The Energon Pub

by **woosh** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:52 am

HAve you noticed that a lot of armada toys have their heads CLEARLY visible in their alts?
e.g. smokescreen. or sideswipe.

Topic name changed.

News Credits: 8 · by **Liege Evilmus** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:56 am

That and the double layered paint on SideSwipes logo are the pnly 2 good parts of that toy.

I gues you can also add Megatron too.

But for exposed heads Energon IronHide is the worst!

If they hid that, this figure would be some much better.

by **AlienQuiksilver** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:47 am

Liege Evilmus wrote:That and the double layered paint on SideSwipes logo are the pnly 2 good parts of that toy.

I gues you can also add Megatron too.

But for exposed heads Energon IronHide is the worst!

If they hid that, this figure would be some much better.

I couldn't agree with you more about Ironhide. They are pretty good at hiding his head while he's still in the box though! :lol:

If I would've seen it before purchasing him, he would have gone back. Such a cool figure otherwise, but that stupid head ruins the whole deal. It may sound retarded to some, but hey ... I can't control what I hate.

News Credits: 129 · by **Counterpunch** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:50 am

Energon was the bigger offender in this regard.

by **AlienQuiksilver** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:53 am

Counterpunch wrote:Energon was the bigger offender in this regard.

Ja, Sixshot and Shockblast was a pretty bad offender as well.

Your sig pic ... that didn't take you long. I just spit coffee on my monitor, dude. LOL!!! Pure genius.

News Credits: 2 · by **Tekka** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:55 am

Megatron at least has a visor that can come up to cover his face... but It would have been nice to be able to depress his head into the tank body. But Armada Megs is still my favourite Megatron by far, visible head or not.

News Credits: 129 · by **Counterpunch** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:57 am

AlienQuiksilver wrote:
Counterpunch wrote:Energon was the bigger offender in this regard.

Ja, Sixshot and Shockblast was a pretty bad offender as well.

Your sig pic ... that didn't take you long. I just spit coffee on my monitor, dude. LOL!!! Pure genius.

All glory to the Shogun!

SHO' NUFF!

:lol:

News Credits: 5 · by **decepticonjon** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:49 am

ah cp, just when i think i got you figured out.. you go and do something so brilliant.

News Credits: 2 · by **TFBuyer** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:17 pm

Not to break up the CP love-fest :roll:

, but I was thinking about your topic and the fact that, other than Omega Supreme, I can't really think of too many G1 figures with heads that just stick out there like some of the more recent lines (aforementioned Armada and Energon). It makes one wonder why the engineering has gotten as spotty (or shoddy) as it has, seeing as how many people rave over the engineering of recent lines in comparison to G1... :-?

News Credits: 8 · by **Liege Evilmus** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:27 pm

I wouldn't trash modern engenering, yeah there are alot of flawed bots, but articulation wise we are light years beyond G1, which I still love(had to through that in for saftey).

by **microclone** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:50 pm

woosh wrote:HAve you noticed that a lot of armada toys have their heads CLEARLY visible in their alts?
e.g. smokescreen. or sideswipe.

Topic name changed.

haha, try energon inferno, great toy though.

by **microclone** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:52 pm

Liege Evilmus wrote:I wouldn't trash modern engenering, yeah there are alot of flawed bots, but articulation wise we are light years beyond G1, which I still love(had to through that in for saftey).

a good toy is a good toy whether its G1 or animated, then again just what does make a good toy????

by **tentagil** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:03 pm

Most, though not all, of the big visible head offenders have the problem because some gimmick that takes up to much room inside the figure. Energon especially suffered from this problem, the combining gimmick hurt alot of figures.

News Credits: 1 · by **Craven Knight** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:12 pm

Movie Voyager Starscream, not only does he have an ugly head sculpt with little chipmunk teeth but his head just stick out the back of the jet, y'know in the spot where most planes have engines so they can fly.

He has a tiny little flap cover part of his face, it's aweful.

Movie Starscream and Megatron were total failures of character design in my opinion.

by **microclone** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:21 pm

Liege Evilmus wrote:I wouldn't trash modern engenering, yeah there are alot of flawed bots, but articulation wise we are light years beyond G1, which I still love(had to through that in for saftey).

a good toy is a good toy whether its G1 or animated, then again just what does make a good toy????

by **microclone** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:24 pm

tentagil wrote:Most, though not all, of the big visible head offenders have the problem because some gimmick that takes up to much room inside the figure. Energon especially suffered from this problem, the combining gimmick hurt alot of figures.

the robot mode was compromised somewhat because of the gimmick BUT i'd say that despite the gimmick (needing 4 modes in total!)the robots were actually rather nice, the toys had a lot of playbility and thats important. Solidly built too. Theres more ingenuity in the energon linkers than i the movie toys for eg.

News Credits: 8 · by **Liege Evilmus** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:51 pm

microclone wrote:
Liege Evilmus wrote:I wouldn't trash modern engenering, yeah there are alot of flawed bots, but articulation wise we are light years beyond G1, which I still love(had to through that in for saftey).

a good toy is a good toy whether its G1 or animated, then again just what does make a good toy????

In my opinion, way makes a good toy is quality construction, and a high level of enjoyability.

