The Energon Pub

[Hellbender]

What is your theory on how the Transformers create more Transformers? The Comics and shows have mentioned different ways, but tell us how you think it could be done.

[General Hawk]

I have a theory entirely different from anything I have read or seen but it completely changes the transformers history and quite a few of the stories...it also has a couple kinks..well just one that I can think of right now so until I figure that out I'm gonna keep it to myself. I work at a golf course mowing all day long so I've had quite a bit of time to think about the scenario along with a new beginning all the way through to the non-end(of course the saga never ends). My theory would also be a great starting point to a transformers MMORPG.

[DesalationReborn]

When a Manbot and a Fembot love each other, the Manbot takes his reproductive interface and...

Anyway, I think this is more for the Transformers General Discussion than the Philosopher's Forum. It's less a discussion than a consultation of TF canon. As well, you'd be far more likely to get a true answer.

[Nightracer GT]

This isn't really philosophy. It goes in TFGD. Transformers are built in factories. They're war machines with complex AI.

[Mkall]

This isn't really philosophy. It goes in TFGD. Transformers are built in factories. They're war machines with complex AI.

Off to TFGD we go

Let's please try to keep this clean folks

[ThunderThruster]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
for the love of primus, please dont start on this topic again! if anybody wants ideas try this thread: http://www.seibertron.com/forums/viewto ... b8ad1c9610

[Tramp]

Thunder Thruster has a point. That was a huge debate on the subject which was never resolved after 30 pages. Needless to say, according to most canon sources, the current primary methode is, of cource, factory built protoforms imbued with a spark. However, that is not the only possible methoid of creating new Cybertronian life.

Acording to most continuities in TF canon, Cybetronians are male or female, they have genders, but for most of their history, females have been lost, apparently taken, leaving, in essence, a single gender society. Genders only serve a reproductive function. Secondly, we have multiple canon examples of courtship between the genders, as well as romantic rivalries. Both of these serve in the selection and winning of mates, also a reproductive drive. Third, we have at least two examples of marriages among TransFormers, WreckGar is married, as is Deathsaurus—to a fem named Esmeryl—according to the manga version of Victory. We also have a few examples of small children. Another key factor is the very fact that they are more than just robots. They are life forms. As such there are certain prerquisits they must meet to be classified as such, which are required fo survival. Among these criteria is the capability of autopoietic reproduction. The ability to procreate—to create new life from one's own being, not from outside materials—to beget offspring.

The best theory I have for how it works is based upon their "regenrative circuitry"; the nanomachines that heal damage to their bodies. As stated in several passages in MtMtE #8, they have a genetic code which is hardwired into every part of their bodies, including their regenerative systems. Now, imagine specialized systems, based upon this "regenerative circuitry", which creates specialized nanites that contain only half of their genetic code. Through "interfacing" a male's interface nozzel with the female's interface receptical, these nanites travel from th male to the female and, as with organic life forms, one of the males nanite gamets, merges with the female's nanite gamete, which then grow within her, creating not only a new body, but also a new spark from the combined genes of the two parents. Some time later, the child is born, probably no larger than a human. That is my theory on how it would most likely work.

[Damolisher]

Yeah, we had a huge uh, I guess you'd say debate (Which went on about 10 pages too long because some of us refuse to accept defeat and insist on Gettysburg addressing everyone to death.) Please don't start this AGAIN.

And just for the record, Tramp's got a raging boner over non-canon fanwank, so all you'll hear if you disargee with him is bullcrap and hearsay. And if you out argue him, he'll stop trying, and just start trying to get the last word in, as always. OH, COME ON, IT'S TRUE! He'll read this just to see what I'm saying and respond to it!

[Auto Bot]

They're grown.

Fields and fields of TF poppy stalks.

They pop out of the Cybertronian metal ground randomly.

The Allspark goes out shooting life in all directions.

Those who were fortunate to received it, life starts.

They pop out of the poppy seeds.

Transformer. More Than Meets The Eyes (TM)

[Zombie Starscream]

My theory is, they reproduce by nanites. The males have them and the females have them. They have a sort of "genetic code" in them, and when they procreate, this combines to form a new organism. This new organism now has the complete set of required data from both parents, and it begins to replicate. In time the nanites differntiate, and form differant body systems. There is wide "genetic" variation in Tfs, but some of the traits that show up are the base componants of the personality, possibly body coloration, and possibly an alt mode. This variation accounts for some Tfs being stupid, some brilliant, some neurotic, and some easygoing. Theoretically if two Tfs who mate have the same relative alt mode, they progeny will have them too. Also theoretically, Tfs will tend to prefer others of their kind with the same alt mode.

