The Energon Pub

[skywarp-2]

Ok, not sure what to make of what the time senerio is for this movie. I assume that the timeline has Megatron falling to Earth in the past, but what i need to know is how long? I know that Spike's relative falls into a whole in the artic and that somehow Megatron implants something in his glasses?
So how does the time line in this universe work?

Taken from Wickipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers_(fiction)

1. Optimus Prime and Megatron rule Cybertron together

2. Megatron begins a war to fully control the life giving
Allspark.

3. Optimus sends it to another planet to make sure Megatron
does not get his hands on it.

4. Bumblebee, a war hero, is sent to find it though, as its
absence will cause Cybertron to shut down.

5. Megatron comes to Earth to capture the Allspark, but
landing in the Arctic burnt up on entry and lacking
energon causes him to enter stasis-lock.

6. Nineteenth century, Captain Witwicky discovers his body,
and it is taken by Sector 7 and placed in storage.

7. In 1969, Sector 7 has reverse engineered a spaceship named Ghost 1 from Megatron and launch it on the same day as Apollo 11 for distraction.

8. It winds up in a battle between the Autobots and the Decepticons on their stations the Ark and the Nemesis and end up sacrificing their lives helping the Autobots.

9. Learning of Megatron's location, they move ahead to Earth, although Starscream is not too keen on finding Megatron, wanting to keep his position as leader.

10. Soviet forces attempt to steal Megatron but are killed during his brief re-activation.

11. In 2003, Bumblebee arrives on Mars. Travelling to Earth, he avoids Sector 7's agents and locates information on Captain Witwicky.

12. On Mars, the Decepticons arrive and smash the Beagle probe.

Optimus, Megatron and Bumblebee will be in the film, as will Starscream, Jazz, Frenzy, Ironhide, Scorponok, Ratchet, Brawl, Bonecrusher, Barricade and Blackout

Here are my Questions:

Who Created the AllSpark?

Is this a Cybertron planet or A Primus Cybertron planet?

How long did Optimus and Megatron Rule Cybertron together?

Were there any wars or outside invasions that they defended Cybertron against?

When did the War of the Allspark begin?

When did Optimus prime send it (Allspark) to Earth?

How does Bumblebee get around in space? i assume he needs something faster then his comet form, considering the pending shut down of Cybertron due to the loss of Allspark?

What connection would a small energy source and Cybertron have?

When does Megatron leave Cybertron?

Okay, so how long was megatron under the Ice?

How does Megatron implant info on Captain Witwicky's glasses, if he's in stasis Lock?

So Sector 7 launches a ship and ends up in the middle of a Battle Between Autobots and Decepticons on their Space Stations named after the ortiginal war ships?? its because of sector 7 that the decepticons find out where Megatron is? so they hide till they can find him? Where in space did this Battle take place?

Megatron wakes up from Soviet kidnap attempt, but kills soviets?? What year was that? How do they know about sector 7?


ok so Bumblebee lands on Mars, then goes to Earth? How? does he have a space cruiser? Jet pack? his altmode couldn't possibly break Martian Gravity???

The Decepticons break the Beagle probe then come to Earth?? how? do they have a Jet pack or hurl themselves in the air like the Incredible Hulk??

Give me a Break!!! this story and time line seem very convoluted if you ask me.. there is alot of stuff in the continuity that just doesn't add up!!

Confused yet?? me Too!!

[Leonardo]

Are you looking for specific years? I don't think they ever mentioned specific years in the prequel comics, save for the fact that Archibald Witwicky discovered Megatron in 1897. So, Megatron landed some time before that. So other events after Megatron's discovery are dated, but I don't think anything before it is.

[skywarp-2]

Well if I could get specific year that would be great, but how about a general idea of what the time frame was.. and as far as the other questions, I'm still perplexed by them..Some of this stuff is just strange...I hope I can figure out the story after the movie, but again some things are just too open and not explained, like mass space travel, or planet hopping...how do they get off mars.. and if they don't need a space ship, because they turn into a podship...then it must take them years apon years to get around..

[Leonardo]

The movie prequel novel shows that the Autobots make use of the Ark and the Decepticons use the Nemesis, so that explains their space travel. In the prequel comics, Megatron transforms into the now-infamous inter-stellar jet, so he doesn't need the Nemesis (or a craft of any kind).

