure there design briefs.
You all need to raise your standards, I have alot of purchases which I rgeret now as a better version was released, and I gaurantee there will be a MP or third party offering which will wish you had saved your money, there kinda already is.
I don't see it. Them turning into tanks is a non-issue for me. Given that there hasn't been a Soundwave that can get tapes in his chest since G1 I don't really care that they can't become tapes. Tanks is an unoriginal choice but it seems fairly appropriate.
Other than that I don't know what you're going on about. Their robot modes look fine, nice and G1-y with a little update, good pile-driver functions, nice cannons on the back. I like it. They're thoughtful, respectful updates that cost a fraction of the third party ones and look nicer to boot. The only reason I'm not more excited is that I'm not that interested in these characters to begin with.
HasTak really don't need to recruit new designers, their work on RTS and Generations is some of the best I've seen in years.
RodimusConvoy13 wrote:Autobot032 wrote:
I'm wondering if I should go for Perfect Effect's Frenzy & Rumble now.
EDIT: Nevermind, they cost more than the TakaraTomy set. Geez.
You do realize that those 2 are just straight up repaints as well, right?
DTR69 wrote:In England they haven't tapped into the kids market, it's literally collectors, and this don't cut the mustard. I've done my research it is different elswhere, this after all is aimed at collectors and it's crap simple as. The toys aimed specifucaly at kids like prime are better designed, I excpect so much more now.
GetRightRobot wrote:I guess I will be the one to come to the defense.... Are they perfect?? No. Some things many of us would like to change? Ofcourse. After 27 years are you about to buy (and I know you will) a fresh new version of your childhood play thing that not only bares a striking resemblance to your long lost toy, but has some improvements like articulation and size? Certainly HATE, is a little over the top. Like it or not, just buy it. That way they continue to throw us a G1 bone from time to time.
Nujevad wrote:Frenzy and Rumble were supposed to be slightly taller than human size so if they were to be in scale with a deluxe Soundwave, they should be somewhere around his knees.SKYWARPED_128 wrote:While there's no way in hell these guys will fit into WFC Soundwave's chest, they DO look decently scaled while being posed with Music Label Soundwave, which is roughly the same size as his WFC counterpart.
Definite must-buy.
Diem wrote:DTR69 wrote:In England they haven't tapped into the kids market, it's literally collectors, and this don't cut the mustard. I've done my research it is different elswhere, this after all is aimed at collectors and it's crap simple as. The toys aimed specifucaly at kids like prime are better designed, I excpect so much more now.
Wait, what?
These figures are aimed both at kids and collectors everywhere they are sold. Even figures that are ostensibly for adult collectors such as Alternators or Hasbro Masterpiece are still found first and foremost at toy stores. Probably the only figures that are designed purely for collectors are BotCon figures.
DTR69 wrote:Diem wrote:DTR69 wrote:In England they haven't tapped into the kids market, it's literally collectors, and this don't cut the mustard. I've done my research it is different elswhere, this after all is aimed at collectors and it's crap simple as. The toys aimed specifucaly at kids like prime are better designed, I excpect so much more now.
Wait, what?
These figures are aimed both at kids and collectors everywhere they are sold. Even figures that are ostensibly for adult collectors such as Alternators or Hasbro Masterpiece are still found first and foremost at toy stores. Probably the only figures that are designed purely for collectors are BotCon figures.
Well why don't they o something about the fact that aprt from the movie, kids in the UK have no idea or interest in Transformers, leaving there only market collectors. And since they are a homeage to G1 characters, they need to do better than that to get my money.
I for one have no problem with them being tanks, and although I am G1 in my heart, I really don't care if soundwave has to eject his minions out of his chest. If there is no valid reason now since tapes are obsolete to many, they still have a place, but g1 was about form follows function, some people see g1 another way, where eveything has to be a certain way, but if g1 was today it would follow todays rules.
G1 was an evolving line, that means it still can evolve today. Look at Dreamwave an IDW they invent new story lines and new characters that have no connection to G1 of the past, but they follow the same spirit therefor it is G1. Drift is G1 yet he is totaly new. Please don't think that all Geewunners all think the same. G1 is living breathing concept, it's not a bunch of plastic that was limited to what technology and funding was available years ago.