In lue of those two factors, I say afordability so you don't feel bad when pairing them with explosives

:sad:

OH HOW MANY $1 SMALL PLASTIC POORLY FOILED MEGAZORDS HAVE BEEN BLOWN APART, AND WHY OH WHY DID THE FLEA MARKET GUY RUN OUT OF THEM!?! :sad:

maybe because I blew them all up, but whatever.

Now I'm just gonna say, the G1 toys where well built, and fun! But tell me, what whould you rather PLAY WITH, G1 Prime who could bend his arms and legs a little while holding his gun sideways with a see through chest, or supper possable Classics Prime?

Both are awesome toys, but in my collection, one stayes behind glass coming out rarely, while the other is in the front.

But just to show that it's not a vintage thing, Jetfire is in the front as well

News Credits: 2 · by **TFBuyer** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:08 pm

Liege Evilmus wrote:I wouldn't trash modern engenering, yeah there are alot of flawed bots, but articulation wise we are light years beyond G1, which I still love(had to through that in for saftey).

Not trashing modern engineering at all. I love my G1 collection, but I'd rather "play with" my Classics over the G1s because of articulation, just as you said. I just found it interesting that, as far as engineering has come with articulation, etc., we still have a decent number of bots in recent years with they're heads sticking out of their alt modes. You'd think that problem would have been confined to older, "less engineered" lines.

In G1, some of the perpetrators were the Seekers--under the cockpit, there they are: little heads peeking at the land below, spitting on the people of earth. Fixable with modern engineering, right? Well, almost--Classics Ramjet, Dirge, and Thrust--there they go again, spitting on pedestrians.

None of this really matters much to me, so I'm not ranting. Just weird that we would have more (or the same) examples of VHS (Visible Head Syndrome) NOW in comparison to when Transformers started. Anyone think that the designers just assumed we'd buy anything with the TF label on it? Or it the gimmick argument the biggest culprit here?

News Credits: 1452 · by **Blurrz** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:19 pm

Worst visible head transformer ever is....

Titanium Starscream, Thundercracker, and that yellow seeker everyone likes

News Credits: 4 · by **Firebird** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:23 pm

Transmetal 2 Megatron had his head just hanging out on his back

Cybertron Red Alert's head is clearly visable

and don't get me started on Skyshadow the Dragonfly/Lizard...

by **tentagil** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:12 am

Well part of it ends up being a compromise in making the bot mode look good and also having a good alt mode. In the case of the Classics Coneheads they wanted to have the classic Conehead look, which limited them somewhat. True there were probably ways around it, but not with significantly more reenginering of the Classics Seeker mold.

News Credits: 3 · by **FracturedKoi** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:45 am

True with the Classic Coneheads, and I don't mind it on them, because when the jet is just sitting, you can't see it.

I can't stand Transformers with obvious bits of robot hanging off of their disguise mode. I don't mind if it's cleverly hidden like Classic Jetfire's arms (hidden by loads of weaponry), or even classic Prime/Magnus (hidden by the wind vane), but blatantly obvious bot parts...like all of Movie Starscream...I hate!

Strangly, however, I like having obvious bits of their disguise mode, car parts ect, hanging off of the bot mode. The RID car brothers for example, I love those bots!

by **woosh** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:30 am

Craven Knight wrote:Movie Voyager Starscream, not only does he have an ugly head sculpt with little chipmunk teeth but his head just stick out the back of the jet, y'know in the spot where most planes have engines so they can fly.

He has a tiny little flap cover part of his face, it's aweful.

Movie Starscream and Megatron were total failures of character design in my opinion.

Indeed. But 07 megatron beats cybertron megs (cyb. megs actually TRANSFORMS) in being the worst megatron design in history.
He was just pieces of scrapmetal squeezed together. IN BOTH MODES. who could've thought that he actually transforms. And both his toys were covered with blue ****. And pink flames. Gawd, what the hell is wrong with ppl.

(actually, in the movie all of the transformers look like they were just built out of tiny pieces of a vehicle randomly placed.Starscream, i'm looking at you.)

His legs are built out of tiny tiny pieces of the plane, and it's clearly visible.

*************

BEcause of G1's simple transformations, lots of them had very little amounts of kibble.

FracturedKoi wrote:I can't stand Transformers with obvious bits of robot hanging off of their disguise mode. I don't mind if it's cleverly hidden like Classic Jetfire's arms (hidden by loads of weaponry), or even classic Prime/Magnus (hidden by the wind vane), but blatantly obvious bot parts...like all of Movie Starscream...I hate!

Fast astion battlers starscream... with legs that you can stand him on... FABULOUS. -.-

FracturedKoi wrote:Strangly, however, I like having obvious bits of their disguise mode, car parts ect, hanging off of the bot mode. The RID car brothers for example, I love those bots!

I really like bots with cleverly placed car parts (chevy exclusive swerve...) that still look like robots in robot mode (that's why i don't quite like dropkick, because of his hands...).

News Credits: 1 · by **The Chaos Bringer** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:18 am

If there's one nice thing I can say about the Animated line, it's that there's no kibble whatsoever.

Sculpt-wise the line sucks but engineering-wise it owns most lines.

News Credits: 3 · by **FracturedKoi** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:51 am

The Chaos Bringer wrote:If there's one nice thing I can say about the Animated line, it's that there's no kibble whatsoever.

Sculpt-wise the line sucks but engineering-wise it owns most lines.

I wouldn't say that yet...I'm sure we'll get at least one bomb out of the group.