They get off Mars by transforming into their protoform comet modes. In the prequel comics, Bumblebee seemingly makes it from Cybertron to Earth in comet mode*, so clearly the Decepticons will be able to do the same from Mars to Earth.

As for years, other than what's in the prequel comics and novel, nothing is specified.

*It doesn't really indicate how long this took. Also, in the prequel novel, it appears Bumblebee has a rendez-vous with his fellow Autobots aboard the Ark, so maybe he recharges there (thus explaining how he can travel so far in protoform comet mode). However, since the prequel comics never mention the Ark, it seems like Bumblebee can just travel from Cybertron to Earth in comet mode with little interruption.

[PRiMESDESTiNY]

"How does Megatron implant info on Captain Witwicky's glasses, if he's in stasis Lock?"



When Sam's great grandfather discovered Megs, by accident or unknowingly, he somehow triggered something in Megs which branded the location of the "all spark" here on earth into his glasses.

[Loki120]

Okay, forget about Mars. That was just a teaser trailer and it's been stated numerous times that neither Mars nor the Beagel probe will be involved in the movie. Maybe that will clear up some stuff for you.

[skywarp-2]

Ok so does that mean that the information in the prequel materials are not applicable as far as continuity goes? There must be a bit about Mars in order for Wikipedia to comment on the Deceptions landing there and the hop from there that Bumblebee does..?? So does that mean that Michael Bay and Stephen Spielberg have to sanction new material or prequel Material for it to exist, remember George Lucas said that anything outside of his movies or sanctioned by his production company was not in continuity.. which pissed fans off completely.. are we looking at the same situation here?

Now what i was thinking is that if Bumblebee does arrive at the Ark as a Pit stop he must have grabbed a booster to allow him to jump from Mars to Earth, cause as it is a single podship wouldn't make it through the Atmosphere..realistically..his altmode couldn't possibly break Martian Gravity???

This other part bothers me..

So Sector 7 launches a ship and ends up in the middle of a Battle Between Autobots and Decepticons on their Space Stations named after the original war ships?? its because of sector 7 that the Decepticons find out where Megatron is? so they hide till they can find him? Where in space did this Battle take place?

Megatron wakes up from Soviet kidnap attempt, but kills soviets?? What year was that? How do they know about sector 7?

But what would be cool, is to show a kinda, aliens the movie version of astronauts in space, landing on a derelict Ark, or seeing the remains of a devastated Nemesis, and finding what were remains of Autobots and Decepticons from battle, and some how they trigger the revival of Starscream and company who leave and head towards Earth to find Megatron.

that would explain that whole scenario..

then I assume an asteroid jostles the ship and the Autobots wake up, and make way for Earth bringing us to the movie..

its still a mystery..

Or show an opening in the sequel with the Russians infiltration of the sector 7 base, and that whole thing..more humans for Bay to direct..

[First Gen]

Here are my Questions:

Who Created the AllSpark? "No one knows where the Allspark came from, and seemingly in reverent respect of the life giving force, few have tried to quantify its existence."

Is this a Cybertron planet or A Primus Cybertron planet? With the Allspark being the all giving life, Im going with the former.

How long did Optimus and Megatron Rule Cybertron together? For many generations before Bumblebee and part of his generation.

Were there any wars or outside invasions that they defended Cybertron against? No. It stated in the IDW prequel that the Cybertronians knew only peace in the "beneficial reign of Optimus Prime and Lord High Protector Megatron".

When did the War of the Allspark begin? Sometime during Bumblebees lifetime. It obviously took a long while for it to happen for Megatron to form an army.

When did Optimus prime send it (Allspark) to Earth? During the battle of Tyger Pax, when Bumblebee and Arcee were fighting off Swindle and the droids.

How does Bumblebee get around in space? i assume he needs something faster then his comet form, considering the pending shut down of Cybertron due to the loss of Allspark? Again, as we speculated before, the cometary mode is only for short distances, so he must have been on the Ark.

What connection would a small energy source and Cybertron have? The Allspark created Cybertron, so they must be intertwined somehow.

