The Energon Pub

[dinogeist]

It would be awesome to have a comic or cartoon series based on the Generations characters, even if a lot of them are G1 rehashes.

FWIW,Both Dreamwave & IDW comics do try their hardest & best to sometimes copy TF toy designs from various Hasbro/Takara TF toy lines & put those toy designs in their comics.

IDW's TF comics sometimes copy the following TF toy designs & translate them in comic art form: Masterpieces,Classics,WFC,RTS,HFTD.

Examples: (1) Dreamwave's & IDW's TF comics both took the masterpiece optimus prime toy & translated it into comic art form. (2) IDW's TF comics is always going back & forth using some classics/generations/RTS toy designs & translating them into comic art form. (3)The IDW Drift mini series comic,Used the HFTD Lockdown toy design & translated it into comic art form. (4) IDW's january 11,2012 TF comic issue MTMTE #1,is using the Classics WFC Bumblebee toy design & translating it into comic art form.

[dinogeist]

I still don't have a movie-verse Megatron so a nice leader DOTM on would be nice.

IMHO,Their is clearly 2 movie-verse leader sized megatron toys already available from the 2007 movie & the ROTF movie. I don't think a 3rd one is needed.

If I had to select TF characters to get the movie-verse leader sized toy treatment,it would be as follows: (1)Tripple changer Blitzwing,a leader sized non-movie character. (2) those CGI renders of ROTF tidalwave translated into a leader sized movie-verse toy form.
(3)Leader sized movie-verse Blackout,please just don't have the entire alt mode be the robot backpack like the voyager sized toy has.

Shockwave needs the leader treatment as well IMO.

I agree but,IMHO,not the Ugly Dotm CGI shockwave movie designs.

IMHO,If their is any leader sized shockwave toy made by Hasbro/Takara. I want it to look like the 1985 shockwave media/toy designs as much as possible in both modes,with the space laser gun alt mode. I'd love to see a leader sized masterpiece Shockwave toy. I'd love to see a Classics/Generations styled leader sized Shockwave toy that looks like the media/cartoon 1985 shockwave designs with the space laser gun alt mode.

[Rodimus Prime]

I still don't have a movie-verse Megatron so a nice leader DOTM on would be nice.

IMHO,Their is clearly 2 movie-verse leader sized megatron toys already available from the 2007 movie & the ROTF movie. I don't think a 3rd one is needed.

It's a different design. They made a Leader toy for the first 2, why wouldn't they for the best one? You're in the very small minority, if not by yourself, who don't want one. But, it's your choice to think so.

If I had to select TF characters to get the movie-verse leader sized toy treatment,it would be as follows: (1)Triple changer Blitzwing,a leader sized non-movie character. (2) those CGI renders of ROTF Tidal Wave translated into a leader sized movie-verse toy form.
(3)Leader sized movie-verse Blackout, please just don't have the entire alt mode be the robot backpack like the voyager sized toy has.

I would love to see a Masterpiece Blitzwing, if he gets actual feet. The G1 toy's feet were...dumb. A Tidal Wave for the movies would have been cool as well, and I agree with Blackout's kibble, though I think with a larger sized figure the mass would be more evenly distributed, so it wouldn't be such a big problem.

Shockwave needs the leader treatment as well IMO.

I agree but,IMHO,not the Ugly Dotm CGI shockwave movie designs.

IMHO,If their is any leader sized shockwave toy made by Hasbro/Takara. I want it to look like the 1985 shockwave media/toy designs as much as possible in both modes,with the space laser gun alt mode. I'd love to see a leader sized masterpiece Shockwave toy. I'd love to see a Classics/Generations styled leader sized Shockwave toy that looks like the media/cartoon 1985 shockwave designs with the space laser gun alt mode.

I don't care for a DotM leader Shockwave either, but not because of looks, instead because his character doesn't warrant it. He just wasn't that important. I wish he had been, but the writer screwed it up. I do believe that the original G1 toy is a perfect representation. He's large enough, accurate in both modes, and is in scale with other G1 leaders, except the original Megatron and Optimus. But he's in scale with Scorponok and PM Prime. He should be left alone.

[gavinfuzzy]

I still don't have a movie-verse Megatron so a nice leader DOTM on would be nice.

IMHO,Their is clearly 2 movie-verse leader sized megatron toys already available from the 2007 movie & the ROTF movie. I don't think a 3rd one is needed.

If I had to select TF characters to get the movie-verse leader sized toy treatment,it would be as follows: (1)Tripple changer Blitzwing,a leader sized non-movie character. (2) those CGI renders of ROTF tidalwave translated into a leader sized movie-verse toy form.
(3)Leader sized movie-verse Blackout,please just don't have the entire alt mode be the robot backpack like the voyager sized toy has.

