The Energon Pub

[pr0wl]

why has everyone's favorite giant robot heroes resorted to such foul language?
i found it hard to concentrate on the movie with all of the poor language being thrown around
at first it was acceptible
but then they started using curse words in every other sentence!
please post your thoughts

[Grifter Prime]

Not just the language but the dogs too. (you know the scene!) Kids don't need to say that! I found the language and certain frames very offensive. I dont know why Sam's mom has to be such a foul mouthed person. Micheal Bay needs to pay attention to what he's doing. Hasbro should scold him for these things if he want to do another movie.

[GetterDragun]

I think if PG-13 humor offends you, you shouldn't go see a PG-13 movie.

[Grifter Prime]

Apparently you missed my point.

[Flare]

Langage? I remember back in 1986 when Spike said; "Oh ****!" in the first animated movie. Fans were surprised, some may have been slightly uncomfortable, but the kids I grew up with were actually thrilled. We never saw any character from G1 use foul language before. The curse words often used by Autobots and Decepticon's were words like; Slag or Cretin. For the fans of G1 in the late 80's it was shocking to see all the death in that first movie as well. Optimus Prime wasn't resurrected in that movie and we were left believing that was it for him. I remember so many kids crying. Of course later on in the 90s when that movie was put out on video, they edited out Spike cursing and added in some narration at the end telling the viewer that Optimus Prime was not gone forever and would be back. Now all of the original fans who owned the toys and grew up with Transformers like me are all Adults now. Most of us are nearing 30 if not past 35 by now.

The language in these new movies I don't think are intended for little kids, the movies are not "G" rated like Disney's. I believe these movies are actually made for the original fans. But of course they're also trying to pick up a larger audience so they rated it PG13. So anyone under 13 should be accompanied by a Parent. But it's not intended for children, it's intended for a more mature audience. These movies deal with a lot of violence, sexual humor/innuendos. However, I don't see a lot of human blood; so there is some censorship. But the violence is not any better for kids to see. And yeah, Optimus is no longer the goody goody Autobot who would settle for capturing Ravage in a cage alive. Now he rips out Decepticon Sparks or blows a disabled Decepticon's cybernetic brain out, "Execution Style". I can remember when that was Megatron's style in the 86' movie. You remember, when he blasted Ironhide's head off in a similar fashion.

These movies I believe are intended for the adult fans. I'm not sure if it's a War between good and evil anymore, either.

[GetterDragun]

Apparently you missed my point.

Apparently you didn't express it as well as you though.

[Agent 007]

I think if PG-13 humor offends you, you shouldn't go see a PG-13 movie.

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If it has herp and derp and teens/ young adults in main roles then there's probobly swearing just get over it. I mean common how old are you that that offends you??

[Autobobby1]

Micheal Bay needs to pay attention to what he's doing.

Michael Bay didn't write the script, Orci and Kurtzman did. And they're most likely quitting before production starts for TF3.

[pr0wl]

I don't think I made my point clear
but it wasn't the cursing altogether
but it was the amount of foul language used

m bay said that skids and mudflap were designed for kids
but they were the ones cursing through the entire film
I never really cared about tryingv to make an adult film into a kiddie movie
I bet half of the theaters population was pissed that they were tricked into brinngin their kids to a cuss fest

im sure people remember the cursewords in tf1
but they didn't curse to the same extent
im just sayin I hope tf3
isn't chalked with curse words

[Prime Riblet]

The bad words aren't necessary, but if the movie is rated a certain way how can anyone rationally gripe about it.

[Lastjustice]

I bet half of the theaters population was pissed that they were tricked into brinngin their kids to a cuss fest

Tricked? did you not see the warning label..PG-13. Anyone who complains they felt mislead are same dense people who took their kids see Watchmen cause was a comic book movie despite being clearly R Rated.

If your kids watched any adult shows they could easily come across as much swearing.(like king of the hell or simpsons both say b**** , ass,damn and hell.) You can say anything short of s*** and F*** on national TV now days for most part as alot of stuff gets past sensors that wouldnt have 20 years ago. Unless your kids live in a vacuum they ll likely hear these things.(often from the potty mouths of kids their own age.)

I took my sisters kids with me, I didnt feel bad about the swearing cause their parents both swear plenty in front of them. I talked about it before hand that they werent to mimic it, and they knew better. Which they do, and havent turned into a bunch of swearing lil gremlins cause of a single movie. They just thought it was awesome and loved it. I honestly did find it to be every other word like you are making it out to be.

Most comic related movies have compareable harsh language and are Pg-13. GI joe despite being bsed off a toy line likely have its share of swearing in it. Oh my virgin ears...pfft I've had enough customers at work having a bad day unload on me in far worse public displays than this movie did heh. (which it wasnt my fault alot of times, they were just being ticked off at the world.)

[Evil_the_Nub]

It's a movie about a war, people don't say "oh fiddley dee I'm being shot at" they say "oh s#$%! I'm being shot at!"