If frenzy & Rumble are to be tanks, thats kool but they better be good. And if kids ar the main audience, they better target them and make the show accessable, cause kids have no idea what transformers are, so all you peeps who think collectors are the minority, you have to realise that the world is bigger than where you live.
GetRightRobot wrote:DTR69 wrote:Diem wrote:DTR69 wrote:In England they haven't tapped into the kids market, it's literally collectors, and this don't cut the mustard. I've done my research it is different elswhere, this after all is aimed at collectors and it's crap simple as. The toys aimed specifucaly at kids like prime are better designed, I excpect so much more now.
Wait, what?
These figures are aimed both at kids and collectors everywhere they are sold. Even figures that are ostensibly for adult collectors such as Alternators or Hasbro Masterpiece are still found first and foremost at toy stores. Probably the only figures that are designed purely for collectors are BotCon figures.
Well why don't they o something about the fact that aprt from the movie, kids in the UK have no idea or interest in Transformers, leaving there only market collectors. And since they are a homeage to G1 characters, they need to do better than that to get my money.
I for one have no problem with them being tanks, and although I am G1 in my heart, I really don't care if soundwave has to eject his minions out of his chest. If there is no valid reason now since tapes are obsolete to many, they still have a place, but g1 was about form follows function, some people see g1 another way, where eveything has to be a certain way, but if g1 was today it would follow todays rules.
G1 was an evolving line, that means it still can evolve today. Look at Dreamwave an IDW they invent new story lines and new characters that have no connection to G1 of the past, but they follow the same spirit therefor it is G1. Drift is G1 yet he is totaly new. Please don't think that all Geewunners all think the same. G1 is living breathing concept, it's not a bunch of plastic that was limited to what technology and funding was available years ago.
If frenzy & Rumble are to be tanks, thats kool but they better be good. And if kids ar the main audience, they better target them and make the show accessable, cause kids have no idea what transformers are, so all you peeps who think collectors are the minority, you have to realise that the world is bigger than where you live.
Wow. Where to begin.... First off, your assumption about our near sited opinions involving "where we live". I'll simply say: TOYS. In case that is not self explanatory. Dictionary.com defines toy as: –noun
1.
an object, often a small representation of something familiar, as an animal or person, for children to play with; plaything.
Adult collectors find value and pleasure in CHILDREN TOYS, not the other way around. Kids don't want Ming dynasty pottery.
The UK, as wonderful as it may be, is home to neither Hasbro or Takara Tomy. YOU have to realize the work involved to market the ENTIRE planet. Truth is, you guys get little because you are the minority. Transformers has had a running cartoon in America for nearly as long as the brand has existed. 19 out of 26 years you could find (including re-runs) animated series that targeted kids. Why? To sell their toys.
You can imagine it it's harder to get Transformers in Zimbobwai than Kentucky. I've been a fan since the beginning. Beginning with the "Classics" line in 2006, collectors have been receiving updated version's of their favorite characters. Before that, the idea of new characters and reinvention has been the direction of Has/Tak. But first they must make them fun for kids. The fact that people are complaining at all after finally getting some G1 love in its purist form is pathetic.
Finally...My God are you actually upset about scale? Seriously? Did you buy an RTS Wreck Gar? Have you ever heard of a character named Astrotrain? Have you ever seen Transformers before?
In closing, if you can do better, go ahead and make it! I'd love to see it when it's finished.
DTR69 wrote:That's right Has/Tak are so great look at the TF live action movie, look at who they allowd to produce it. Michael Bay, Yeah leave it with him, he'll do us proud. They don't do anything wrong do they.
DTR69 wrote:Power core combiners what a refreshing fun idea. You are just as patronising as Hasbro. And They do push transformers in the UK Toys R Us is full of them, it's just the kids don't even know they are there. Hasbro aren't on the ball. Sometimes big companies make mistakes. And when I talk on behalf of people I'm talking about things that they have actualy said to me, you are talking on behalf of people you have never even spoke to or met. And if you weren't so bothered, what's all this I'm reading, and why do you feel the need to shut people up if you don't like what you here, who do you think you are the president of Lybia.
