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[-Kanrabat-]

In comparison I'm thinking that for jet mode, the only real difference is that 3.0's bot arms fold behind his back? Otherwise there isn't too much difference. Beyond cosmetic changes ala the shins.

The difference is huge. Transformation will not work the same at all. Plus Newscream have a robot body pretty obvious under the jet while Oldscream is way more sleek everywhere. Turned the pic B&W to better compare:



It's more than just "cosmetics".

[AllNewSuperRobot]

As I've never had that figure, from the picture, the only real change I see is that the older one had the arms fold out in front of the bot mode chest. The new one tucks them in behind it.

[Evil Eye]

As Seibertron's resident jet nerd I can confirm MP-03 is frighteningly accurate to a real F-15. Now to be fair the jet mode on this new one isn't bad at all, even from underneath. The problem, ironically enough, is that the robot mode is so fixated on making the jet parts disappear that he ends up with a mahoosive backpack, a no-doubt insufferable transformation, most of the jet parts on the robot mode being fake (the jet cockpit is actually visible behind the fake one on his chest!), no waist swivel and no doubt a ludicrous pricepoint. All to achieve something that didn't need to happen in the first place. Like, Starscream is supposed to be a robot made of jet, not a jet with a completely different looking robot hidden inside like a genie in a lamp. Would it hurt that much to have jet surface detail visible in robot mode if it meant a better transformation, no fake parts and a less awful backpack?

[-Kanrabat-]

As I've never had that figure, from the picture, the only real change I see is that the older one had the arms fold out in front of the bot mode chest. The new one tucks them in behind it.

You don't notice the obvious legs being right there, the waist being right there, and the chest being right there on the new one?

The old is jet perfection and you have to really look hard to see robot parts.


Transformers Masterpiece Starscream (MP-03) Gallery

A bit baffling that the new Screamers, having so much of it's robot mode visible in het mode, still rely on "faux parts" for his bot mode.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

From the side view, it does looks different. But underneath, you can see the legs are in the exact same space, they're just a different design.

A bit baffling that the new Screamers, having so much of it's robot mode visible in het mode, still rely on "faux parts" for his bot mode.

I think in light of modern figures, such as BB 2.0 and Blackarachnia. When it comes to MP, Takara have given up even trying to adhere to "Robots in disguise".

[-Kanrabat-]

From the side view, it does looks different. But underneath, you can see the legs are in the exact same space, they're just a different design.

A design that make the legs look like a pretty seamless fuselage rather than just obvious legs being there. From your logic, a cardboard box and a Ming vase are the same thing, just a different design, because they "occupy the same space".

[ZeroWolf]

Their goal now is animation perfection, screw any other concern or better concepts (like what would Starscream looked like if this was his alt mode? What if the jet was a more modern fighter?). Its frustrating but its just how it is till we get a new designer

[AllNewSuperRobot]

From the side view, it does looks different. But underneath, you can see the legs are in the exact same space, they're just a different design.

A design that make the legs look like a pretty seamless fuselage rather than just obvious legs being there. From your logic, a cardboard box and a Ming vase are the same thing, just a different design, because they "occupy the same space".

Well no, that's just asinine. The shins are visible in both. In the exact some place. That obvious fact is what I'm saying.

[Syclone]

I think, simply because they can, he'll land in the $200-225 price range. He looks kinda short but probably not Hound/Arcee short. Maybe more Grapple size but I doubt he gets as low as $150-18o. Thundercracker and Skywarp will keep that price too, but I bet the inevitable deep-cut repaints hit that lower price. Not that I ever buy those anyway.

It's never bothered me TOO much to have faux vehicle parts in robot mode, at least on the cars because they can look so proportionally different. But having a fake cockpit is just rubbing me the wrong way for some reason. Buuuut I've wanted a redo of Starscream since the first go around (even though I really have grown fond of my greenscream) so I'm pretty on board no matter what.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

I like that it took them two tries to perfect Megatron, within ten years. Everyone else (aside from Prime) had to make do with their first one, until Anime+.

[william-james88]

Tgis thing is gonna be between 300 and 400 bucks. Have we had a leader sized MP cheaper than that in the past 3 years?

[AllNewSuperRobot]

This thing is gonna be between 300 and 400 bucks. Have we had a leader sized MP cheaper than that in the past 3 years?

18 named Seekers at time of writing. That's the big difference between Starscream and virtually everyone else, Leader or otherwise. That, I think will affect the price.

[william-james88]

This thing is gonna be between 300 and 400 bucks. Have we had a leader sized MP cheaper than that in the past 3 years?

18 named Seekers at time of writing. That's the big difference between Starscream and virtually everyone else, Leader or otherwise. That, I think will affect the price.

It didn't last time with Statscream being as expensive as other similarly sized bots, like Soundwave and MP-10 B (who was a bit cheaper too). Even when that mold was milked to death it was still $200 per conehead. I have no clue why Takara would suddenly feel more generous now when they've never shown restraint on prices. What we are looking at in those pics is a $300+ figure. The real question is, are you all willing to pay that 6 times to have some new cartoon Seekers.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

I have a friend who would. Only because Starscream is his favourite and he already has every other SS figure there is.

Personally, Galvatron is the only G1 MP I want or would consider, regardless of price.


