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Sabrblade wrote:In spite of how simple they are and their probable inability to combine, I might still pick up those Twinstrike and Windrazor figures.

And with one somewhat neutral/borderline-positive post made, enter the storm of negative posts in 3... 2... 1...

Why is it they're deluxes and can't merge? Hasbro's/Tomy's(?) logic escapes me Saber.

fenrir72 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:In spite of how simple they are and their probable inability to combine, I might still pick up those Twinstrike and Windrazor figures.

And with one somewhat neutral/borderline-positive post made, enter the storm of negative posts in 3... 2... 1...

Why is it they're deluxes and can't merge? Hasbro's/Tomy's(?) logic escapes me Saber.

Deluxes? To make money. Can't merge? Why make them retain the functionality when they have no plans to release the rest of the team? (And we've yet to see anything that says they'll release the other Terrorcons in Deluxe Class size. And even if they did, it's pointless since they can't combine.)

It's a crap tactic. Fortunately, all signs point to the profits of these being funneled to Generations to fund things such as Metroplex, and a slew of new product that's supposedly coming.

about 6 months.... thats how long we knew these were coming. we knew WHY too. And still you get pathetic behaviour like this. Thanks to the vocal, childish members of the community that make me utterly ashamed to come to this site at times.

Theyre toys FOR CHILDREN! As in young people, under the age of 10. We had 5/6 waves of Beast Hunters, its done, now we move on to other lines. Let the little kids have their fun toyline.

this is NOT just a line of upscaled legion toys, they said the first wave or two would be as a necessary stopgap till they could bring out the designs they were now working on. personally, i wouldnt put this kind of thing NEAR my display shelves, but id keep one or two as a toy for my desk to mess with occasionally. This is not the 'high end line' or the 'fan pleasing' line, this is a toy line for little kids and im sure it will suffice.

Either way, grow the hell up and stop throwing round words you barely understand the meaning of.

Yeah, these are really bad looking.

Not because of their simplicity, but their paint applications are unappealing and sometimes ugly as well as the awkward proportions that comes with making Cyberverse/Legends bigger.

Though, we'll see how well this does with the younger kids.

Stumpybot wrote:Theyre toys FOR CHILDREN! As in young people, under the age of 10.

I'd say under the age of 6 or 7 rather than 10.

Even if they made all 5 Terrorcons in Deluxe scale and they DID combine, would Abominus be able to stand up? It could be a floppy mess. It could require a re-engineering of the figures. It's probably just not worth it.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:To be perfectly frank, there is one positive thing about these toys that cannot be overlooked or denied: Those sweet-looking melee weapons!


Also, Optimus and Predaking are listed as well:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EB8U0MA
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EB8U0QQ

Optimus is listed as in stock with the right pictures and details up. Aw heck I'm going for it, I just hope this doesn't end up like Beast Hunters Commander Class Ultra Magnus again.

I grabbed one, but I'm pretty much expecting to get the regular Voyager BH Prime. At least they're easy to return!

OP is $27.99? Seems pricey for a simplified Voyager.

Would it have killed them to add elbow joints ? Kids aren't that stupid. Well since it's all connected by ball joints, 3rd party guys get to work and make some new arms for these guys (Terrorcons) And a combiner set if the other 3 ever come out...

Rated X wrote:Would it have killed them to add elbow joints ?

That would defeat the whole point of upsizing existing Legends molds. If you want elbow joints, buy the normal versions. These are an alternative.

There are no normal versions of Twinstrike and Windrazor.

Plus, I had assumed "the whole point" was to have very simple transformations in mainline toys, which isn't necessarily exclusive of basic articulation. The two Preds already have some tweaks done to their limbs (Twin's got new ankles and Wind's got different upper arms), would've been great to add in proper knees, elbows, etc..

GuyIncognito wrote:

Rated X wrote:Would it have killed them to add elbow joints ?

That would defeat the whole point of upsizing existing Legends molds. If you want elbow joints, buy the normal versions. These are an alternative.

Legion Windrazor has ball-jointed elbows, while this Deluxe one has solid-piece fixed elbows, making the Deluxe have less articulation than the Legion.

Sabrblade wrote:

GuyIncognito wrote:

Rated X wrote:Would it have killed them to add elbow joints ?

That would defeat the whole point of upsizing existing Legends molds. If you want elbow joints, buy the normal versions. These are an alternative.

Legion Windrazor has ball-jointed elbows, while this Deluxe one has solid-piece fixed elbows, making the Deluxe have less articulation than the Legion.