Over time, I theorise that if the factions continue for a very long time, they might even become seperate species, as they probably do not interbreed much. At least, that is what I've heard about the evolutionary theory posited in school textbooks

[Saber Prime]

Theory? What "theory"? Everyone allready knows how new transformers are made.

[Auto Bot]

From Hasbro factories in China?

[Mr. Kemp]

My theory of TF sexual reproduction also involves nanites multiplying in order to form a body for the created Spark, in a similar fashion to Tramp and ZombieStarscream's theories.

The main difference is that I believe that Transformers are the mechanical equivalent of insects. Cockroaches can be mentally controlled, just as how machines can be reprogrammed. Furthermore, both insects and Transformers have a hard outer body, so actual pregnancy is unlikely. Instead, it seems logical to me that female Transformers would lay a little nanite sphere that develops and forms into a child-like body, into which the new life's Spark is inserted. The child would then use the nanites like organic cells, growing and strengthening into an adult form.

[Tramp]

My theory of TF sexual reproduction also involves nanites multiplying in order to form a body for the created Spark, in a similar fashion to Tramp and ZombieStarscream's theories.

The main difference is that I believe that Transformers are the mechanical equivalent of insects. Cockroaches can be mentally controlled, just as how machines can be reprogrammed. Furthermore, both insects and Transformers have a hard outer body, so actual pregnancy is unlikely. Instead, it seems logical to me that female Transformers would lay a little nanite sphere that develops and forms into a child-like body, into which the new life's Spark is inserted. The child would then use the nanites like organic cells, growing and strengthening into an adult form.

There are some insect species which bear live young. And, if the young is small enough, It wouldn't place a heavy burden on the mother. Though layng an egg would definately be an interesting twist. The only real problem with it is that the egg would need to be guarded or tended to, since would be exceptionally vulnerable. Internal development provides more protection for the offspring. Definately an interesting theory though. It could work.

As for the spark, It would make more sense for the spark to form simultaniously as the child developes. The use of the Matrix or Vector Sigma is only for imbuing protoforms. It would be more natural for the spark of a "naturally produced" offspring to form from the union of the parents with each nanite containing a fragment of their sparks which also merge in the joining of the nanite gametes. Therefore there should be no need to insert a spark. It should develop naturally on its own.

[Damolisher]

Why is this even a matter of "What happens?" We've seen what happens, Transformers are created by one or more other Transformers and then programmed. BANG!

[Tramp]

It matters because others of us see other possibilities besides just building protoforms and imbuing them with sparks. You may not agree with that, and you are welcome to. But we like to imagine the other possibilities, and that is what this discusssion is about— theories on those other possible methods of creating new Cybertronian life. The other untapped potential.

[Zombie Starscream]

Them laying eggs would be an interesting twist I wonder if they would lay several egss or just one at a time? It might have a porous metal shell, an energon "yolk" and a ligid or gel medium that cushions and enables the young Tf to grow.

[Tramp]

Probably the same type of "nutrient gel" that protoforms are nurtured in. By the same token, If they did develop internally, they still would probably developn in a nutrient gel inside the mother. Once again though An egg pod would require one or both parents to remain with the eggs and tend them around the clock for weeks, or months. Not exactly something a race that was born originally to act as pilots and custodians of their "god's" planetary form. Internal development would allow both parents to continue their daily activities uninterupted. Neither would have to remain home to "nest".

[Zombie Starscream]

I wonder what she would need to consume to produce that nutient gel for the young creature

[Tramp]

I wonder what she would need to consume to produce that nutient gel for the young creature

I'm not sure. Probably silicon for starters, as well as other minerals and metals. Form which the body itself would form.

[Kanyon]

Transformers are created by the writers and planning staff at the hasbro office.

Ted:So we can call him..Tamogotchee, his alt mode is this lil digital pet toy but he transforms and WHOM! He Transforms.

George:No Ted..For the 10th time no digital pet Transformers. We dont need Bandai ripping our stuff off again.

I know it was kinda off topic. But thats how Transformers are created. =p

[Tramp]

ROFLMAO

[Zombie Starscream]

I wonder if they are able to reproduce without needing to infuse a blank protoform with a spark, will they still need the Matrix?

Edit: Unless the Matrix only has a set number of Sparks in it, because they were captured from dying Tfs and these were needed to power the new protoforms. I imagine the Sparks keep returning to the Matrix, and when a new protoform is needed, they get "recycled." But if Tf is born without the use of a protoform, either the Spark is generated on its own, or its created from bits of the parents' Sparks.

[Tramp]

I'd have to say no, they wouldn't, because the new spark would be created from the parents' sparks

[Zombie Starscream]

I'd have to say no, they wouldn't, because the new spark would be created from the parents' sparks

That would make sense That way they would have a bit of the parents in them, not just physically.