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[Shadowman]

Ever since Hasbro made the announcement that Prime is a sequel to War for Cybertron, people have been arguing it. I know I have! But then another group of people emerged: The people who took it one step further, that somehow, War for Cybertron was meant as a prequel to G1. These people are, in fact, completely wrong but it's happened enough times that I need to make a thread to stop this nonsense.

It's not like it hasn't happened before. After that "Archival footage" in Animated, it was some time before people began accepting Animated was a totally new universe. I remember people trying to smash together Armada and G1 as well, but that settled down more quickly.

If War for Cybertron was meant to be a prequel to G1, then it was extremely poorly done. I've already explained, many, many times, that WfC differs from G1 in too many ways:

Jetfire: In G1, he crashed on Earth LONG before the War, and joined the Decepticons (Not knowing the difference) because he was friends with Starscream, but in WfC, he shows outrage that Starscream would defect to the Decepticons and admits his pride as an Autobot.

The Matrix: Optimus Prime gets it from Alpha Trion in G1, but in WfC, Optimus gets it from the Core of Cybertron.

Trypticon: He was built in Earth in 2005 by the Constructicons, but in WfC he was made by Shockwave, before the Transformers ever left Cybertron.

Optimus Prime's Origins: he was a dock worker named Orion Pax before being nearly killed by Megatron, then was rebuilt by Alpha Trion, who gave him the Matrix and the name Optimus Prime. In WfC, he was an archivist named Optimus, became Prime after the Council named him as such, and got the Matrix from the Core of Cybertron.

Air Raid and Silverbolt: Built by Optimus Prime, Alpha Trion and Vector Sigma out of retrofitted Earth planes in 1985, and for a time actually believed the Decepticons weren't as evil as the Autobots let on. In WfC, they had been fighting in the war for some time, Jetfire was part of their team, and they knew how evil the Decepticons could be.

No, War for Cybertron is NOT a prequel to G1, and if it was intended to be, then they either didn't know they were blatantly contradicting it on numerous counts, or they just didn't care.

[MightyMagnus78]

I just naturally excepted that they were completely separate continuities, yet another reinvention of the franchise and left it at that.

[SJ21]

The way I understood it, WfC is official cannon for the G1 continuity. I understand the argument against it, but according to Hasbro, that's the way it is.

[Shadowman]

The way I understood it, WfC is official cannon for the G1 continuity. I understand the argument against it, but according to Hasbro, that's the way it is.

Check your facts: Hasbro said WfC is canon for Transformers: Prime, not G1.

[Forward 2.0]

The way I understood it, WfC is official cannon for the G1 continuity. I understand the argument against it, but according to Hasbro, that's the way it is.

Shadowman's right, Hasbro never said this.

[Sabrblade]

To add to this:

Reason for leaving Cybertron: In G1, Cybertron had been depleted of nearly its resources of energy. In WFC, Cybertron had been infected by the energies of Dark Energon.

Bodies: In G1, the Autobots and Decepticons all had the same robot forms that they would have on Earth, with only their altmodes changing on Earth. In WFC, they have entirely different bodies from those seen G1. And they couldn't have had time to undergo body changes as the Autobots were about to board the Ark at the end of the game while still in their WFC bodies, while G1 showed them in their G1 Robot Modes well before the time to board the Ark came.

Breakdown: In G1, he was created in 1985 from a stolen Lamborghini, given life by Vector Sigma. In WFC, like Air Raid and Silverbolt, he already exists.

Sentinel Zeta Prime: In G1, Sentinel Prime and Zeta Prime are two different individuals. Sentinel preceeded Optimus, and Zeta preceeded Sentinel. In WFC, Zeta Prime immediately preceeds Optimus (and thanks to the retcon Hasbro made, Zeta and Sentinel are the same guy in WFC).

Seekers: In G1, all Seekers resemble the body-type of Starscream, Skywarp, and Thundercracker. In WFC, all airborne Decepticon footsoldiers who have a flying altmode are Seekers, and they don't look like Screamer-tachi at all.

Aerialbots: In G1, there were only five: Silverbolt, Air Raid, Skydive, Slingshot, and Fireflight; who all combined to form Superion. In WFC, they, like the Seekers, are any airborne Autobot footsoldiers with a flying altmode.

[Shadowman]

To add to this:

Reason for leaving Cybertron: In G1, Cybertron had been depleted of nearly its resources of energy. In WFC, Cybertron had been infected by the energies of Dark Energon.

The Core shutting down caused Cybertron to stop producing Energon, and the still-escalating war would have used up what was left over. Especially since Megatron clearly does not understand any definition of the word "Ration."

Bodies: In G1, the Autobots and Decepticons all had the same robot forms that they would have on Earth, with only their altmodes changing on Earth. In WFC, they have entirely different bodies from those seen G1. And they couldn't have had time to undergo body changes as the Autobots were about to board the Ark at the end of the game while still in their WFC bodies, while G1 showed them in their G1 Robot Modes well before the time to board the Ark came.

It's not unheard of for that kind of thing to happen. Look at Energon, everyone got an inexplicable makeover since Armada.