When does Megatron leave Cybertron? Immediately following the Battle of Tyger Pax, after he destroys Bumblebees voice emitter.

Okay, so how long was megatron under the Ice? Im going for thousands of years on this one. Remember, in Ghosts of Yesterday, the Decepticons complain of following Starscream for thousands of years through space with no luck of finding Megatron.

How does Megatron implant info on Captain Witwicky's glasses, if he's in stasis Lock? Stasis lock yes, but his life force is still emitting a signal, which the Decepticons were using to locate him and the Allspark. Capt. W probably looked directly into his spark through his optics and saw what Megatron saw.

So Sector 7 launches a ship and ends up in the middle of a Battle Between Autobots and Decepticons on their Space Stations named after the ortiginal war ships?? Yes. its because of sector 7 that the decepticons find out where Megatron is? Yes. so they hide till they can find him? Yes. Where in space did this Battle take place? Just past Pluto on the outskirts of the Milky Way.

Megatron wakes up from Soviet kidnap attempt, but kills soviets?? He killed everything he saw. What year was that? 1969, it happened as Ghost 1 was still in space. How do they know about sector 7? KGB.


ok so Bumblebee lands on Mars, then goes to Earth? No knowm mention of Bumblebee on Mars. How? does he have a space cruiser? Jet pack? his altmode couldn't possibly break Martian Gravity???

The Decepticons break the Beagle probe then come to Earth?? how? Dont know. do they have a Jet pack or hurl themselves in the air like the Incredible Hulk?? Im guessing self propulsion systems capable of short space travel.

[Leonardo]

I don't know about the book, but the prequel comics do explicitly state that they are "official", so that, to me, would suggest they are canonical as far as movie continuity goes. Consequently, the mars segment, which is featured in the comics, must be part of the storyline. Sector 7 know he landed on Mars, because they have a photographic image of him (from the Beagle, I think).

[skywarp-2]

Here are my Questions:

Who Created the AllSpark? "No one knows where the Allspark came from, and seemingly in reverent respect of the life giving force, few have tried to quantify its existence."

Is this a Cybertron planet or A Primus Cybertron planet? With the Allspark being the all giving life, Im going with the former.

How long did Optimus and Megatron Rule Cybertron together? For many generations before Bumblebee and part of his generation.

Were there any wars or outside invasions that they defended Cybertron against? No. It stated in the IDW prequel that the Cybertronians knew only peace in the "beneficial reign of Optimus Prime and Lord High Protector Megatron".

When did the War of the Allspark begin? Sometime during Bumblebees lifetime. It obviously took a long while for it to happen for Megatron to form an army.

When did Optimus prime send it (Allspark) to Earth? During the battle of Tyger Pax, when Bumblebee and Arcee were fighting off Swindle and the droids.

How does Bumblebee get around in space? i assume he needs something faster then his comet form, considering the pending shut down of Cybertron due to the loss of Allspark? Again, as we speculated before, the cometary mode is only for short distances, so he must have been on the Ark.

What connection would a small energy source and Cybertron have? The Allspark created Cybertron, so they must be intertwined somehow.

When does Megatron leave Cybertron? Immediately following the Battle of Tyger Pax, after he destroys Bumblebees voice emitter.

Okay, so how long was megatron under the Ice? Im going for thousands of years on this one. Remember, in Ghosts of Yesterday, the Decepticons complain of following Starscream for thousands of years through space with no luck of finding Megatron.

How does Megatron implant info on Captain Witwicky's glasses, if he's in stasis Lock? Stasis lock yes, but his life force is still emitting a signal, which the Decepticons were using to locate him and the Allspark. Capt. W probably looked directly into his spark through his optics and saw what Megatron saw.

So Sector 7 launches a ship and ends up in the middle of a Battle Between Autobots and Decepticons on their Space Stations named after the ortiginal war ships?? Yes. its because of sector 7 that the decepticons find out where Megatron is? Yes. so they hide till they can find him? Yes. Where in space did this Battle take place? Just past Pluto on the outskirts of the Milky Way.