[Burn]

It's a movie about a war, people don't say "oh fiddley dee I'm being shot at" they say "oh s#$%! I'm being shot at!"

Unless you're Captain Jack Sparrow, then there's a pretty good chance you'll be caught saying "oh fiddley dee, i'm being shot at", or at the very least, "OH BUGGER!"
Goddamn Disney, how I hate thee yet like some of your movies.

[SunScourge]

I think if PG-13 humor offends you, you shouldn't go see a PG-13 movie.

Last time I check that kind of language was ok in movies as long as you put a rating at the begining warning parents about it........Wait a minute it was rated.

[GetterDragun]

I think if PG-13 humor offends you, you shouldn't go see a PG-13 movie.

Last time I check that kind of language was ok in movies as long as you put a rating at the begining warning parents about it........Wait a minute it was rated.

Your post doesn't make sense.

Ratings are their to warn parents. If a parent brings their 8 year old kid to a PG-13 movie, then it;s their fault if a topic comes up that might be inappropriate. Though I guess it is the sad state of affairs that parents blame everyone but themselves for not figuring out that 8 < 13.

[pr0wl]

what i was saying was...
the last time i checked tfs was a movie based on the popular TOY line
and THE ANIMATED series
thats like (lets use ben 10 as an example)
hes been on for awile so old adult fans are likin it(example)
that doesnt mean that cn should make it into a movie with so much cussin just cause older fans like it

ps

i dont think that the parents that bring their kids to(pg-13) a movie care about the
cursing,its just that there was so much cursing
im 16 and i cuss like a sailor,and even i thought there was too much cussing

[5150 Cruiser]

I can see where both sides are coming from. On one side you have movie that was intended for a broad range of audiences, and clearly has a PG-13 rating due to its humor, sexual references, violence, and langues. The rating is very clear, and anyone that bring there kids to said movie should have known what they were in for. Regardless if the movie is based on a child's cartoon.

On the other hand you can't walk into gas station, let alone a toy store without TF staring you down. Go to the local wallmart with your kids, pass by the toy isle, and one section is completely dedicated to ROTF merchandise. Kids that want the toys, are obviously going to want to see the movie that is basically being thrown out in front of them. As a parent, i can understand wanting to take your kids, and being a little upset considering that for a movie that has so much merchandise aimed at kids, the actual film isn't.

Although i can see both points of view, I'm going to have to side with the
"Its a PG-13 movie. This is what happens when a movie has this rating attached to it. Get over it".
Like Others have said, the movie wasn't aimed for kids. More for adults. To be honest, so are some of the toys.

[Robinson]

Blah, Blah, Blah


Watch an episode of south park and you'll be offended ten ways from sunday.

It's a movie about a war, people don't say "oh fiddley dee I'm being shot at" they say "oh s#$%! I'm being shot at!"

Unless you're Captain Jack Sparrow, then there's a pretty good chance you'll be caught saying "oh fiddley dee, i'm being shot at", or at the very least, "OH BUGGER!"
Goddamn Disney, how I hate thee yet like some of your movies.

Burn wins, Damn Aussie humor.

[Maxima]

Prowl has a point. Occassional language is overlooked but there was a lot of foul language it felt like you were in the military. I lost count how many times "ass" was said in the movie. And I was rather floored when Prime cussed, too! Whoa... a bit much there, wasn't it? The one rather well behaved was Megatron. Rather odd, wasn't it?

PG-13 doesn't mean a rampant constant use of bad language. That much language you find in R rated films. And for a Toy line... yes, Hasbro really should be raising a red flag, if not Speilberg, on how much the foul language is used for a movie labeled Transformers. My 6 yr old neice wants to see this and I've major reservations about letting her see this movie until she's at least 10.



~Lady B

[cybercat]

Story that will become relevant in a minute: I teach college. And every once in a while (once a semester, which considering 15 weeks and 5 classes really isn't that often) I occasionally slip. You know, like the time the lectern fell off the table and onto my foot. Owie just wasn't going to cut it. I'm always amused by how *shocked* my students look at hearing naughty language from me. I of course call them on the hypocrisy--these are kids who, out in the hall, can't seem to say one sentence without dropping the f-bomb.

It goes back to why people cuss. In my case, it's normally when something ouchie has happened to me. The young folks do it because they somehow think it makes them sound tough and cool and like they don't care anything about anything. To them, only cool young people who are tough are allowed to use naughty language. Old ladies like me, no way. So when they see movies, they expect the hero to be young, and touch, and 'screw this' and use the naughty words, too. It's audience expectation for the target audience of the movie, which is 18-25 year old men. To them, cussin' is all 'gritty realism'. Watch _In Bruges_ if you don't believe me. Your ears will bleed. (It's a great movie, though).