Still, all your other points were spot-on. One day, even you might be as good as me at breaking apart continuity.

[Sabrblade]

It's not unheard of for that kind of thing to happen. Look at Energon, everyone got an inexplicable makeover since Armada.

I'm saying that they were in the WFC bodies when they were about to board the Ark in the game, but G1 had them in their G1 bodies during moments earlier than the Ark boarding.

And as for your example, a VHS promo for Super Link went into some detail on the intermediate time between Armada and Energon, showing how Optimus and his comrades powered up from their Armada bodies into their Energon bodies to prepare themselves for their new mission of working with Earth's scientists to acquire energon.

If you want to watch this short promo, PM me for further details.

[Shadowman]

It's not unheard of for that kind of thing to happen. Look at Energon, everyone got an inexplicable makeover since Armada.

I'm saying that they were in the WFC bodies when they were about to board the Ark in the game, but G1 had them in their G1 bodies during moments earlier than the Ark boarding.

They weren't boarding the Ark, it was still under construction.

[SJ21]

The way I understood it, WfC is official cannon for the G1 continuity. I understand the argument against it, but according to Hasbro, that's the way it is.

Check your facts: Hasbro said WfC is canon for Transformers: Prime, not G1.

Wow. I completely misread that then. Thanks for clearing that one up for me!

If the game is a prequel to Prime, I have a question. At the end of the game didn't Cybertron essentially shut itself down because it was completely infested with dark Energon? If that is the case, why would Megatron (in Prime) say that the dark Energon was so extremely rare if the entire planet is covered in it?

[Shadowman]

The way I understood it, WfC is official cannon for the G1 continuity. I understand the argument against it, but according to Hasbro, that's the way it is.

Check your facts: Hasbro said WfC is canon for Transformers: Prime, not G1.

Wow. I completely misread that then. Thanks for clearing that one up for me!

If the game is a prequel to Prime, I have a question. At the end of the game didn't Cybertron essentially shut itself down because it was completely infested with dark Energon? If that is the case, why would Megatron (in Prime) say that the dark Energon was so extremely rare if the entire planet is covered in it?

Trust me, I asked that same question. WfC being a prequel to Prime is official, but it still doesn't fit.

[Sabrblade]

Wow. I completely misread that then. Thanks for clearing that one up for me!

If the game is a prequel to Prime, I have a question. At the end of the game didn't Cybertron essentially shut itself down because it was completely infested with dark Energon? If that is the case, why would Megatron (in Prime) say that the dark Energon was so extremely rare if the entire planet is covered in it?

Trust me, I asked that same question. WfC being a prequel to Prime is official, but it still doesn't fit.

Well, we don't know how long after WFC/Exodus Prime takes place. By that point, the planet could have been healed, but uninhabited, since they said that the war had been moved to other planets as well.

And by that point, maybe Dark Energon had become scarce again like it originally had been before Megs had it mass produced in the game/book.

Or, like I've said in other places, this Dark Energon in the show could be a different variant than that seen in the games/book. After all, the book called it the "Sparks of Unicron" and the show called it the "Blood of Unicron". This new "Blood" variant could be more rare than the "Sparks" variant and would explain how the two have difernet effects from each other, as seen in the book/games (where it was an addictive power up) and the show (where it reanimates the dead).

[Shadowman]

Well, we don't know how long after WFC/Exodus Prime takes place. By that point, the planet could have been healed, but uninhabited, since they said that the war had been moved to other planets as well.

That doesn't make any sense. When your house is being fumigated, you stay at a hotel or something. When your home is done being fumigated, you move back in. If Cybertron was healed, they wouldn't have abandoned it.

And by that point, maybe Dark Energon had become scarce again like it originally had been before Megs had it mass produced in the game/book.

Megatron and Starscream knew how to make Dark Energon, and Soundwave (at least) knows how to make regular Energon. There's no reason they should have run out.

Or, like I've said in other places, this Dark Energon in the show could be a different variant than that seen in the games/book. After all, the book called it the "Sparks of Unicron" and the show called it the "Blood of Unicron". This new "Blood" variant could be more rare than the "Sparks" variant and would explain how the two have difernet effects from each other, as seen in the book/games (where it was an addictive power up) and the show (where it reanimates the dead).

But they never make the distinction. They never say they used more than one kind, and the term "Blood of Unicron" is only used a couple times, every other time it's called Dark Energon.

Also, if Exodus says something, you should immediately regard it as non-canon because the Exodus has probably already contradicted it.

[Sabrblade]

You might wanna fix the coding in that post. It's really confusing.

[Shadowman]

You might wanna fix the coding in that post. It's really confusing.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Nothing is wrong with the coding in that post. That edit tag is all just in your imagination.

[Sabrblade]

That doesn't make any sense. When your house is being fumigated, you stay at a hotel or something. When your home is done being fumigated, you move back in. If Cybertron was healed, they wouldn't have abandoned it.