EDIT: Correction - There are 19 Named Seekers. There's an Autobot too (Itami Prime).

[Sabrblade]

Looks like the jet's underside is show-accurate too:

[-Kanrabat-]

Looks like the jet's underside is show-accurate too:

Exactly why it dosent really bother me. By purely geeky-engeneering I find it bad, but it is exactly supposed to be this way. So in the end, it's fine.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

The feet have always looked strange to me. I think seeing the cartoon first didn't help. Everyone seemed to have the same flat "boot" feet. But the Seeker figures have always had to incorporate the jets, stabilisers etc Ending up with heels instead.

[Cyberpath]

To me he looks good in both modes. But I hope so will the QC.

[-Kanrabat-]

To me he looks good in both modes. But I hope so will the QC.

Me too. MP-11 betrayed me.

The feet have always looked strange to me. I think seeing the cartoon first didn't help. Everyone seemed to have the same flat "boot" feet. But the Seeker figures have always had to incorporate the jets, stabilisers etc Ending up with heels instead.

I'll be leaving this here.

[Cyberpath]

Paint by @chchchch_1 --

[TulioDude]

I wonder how complex the transformation will be.I don't think it was necessary to have two cockpits.

I'll be leaving this here.

That Fanart is nice,but in the actual G1 cartoon and comics I don't think Starscream was that slender.I'm sure there is some IDW issues he appears like that,but those came after.

[SpikeyTigertron]

This thing is gonna be between 300 and 400 bucks. Have we had a leader sized MP cheaper than that in the past 3 years?

18 named Seekers at time of writing. That's the big difference between Starscream and virtually everyone else, Leader or otherwise. That, I think will affect the price.

It didn't last time with Statscream being as expensive as other similarly sized bots, like Soundwave and MP-10 B (who was a bit cheaper too). Even when that mold was milked to death it was still $200 per conehead. I have no clue why Takara would suddenly feel more generous now when they've never shown restraint on prices. What we are looking at in those pics is a $300+ figure. The real question is, are you all willing to pay that 6 times to have some new cartoon Seekers.

I have to agree with Will here. I honestly forgot how much Tigertron was until he shipped... between him and Dinobot… (and MP-44) we've entered a new age of prices. I can't see the new Seeker mold being under $300.

For me... As much as it'll pain me to not get the inevitable Thundercracer (I missed out on the Hasbro Asia light blue release of the MP-11 mold). Short of them doing someone like Slipstream... I can't bring myself to invest in another three to six figures at that price point. I felt bad enough paying $200 for the cone heads who all tanked in price within 6 months (mostly due to engineering issues).

[Nemesis Maximo]

The real question is, are you all willing to pay that 6 times to have some new cartoon Seekers.

To be perfectly honest, I don’t plan to get any seekers beyond Starscream and possibly Thrust. But I’m in the camp that absolutely adores the cartoon aesthetic, so I might very well be tempted. Then again, I still have yet to pull the trigger on the +versions of Bluestreak and Smokescreen because I really don’t like to double-dip on molds.

So I guess the short answer is...maybe. I hope not, but maybe.

[SpikeyTigertron]

The real question is, are you all willing to pay that 6 times to have some new cartoon Seekers.

To be perfectly honest, I don’t plan to get any seekers beyond Starscream and possibly Thrust. But I’m in the camp that absolutely adores the cartoon aesthetic, so I might very well be tempted. Then again, I still have yet to pull the trigger on the +versions of Bluestreak and Smokescreen because I really don’t like to double-dip on molds.

So I guess the short answer is...maybe. I hope not, but maybe.

not to derail too much... but since you brought up the MP+ I've been on the fence ever since they did Prowl and Sideswipe. My main issue (besides the double and in some cases triple dip- Tigertrack, *blue* Streak, and G2 Sideswipe) is that I feel a lot of the vehicle mode paint apps suffered for the better bot paint layout. Though I do love all those blue tinted windows... those almost got me to pull the trigger.

Then when MP+ Streak and Smokescreen did the more accurate heads and effect parts... I was like... "Well this is different at least"... but I just don't think I can justify it. Wheeljack was another close call because of the fact that again, bot mode looked so much more iconic with the MP+ but the car graphics were so much better with the regular release.

What would be an interesting flip would be if they do a special release of this new mold in the GreenScream or realistic military/low-visibility colors.

[Emerje]

has new images of Masterpiece Starscream ver 3.0 prototype

FTFY

-Percepter

Takara themselves are calling it version 2 as both mp 3 and 11 are based off the same prototype.

Wait, MP-11 didn't have its own prototype? MP-3 and MP-11 are pretty different from each other...

-Percepter

New parts are in gray:

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Tgis thing is gonna be between 300 and 400 bucks. Have we had a leader sized MP cheaper than that in the past 3 years?

MP-49 Black Convoy was 28,000JPY/$265 and could be had for under $200 after discounts (currently $150 plus shipping on Amazon Japan). Sure, they had to remove a bunch of stuff from MP-44, but none of that effected his ridiculously complex transformation. I think we should see Starscream at a comparable price, he'll be complex but he doesn't appear to have a lot of small parts. Only think I can see driving his price over $300 (before discounts) is whatever crazy extras they decide to include.