Megatron wakes up from Soviet kidnap attempt, but kills soviets?? He killed everything he saw. What year was that? 1969, it happened as Ghost 1 was still in space. How do they know about sector 7? KGB.


ok so Bumblebee lands on Mars, then goes to Earth? No knowm mention of Bumblebee on Mars. How? does he have a space cruiser? Jet pack? his altmode couldn't possibly break Martian Gravity???

The Decepticons break the Beagle probe then come to Earth?? how? Dont know. do they have a Jet pack or hurl themselves in the air like the Incredible Hulk?? Im guessing self propulsion systems capable of short space travel.

Awesome, THANKS FOR HOOKING ME UP First gen!!

[First Gen]

Here are my Questions:

Who Created the AllSpark? "No one knows where the Allspark came from, and seemingly in reverent respect of the life giving force, few have tried to quantify its existence."

Is this a Cybertron planet or A Primus Cybertron planet? With the Allspark being the all giving life, Im going with the former.

How long did Optimus and Megatron Rule Cybertron together? For many generations before Bumblebee and part of his generation.

Were there any wars or outside invasions that they defended Cybertron against? No. It stated in the IDW prequel that the Cybertronians knew only peace in the "beneficial reign of Optimus Prime and Lord High Protector Megatron".

When did the War of the Allspark begin? Sometime during Bumblebees lifetime. It obviously took a long while for it to happen for Megatron to form an army.

When did Optimus prime send it (Allspark) to Earth? During the battle of Tyger Pax, when Bumblebee and Arcee were fighting off Swindle and the droids.

How does Bumblebee get around in space? i assume he needs something faster then his comet form, considering the pending shut down of Cybertron due to the loss of Allspark? Again, as we speculated before, the cometary mode is only for short distances, so he must have been on the Ark.

What connection would a small energy source and Cybertron have? The Allspark created Cybertron, so they must be intertwined somehow.

When does Megatron leave Cybertron? Immediately following the Battle of Tyger Pax, after he destroys Bumblebees voice emitter.

Okay, so how long was megatron under the Ice? Im going for thousands of years on this one. Remember, in Ghosts of Yesterday, the Decepticons complain of following Starscream for thousands of years through space with no luck of finding Megatron.

How does Megatron implant info on Captain Witwicky's glasses, if he's in stasis Lock? Stasis lock yes, but his life force is still emitting a signal, which the Decepticons were using to locate him and the Allspark. Capt. W probably looked directly into his spark through his optics and saw what Megatron saw.

So Sector 7 launches a ship and ends up in the middle of a Battle Between Autobots and Decepticons on their Space Stations named after the ortiginal war ships?? Yes. its because of sector 7 that the decepticons find out where Megatron is? Yes. so they hide till they can find him? Yes. Where in space did this Battle take place? Just past Pluto on the outskirts of the Milky Way.

Megatron wakes up from Soviet kidnap attempt, but kills soviets?? He killed everything he saw. What year was that? 1969, it happened as Ghost 1 was still in space. How do they know about sector 7? KGB.


ok so Bumblebee lands on Mars, then goes to Earth? No knowm mention of Bumblebee on Mars. How? does he have a space cruiser? Jet pack? his altmode couldn't possibly break Martian Gravity???

The Decepticons break the Beagle probe then come to Earth?? how? Dont know. do they have a Jet pack or hurl themselves in the air like the Incredible Hulk?? Im guessing self propulsion systems capable of short space travel.

Awesome, THANKS FOR HOOKING ME UP First gen!!

Im the WIKIPEDIA of useless information my man. lol

[skywarp-2]

I don't know about the book, but the prequel comics do explicitly state that they are "official", so that, to me, would suggest they are canonical as far as movie continuity goes. Consequently, the mars segment, which is featured in the comics, must be part of the storyline. Sector 7 know he landed on Mars, because they have a photographic image of him (from the Beagle, I think).

hmmmmm.... So one thing I want to know is, how the battle on the Ark and the Nemesis in space looked, and when the sector 7 Astronauts arrived, what was their sacrifice that lead to the Autobots aide and help in locating the allspark..

Lets see the prequel stuff in the beginning of the sequel movie as a kind of after thought, like LOTR had with the war of the ring..that would be nice Mr. Michael Bay..