1. How do we know they still had a means to return home at that point? The Earth-based Autobots said they were stuck there and also blew up the space bridge, which was stated to probably be their only chance of returning home. How do we know that the other Autobots on other planets aren't stuck too?

2. Maybe they feel they can't return home until they've rid the galaxy of the Decepticon menace. Like, they feel it is their Autobot duty to stop the Decepticons as all cost, even if it means that they can't go back home until they're done. After all, it was from their homeworld that this band of killers came from, so it's understandible if they wanted to keep their problem from spreading any farther beyond where they've gotten to.

Megatron and Starscream knew how to make Dark Energon, and Soundwave (at least) knows how to make regular Energon. There's no reason they should have run out.

Maybe they stopped producing it for some reason. Who really knows for sure?

But they never make the distinction. They never say they used more than one kind, and the term "Blood of Unicron" is only used a couple times, every other time it's called Dark Energon.

This is what bothers me. The fact that they make no such distinction between the Dark Energon of the book/games and the Dark Energon of the show, when the two act very different from each other.

Making such a speculation as I have just done is probably the only way I can see how they can fictionally reconcile the differences between the two. But since they haven't done so (yet), it's adds up to being another continuity error.

Also, if Exodus says something, you should immediately regard it as non-canon because the Exodus has probably already contradicted it.

Actually, the nature of Dark Energon was one of the few things that Exodus stayed decently consistent with. The bigger contradictions of that book were mostly about certain characters and such.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Jetfire: In G1, he crashed on Earth LONG before the War, and joined the Decepticons (Not knowing the difference) because he was friends with Starscream, but in WfC, he shows outrage that Starscream would defect to the Decepticons and admits his pride as an Autobot.[/quote\

Slight correction.

G1 toon= Skyfire not Jetfire.

Air Raid and Silverbolt: Built by Optimus Prime, Alpha Trion and Vector Sigma out of retrofitted Earth planes in 1985,

No, they were created out of Cybertron shuttles.

[Sabrblade]

Slight correction.

G1 toon= Skyfire not Jetfire.

Only in name are they different. They're as much the same as G1 toon Optimus Prime = WFC Optimus Prime.

I mean, it's obvious that these two are not the exact same being, but that G1 Skyfire is the Jetfire of the G1 toon.

[USAF_Prime]

Actually, WFC was suppose to be a prequel to G1, however Hasbro changed their mind and decided to go with Exodus, and Prime instead. Probably to keep from upsetting the fan base and leaving G1 intact. With Exodus and Prime. It was easier to do, with Prime being new and separate from all that has come before. Perfect place to start screwing things up again.

Wondering when they deleted my account here?

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Slight correction.

G1 toon= Skyfire not Jetfire.

Only in name were they different. They're as much the same as G1 toon Optimus Prime = WFC Optimus Prime.

I havent played the game but from what I've read here and on other threads, the personality of WFC Jetfire is quite different from G1 toon Skyfire.

[Sabrblade]

Slight correction.

G1 toon= Skyfire not Jetfire.

Only in name were they different. They're as much the same as G1 toon Optimus Prime = WFC Optimus Prime.

I havent played the game but from what I've read here and on other threads, the personality of WFC Jetfire is quite different from G1 toon Skyfire.

It's as different as WFC Trypticon's personality is from G1 Trypticon's.

[Shadowman]

Air Raid and Silverbolt: Built by Optimus Prime, Alpha Trion and Vector Sigma out of retrofitted Earth planes in 1985,

No, they were created out of Cybertron shuttles.[/quote]

Close enough. They were Cybertronian jets rebuilt with bits of Earth jets, or rebuilt to look like Earth jets, or built to resemble completely unrelated machines that coincidentally look exactly like Earth jets. In any case my point still stands that they couldn't exist before the Autobots and Decepticons landed on Earth.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Slight correction.

G1 toon= Skyfire not Jetfire.

Only in name were they different. They're as much the same as G1 toon Optimus Prime = WFC Optimus Prime.

I havent played the game but from what I've read here and on other threads, the personality of WFC Jetfire is quite different from G1 toon Skyfire.

It's as different as WFC Trypticon's personality is from G1 Trypticon's.

Again, havent played the game, so that doesnt really tell me anything.

[Shadowman]

Slight correction.

G1 toon= Skyfire not Jetfire.

Only in name were they different. They're as much the same as G1 toon Optimus Prime = WFC Optimus Prime.

I havent played the game but from what I've read here and on other threads, the personality of WFC Jetfire is quite different from G1 toon Skyfire.

It's as different as WFC Trypticon's personality is from G1 Trypticon's.

Again, havent played the game, so that doesnt really tell me anything.

I think he means they're both pretty much the same personality wise.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Close enough. They were Cybertronian jets rebuilt with bits of Earth jets, or rebuilt to look like Earth jets, or built to resemble completely unrelated machines that coincidentally look exactly like Earth jets. In any case my point still stands that they couldn't exist before the Autobots and Decepticons landed on Earth.

Your point stands but your details werent accurate

They were made from low-flying cargo and speed transports not Cybertronian jets .
They were made to look like Earth jets but werent made with any parts of Earth jets.