I know you're going to say, yeah, but it was rated for 13 year olds, and I'm going to say this: Okay, so you're upset with your 15 year old hearing words that I guarantee he's heard (and probably *said*) in the school cafeteria, but you have no problem with the completely gratuitous T&A? I saw a lot of kids in the theater when I saw it, and they were much more uncomfortable with Alice's pantyshot than any naughty language. You can have a fruitful discussion with a kid about why they think the characters in the movie felt the need to use bad language and why that's not appropriate for everyone (that's called, y'know, parenting I guess), but it's a bit harder to write off those shots that let us see that Mikaela Brazilian waxes.

And let's face it? Who drops the f-bomb? Mikaela.

I do understand the complaint--trust me, I say the same thing about gangsta rap. But while music is pretty hard to keep out of your kid's hands (they can always get a copy at school), movies? You can choose not to go. You can walk out and demand your money back. You can write an angry letter to someone actually in the production chain of the movie. Just complaining about it doesn't solve anything. I agree that it's pretty sick that you can't trust a movie not to be laden with nasty words, but let's be real. It's also pretty sick you can't walk down the street without hearing those same words. And they didn't all pick it up from Optimus! It's a societal problem, not just Another Reason to Hate Michael Bay.

HK, there are plenty of valid reasons not to like Bay.

[T-Macksimus]

what i was saying was...
the last time i checked tfs was a movie based on the popular TOY line
and THE ANIMATED series
thats like (lets use ben 10 as an example)
hes been on for awile so old adult fans are likin it(example)
that doesnt mean that cn should make it into a movie with so much cussin just cause older fans like it

ps

i dont think that the parents that bring their kids to(pg-13) a movie care about the
cursing,its just that there was so much cursing
im 16 and i cuss like a sailor,and even i thought there was too much cussing

I noticed less instances of foul language during the 2 1/2 hours of this movie than in 30 mins. of South Park.
Don't, for 1 second, think that I allow my kids to watch SP or Adult Swim either. However, they did see the new Movie but only after I had seen it on opening day and then sent an e-mail to their mother afterwards giving my take on the degree of violence, language and subject matter in general. We then talked it over more one-on-one the next day. I had read the novel, read the reviews both in the paper and online and of course saw the input from folks here. I knew the rating and made an informed decision.
Anybody who deosn't do their homework first get EXACTLY what they deserve. All the tools are out there it's up to people to pull their heads out and use them and make smart choices.

I'm curious about one thing in this thread and that being why is it making this new movie come across like an Andrew Dice Clay movie? How many "F" bombs DID Optimus or the twins drop? How many Cuss words were there cause I only heard an "S" word once, MAYBE twice and aside from the "P" word I can think of maybe a dozen minor words in the whole span. That was NOT every other word and as much as I discourage foul language around my kids, the violence raised more alarms in my head than the language.

[Siren Prime]

The only part where it affected me at all was with the twins.

I know it was part of their characterization and seriously, I knew guys in highschool that say worse things than them, but at times it was over the top.
But I got over it. Made me laugh actually.

It did, however, add to my decision that the 5-7 year old sitting behind me should NOT have been there.

I didn't really notice any swearing from any of the other transformers. Even the Decepticons.
Perhaps Wheelie said something, but I can't recall anything.

It's not like most of the transformers even GOT many speaking parts anyway.
Which sucked.

[pr0wl]

that was OPTIMUS that called someone a
"punk @$% decepticon"?!
i thought that was ironhide
(i know some of you think im an older adult ie creating this thread about tfs cussing and all but im 16)
but my whole life optimus has been all shilverous and goody
2 shoes
i cant believe he out of all tfs cussed
im kinda dissapointed that he cussed

but i guess i'll have to"get over it"
ps
thanx for backin me up older fans
(young fans nowa days)*grumble*
and WHO has TIME to STUDY about a slaggin movie about cartoon robots?!

[Siren Prime]

that was OPTIMUS that called someone a
"punk @$% decepticon"?!

I THOUGHT that was him...
I'll have to go see the film again and listen for it. Or wait for the DVD. Whatever.

Yeah, I perfer Optimus to be "goody two-shoes" too. Morally anyway. I don't care how many bad guys he beats up, but swearing doesn't seem to fit him very well.

But with the stress and irratation at the war continuing to drag on... he's likely freakin' pissed.
Optimus saying the word @$$ isn't really going to appall me, but I agree it doesn't really fit him.

For the twins and some (SOME) of the other Autobots, I don't really care.
It fits for the ROTF twins. They're young. And they're brickering with each other like siblings do. And they're show-offs.

I still don't approve of swearing, but it's not going to bother me.
Because there's not really anything you can do besides watch your own mouth and teach younger people that look up to you (your children for example) that it isn't right.

I'm old enough to know better.
But like I said, the little kid sitting behind me...? Yeah, he should NOT have been there.

[Robinson]

that was OPTIMUS that called someone a
"punk @$% decepticon"?!

No, it was Ironhide that said it.