[First Gen]

I don't know about the book, but the prequel comics do explicitly state that they are "official", so that, to me, would suggest they are canonical as far as movie continuity goes. Consequently, the mars segment, which is featured in the comics, must be part of the storyline. Sector 7 know he landed on Mars, because they have a photographic image of him (from the Beagle, I think).

hmmmmm.... So one thing I want to know is, how the battle on the Ark and the Nemesis in space looked, and when the sector 7 Astronauts arrived, what was their sacrifice that lead to the Autobots aide and help in locating the allspark..

Lets see the prequel stuff in the beginning of the sequel movie as a kind of after thought, like LOTR had with the war of the ring..that would be nice Mr. Michael Bay..

Yeah, hopefully it will all tie in somehow. It makes absolute sense in the grand scheme of things, like why Optimus is so dead set on protecting human life even though it threatens the Autobots.

Sector 7 brought upon this. Its mans greatest folly, that which we try to supress only leads to destroy us.

[St. Even]

I don't know about the book, but the prequel comics do explicitly state that they are "official", so that, to me, would suggest they are canonical as far as movie continuity goes. Consequently, the mars segment, which is featured in the comics, must be part of the storyline. Sector 7 know he landed on Mars, because they have a photographic image of him (from the Beagle, I think).

hmmmmm.... So one thing I want to know is, how the battle on the Ark and the Nemesis in space looked, and when the sector 7 Astronauts arrived, what was their sacrifice that lead to the Autobots aide and help in locating the allspark..

Lets see the prequel stuff in the beginning of the sequel movie as a kind of after thought, like LOTR had with the war of the ring..that would be nice Mr. Michael Bay..

I have not read the book (Ghosts), but I have read a synopsis of it. According to the synopsis, Sector 7 launched a rocket in 1969. This rocket was created from parts that were reversed engineered from Megatron. The ship has strange quasi warp drive (this was a fuzzy part of the synopsis). The ship warps and is lost to Sector 7 for a while. When the ship comes out of warp it is “near” the Decepticons. The ‘Cons pick up on an electronic signature that is similar to Megatron’s and head to its location. There they find the rocket . . .

[St. Even]

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Well, according to the game, Megatron has been in the ice for centuries.

[skywarp-2]

that would be the end all be all is if they some how got into this little tidbit in further detail in the sequel ..what I would love to see is how they explain the Matrix?? No one has seen anything on that yet for this movie..does this prime carry a Matrix chamber..??

Also i still think Teletran One should be the focus of the next Transformers movie, and the fact that its a super computer capable of wreaking unimaginable horror on Earthlings and cyberspace.. not to mention becoming a "skynet" s to speak and launching the worlds Nuclear arsenal and dooming Mankind so that megatron can leverage the Allspark..

Not to mention it would so tie in to G1 on many levels..

Crash the Ark in the desert outside of Utah.. close to California, have the decepticons and Autobots fighting over Teletran, the US/sector 7 guys fighting for teletran, and spike and autobots caught in the middle.. meanwhile Nemesis without a power source and damaged falls into the ocean, unseen due to decepticon cloaking technology.. or something like anti radar gear built into the metal.. this becomes very close to g-1 without the million year dormant factor, except megatron..

[First Gen]

that would be the end all be all is if they some how got into this little tidbit in further detail in the sequel ..what I would love to see is how they explain the Matrix?? No one has seen anything on that yet for this movie..does this prime carry a Matrix chamber..??

Also i still think Teletran One should be the focus of the next Transformers movie, and the fact that its a super computer capable of wreaking unimaginable horror on Earthlings and cyberspace.. not to mention becoming a "skynet" s to speak and launching the worlds Nuclear arsenal and dooming Mankind so that megatron can leverage the Allspark..

Not to mention it would so tie in to G1 on many levels..

Crash the Ark in the desert outside of Utah.. close to California, have the decepticons and Autobots fighting over Teletran, the US/sector 7 guys fighting for teletran, and spike and autobots caught in the middle.. meanwhile Nemesis without a power source and damaged falls into the ocean, unseen due to decepticon cloaking technology.. or something like anti radar gear built into the metal.. this becomes very close to g-1 without the million year dormant factor, except megatron..