Sabrblade wrote:

Toralei_De_Nile wrote:Simplified deluxe?! wtf does that mean anyways? Transformers for ******?

MINDVVIPE wrote:This is beyond ******.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Effing ******.

GuyIncognito wrote:

Rated X wrote:Would it have killed them to add elbow joints ?

That would defeat the whole point of upsizing existing Legends molds. If you want elbow joints, buy the normal versions. These are an alternative.

I was refferring to the Terrorcons which do not have a regular deluxe mold, just the legends size. The whols "upsizing" required casting a new mold to begin with so why not make them better instead of doing a half ass job ? Like I said before, kids arent that stupid. Elbow joints would have eliminated the stiff arm look on the robot mode of Sinnertwin and Cutthroat while increasing the posability of the dragon heads and wings in beast modes.

Rock and Roll is dead man.

RhA wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Toralei_De_Nile wrote:Simplified deluxe?! wtf does that mean anyways? Transformers for ******?

MINDVVIPE wrote:This is beyond ******.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Effing ******.

Silly question, but did some fans react the same way when Armada first hit? If so, I'll be in hiding for a while.

You mean Dead.

I think you can also attribute this line to the success of v-tech's "Fold 'n Go Dinos" - those are sturdy toys transformable in handful of steps, with thick folding hinges and firm rotating swivels. Bigger parts that are easy for kids to quickly convert.

Bumblebee and Smokescreen are still bad, as usual.

I wouldn't mind Twinstrike and Windrazor so much if they retained their combining gimmick. Yes, I'm still fuming over it. Deal with it.

ScottyP wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:To be perfectly frank, there is one positive thing about these toys that cannot be overlooked or denied: Those sweet-looking melee weapons!


Also, Optimus and Predaking are listed as well:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EB8U0MA
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EB8U0QQ

Optimus is listed as in stock with the right pictures and details up. Aw heck I'm going for it, I just hope this doesn't end up like Beast Hunters Commander Class Ultra Magnus again.

I grabbed one, but I'm pretty much expecting to get the regular Voyager BH Prime. At least they're easy to return!

I have a good feeling it's the right one. The price matches they have the proper pics and description. Maybe we got lucky. There is a history of Optimus Prime toys being released early as a teaser.

I'm planning on getting Twinstrike and Windrazor, because if I honest all they'll do is sit on my shelf in beast mode, just like the rest of my Pred's. They're still worth getting IMO because the lack of articulation isn't so important.

Smokescrean and BB are an easy pass IMO.

The one character I really wish they would 'upscale' is Hardshell. I got the commander class for my boy the other day, and I've played with it just as much as he has. Awesome figure.

after taking some time to look at these I can only come to one conclusion.

this a money grab pure and simple it isn't about easier transformations or being kid friendly
its about making more money by spending less on engineering, molds(fewer parts), and shipping costs (lighter figures).
I don't say this angrily though as they are a company with shareholders to answer to and the bottom line is the almighty dollar reigns supreme.

that said can you imagine the look on parents faces when their kids get these packages see the advert for the transformers COLLECTORS CLUB on the bottom and go to sign up to find out it costs a couple hundred dollars.

on a side note it makes me scared for future releases in the club if they end up using molds like these because lets face it they're easy to reproduce due to their lower complexity.

in the end well pay more for less and despite our best efforts that will be that.

What I like about these is that they are upscaled versions of pretty cool toys. The Terrorcons, at the least. I would have not minded the entire team. Hun-Grr is very welcome, even without his combiner parts.

Another part of me irks about these toys. Maybe the were cool because of their small size?

These are **** bricks. Seriously, 4 points of articulation AT BEST? I'm a live-and-let-live kinda collector, regulars know I'm not the type to lose my temper around here, but are they SERIOUSLY expecting people to pay the same price as ACTUAL Transformers for this stick figure crap? WHAT THE FRIGGIN' HELL, HASBRO?

ScottyP wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:To be perfectly frank, there is one positive thing about these toys that cannot be overlooked or denied: Those sweet-looking melee weapons!


Also, Optimus and Predaking are listed as well:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EB8U0MA
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EB8U0QQ

Optimus is listed as in stock with the right pictures and details up. Aw heck I'm going for it, I just hope this doesn't end up like Beast Hunters Commander Class Ultra Magnus again.

I grabbed one, but I'm pretty much expecting to get the regular Voyager BH Prime. At least they're easy to return!

That's exactly what happened to me; right pictures, right description, wrong figure. This isn't the first time I've had this happen ordering new product from Amazon, kinda bummed.