DTR69 wrote:And you talk about Anerica Beeing the home of Hasbro etc, but it's not the home of transformers, the figures were beeing sold in Japan and eurpoe long before Hasbro brought them to the States. Hasbro maybe successful but they have borrowed alot from others, they are not the creators of great inovations and ideas, and they stil aren't the ones producing the best Transformers, Tf live action movie, Power core combiners, are nothing compare dthe Mp and BT line, and thats nothing to do with hasbro that's Takara. Fansproject have to clean up the mess alot of the times. It's others that have made TFs what they are today, yes Hasbro brought alot of it together, but they need to look long and hard at what they are doing and take note, if it wasn't for the other companies Hasbro's Transformers would not be the great franchise it is today, and if it were left entirely to Hasbro it would be an absolute mess.
DTR69 wrote:And when I talk on behalf of people I'm talking about things that they have actualy said to me, you are talking on behalf of people you have never even spoke to or met.
Autobot032 wrote:Hasbro created the brand TransFormers. Created the names Megatron and Optimus Prime.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Autobot032 wrote:Hasbro created the brand TransFormers. Created the names Megatron and Optimus Prime.
Actually the name of "Megatron" was borrowed from Marvel comic run of Shogun Warriors.
Counterpunch wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Autobot032 wrote:Hasbro created the brand TransFormers. Created the names Megatron and Optimus Prime.
Actually the name of "Megatron" was borrowed from Marvel comic run of Shogun Warriors.
Do you have a reference for that or is it just coincidental?
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Counterpunch wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Autobot032 wrote:Hasbro created the brand TransFormers. Created the names Megatron and Optimus Prime.
Actually the name of "Megatron" was borrowed from Marvel comic run of Shogun Warriors.
Do you have a reference for that or is it just coincidental?
I mean, at BotCon, Budiansky said that they were just looking for the most evil sounding thing they could go with and at the time, "megaton" as in reference to a nuclear weapon and the looming threat of the USSR was one of the most menacing things they could come up with. But that was deemed too much and was altered to "Megatron" to tone it down, but still allude to the threat.
DTR69 wrote:That's right Has/Tak are so great look at the TF live action movie, look at who they allowd to produce it. Michael Bay, Yeah leave it with him, he'll do us proud. They don't do anything wrong do they. Power core combiners what a refreshing fun idea. You are just as patronising as Hasbro.
DTR69 wrote:And They do push transformers in the UK Toys R Us is full of them, it's just the kids don't even know they are there. Hasbro aren't(is not) on the ball. Sometimes big companies make mistakes.
DTR69 wrote: And when I talk on behalf of people I'm talking about things that they have actualy(actually) said to me, you are talking on behalf of people you have never even spoke to or met. And if you weren't so bothered, what's all this I'm reading, and why do you feel the need to shut people up if you don't like what you here, who do you think you are the president of Lybia.(?)
DTR69 wrote:And Yyou talk about Anerica(America) Beeing(being) the home of Hasbro etc, but it's not the home of transformers, the figures were beeingbeing sold in Japan and eurpoe(Europe) long before Hasbro brought them to the States. Hasbro maybe(may be) successful but they have borrowed alot from others, they are not the creators of great inovations(innovations) and ideas, and they stil(still) aren't the ones producing the best Transformers, Tf live action movie, Power core combiners, are nothing compare dthe (?) Mp and BT line, and thats nothing to do with hasbro that's Takara. Fansproject have to clean up the mess alot of the times. It's others that have made TFs what they are today, yes Hasbro brought alot of it together, but they need to look long and hard at what they are doing and take note, if it wasn't for the other companies Hasbro's Transformers would not be the great franchise it is today, and if it were left entirely to Hasbro it would be an absolute mess.
DTR69 wrote:That's right Has/Tak are so great look at the TF live action movie, look at who they allowd to produce it. Michael Bay, Yeah leave it with him, he'll do us proud. They don't do anything wrong do they. Power core combiners what a refreshing fun idea.
DTR69 wrote:And you talk about Anerica Beeing the home of Hasbro etc, but it's not the home of transformers, the figures were beeing sold in Japan and eurpoe long before Hasbro brought them to the States. . . . if it wasn't for the other companies Hasbro's Transformers would not be the great franchise it is today, and if it were left entirely to Hasbro it would be an absolute mess.
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