Everything you said is ultra cool, but considering Bay will probably do the sequel due to the ridiculous success the first movie WILL become, that won't happen.

The Matrix is kinda mute in this storyline due to the Allsparks capabilities. I believe they just stayed away from the term Matrix altogether due to the trilogy named after it. The first time I heard the title of the movie the Matrix I thought it was a live action TF movie. lol

But I say start writing the script and I'll see what I can do Warp.

[skywarp-2]

Well i think that time lines for this movie are still very wierd, but as I have indicated in earlier discussions, the movie studio still has a way to make this movie closer to the G-1 mythos in many ways.. I just hope they decide to do it.. so lets do a recap shall we..

Millions of years ago Cybertron was ruled by Optimus prime and Megatron..

They guarded the Allspark and peace reigned supreme, but the Allspark has a "One ring to rule them all effect" on Megatron and he goes bonkers, start amassing troups and sets up the war on Cybertron..

The Allspark is rocketed away from Cybertron like Superman from Krypton to Earth...

Megatron follow suite because he is a Big transwarp Cybertronian Star-Jet..He crashes on Earth and falls beneath the Ice...where he goes into Stasis lock.. but he had discovered where the Allspark was by scanning the earth before he fell into the arctic due to loss of Energon..because of his obsession..

soon after Megatron Left, bumblebee was sent to also find the Allspark and guard it from megatron, and bring it safely back to Cybertron before Cybertron dies..

( this plot line makes no sense???why send it if you know the planets gonna die.. ?? and you know Megatron can go after it??)

during this period of Megatron's absense, Starscream leads the Decepticons in Battle against Prime and his Autobot warriors, whom both set out in Starships labeled Ark and Nemesis after the orginal ships..

In the 1800s Spike's Great Grandfather found Megatron in the Ice on an expedition, and his glasses were imprinted by a laser that showed the location of the Allspark, and Sector 7 was formed...

Sector 7 in 1969 had successfully reverse engineered megatron enough to create a Spaceship, which was secretly launched during the Mars Beagle Probe..

the Sector 7 guys found the Autobots and Decepticon Battling on the outskirts of our solar system..just past Pluto..SS and Co.. scanned the ship and saw Megatron type technology.. so they knew where to find him.. some battle took place and the humans from sector 7 sacrificed their lives to help the Autobots...

1969, Bumblebee lands on mars , scans Earth and then hops down to Earth..

2003 the Decepticons land on Mars and destroy the Beagle Probe, which catches a glimpse of them, and this sets Sector 7 on alert..which warns them..

(this totally makes the opening from the movie trailer, "they came without warning" slogan null and void???) I was never fond of that slogan any way , too much like ID4...


So then the Autobots land in 2007 and the war for the Allspark resumes..with spike being chased by the Decepticons for the glasses that give the secret where abouts of the Allspark... is that how it goes??

I am still not fond of what they are trying to convey here.. because the plot line seems kinda weak with why the Allspark was sent away and why its a moot point considering Megatron still found it..and now Cybertron is dying or dead because of it..geez, logic is not present in the plot lines or something..

[Leonardo]

Where did you get the idea that if they send the Allspark away Cybertron will die? Was that in the comics?

"They came without warning" makes sense if you consider the fact that they didn't try to communicate with us prior to destroying our property (the Beagle). Also, even though Sector 7 knew of the impending arrival of the TF's, the general public didn't, and the trailer even suggests that the Secretary of State is unware of their existence until he is taken to the Hoover Dam.

[skywarp-2]

Where did you get the idea that if they send the Allspark away Cybertron will die? Was that in the comics?

"They came without warning" makes sense if you consider the fact that they didn't try to communicate with us prior to destroying our property (the Beagle). Also, even though Sector 7 knew of the impending arrival of the TF's, the general public didn't, and the trailer even suggests that the Secretary of State is unaware of their existence until he is taken to the Hoover Dam.

I think that it was in the comics, I remember seeing it somewhere that the Allspark is what gives life and was what was keeping cybertron healthy..

I do see your point on the "came without warning side" though i still think there are things that just don't add up..I can't wait till they do a Transformers encyclopedia like in the Star Wars books, and cutaway books showing the bots and their insides as well as various info on Cybertron, ect...