Again, you said "I".

All these are your personal opinions and they may differ from person to person. I personally would want a DOTM leader megs. Well there's no point in debating whether one should be made, as we all have different opinions.

If it is made, just don't buy it if you don't like it

[Mykltron]

I damned well want a leader Megatron cos I like big TFs. The voyager one is a bit crap (poor shoulder articulation, too skinny, wrong weapon). I want them to put as much effort in to that as they did with RotFL buster and voyager Primes. They've done piss-poor jobs on leader Megatrons so far so it's about time they did it right.

[dinogeist]

I still don't have a movie-verse Megatron so a nice leader DOTM on would be nice.

IMHO,Their is clearly 2 movie-verse leader sized megatron toys already available from the 2007 movie & the ROTF movie. I don't think a 3rd one is needed.

If I had to select TF characters to get the movie-verse leader sized toy treatment,it would be as follows: (1)Tripple changer Blitzwing,a leader sized non-movie character. (2) those CGI renders of ROTF tidalwave translated into a leader sized movie-verse toy form.
(3)Leader sized movie-verse Blackout,please just don't have the entire alt mode be the robot backpack like the voyager sized toy has.

Again, you said "I".

All these are your personal opinions and they may differ from person to person. I personally would want a DOTM leader megs. Well there's no point in debating whether one should be made, as we all have different opinions.

If it is made, just don't buy it if you don't like it

it's not as simple as,"don't like,then don't buy."

because if hasbro creates 2 new mold leaders in 2012 for DOTM Megatron & shockwave. this will steal away valuable leader sized toy slots in 2012 for TF Prime. we might not get any leader sized new molds for tf prime in 2012 because of 2012 leader sized megatron & shockwave.

as some know,the bigger sized TF toys cost more to create,are more complicated/harder to create. takes more talent+artist+man power to create. THEIR IS NO WAY HASBRO WILL BE ABLE TO RELEASE 4 OR 5 NEW MOLD LEADER SIZED TF TOYS IN 2012.

I'm tired of the movie-verse toy line. I want it to end ASAP. I have given up hope of receiving decent new mold movie verse toys. IMHO,The Dotm toy line was the most inferior of movie-verse toy lines. i don't want another year in 2012 ruined by awful/inferior Dotm new toy molds.

I want the TF Prime & generations 2012 toy lines to be as awesome as possible. I want to see 2 or 3 new mold leaders in the 2012 TF Prime toy line. with one supreme 2012 toy in 2012 for the TF prime toy line.

I want to see voyager new molds return in 2012 for the generations toy line. I want to see a 2012 leader sized generation toy mold.

[Burn]

it's not as simple as,"don't like,then don't buy."

Yeah, it is. Just because YOU, in YOUR HUMBLE OPINION don't want a Leader Classed Megatron and Shockwave doesn't mean others should be deprived.

You don't like it? You don't buy it. A mold you don't like gets produced that stops the potential production of a mold you do like ... well you know ... save your money and spend it on something else.

Everyone has their wish list, most of us will never see it fulfilled.

This is of course, all IMHO ...

[alexison]

I still don't have a movie-verse Megatron so a nice leader DOTM on would be nice.

IMHO,Their is clearly 2 movie-verse leader sized megatron toys already available from the 2007 movie & the ROTF movie. I don't think a 3rd one is needed.

If I had to select TF characters to get the movie-verse leader sized toy treatment,it would be as follows: (1)Tripple changer Blitzwing,a leader sized non-movie character. (2) those CGI renders of ROTF tidalwave translated into a leader sized movie-verse toy form.
(3)Leader sized movie-verse Blackout,please just don't have the entire alt mode be the robot backpack like the voyager sized toy has.

Shockwave needs the leader treatment as well IMO.

I agree but,IMHO,not the Ugly Dotm CGI shockwave movie designs.

IMHO,If their is any leader sized shockwave toy made by Hasbro/Takara. I want it to look like the 1985 shockwave media/toy designs as much as possible in both modes,with the space laser gun alt mode. I'd love to see a leader sized masterpiece Shockwave toy. I'd love to see a Classics/Generations styled leader sized Shockwave toy that looks like the media/cartoon 1985 shockwave designs with the space laser gun alt mode.

If I recall correctly, the title of this thread asked if there was a demand for a DOTM Leaser Class Megatron & Shockwave. So, to put it as simple as I can, yes. As you stated, there are two previous leader Megatron molds. Both molds have serious flaws IMO and the DOTM Megatron differs from the previous two incarnations greatly.

In regards to Shockwave, yeah I'd like one for him as well. He didn't do much in the movie but I'd like it just for scale and bc the voyager had monkey arms.

I'm sure a lot of folks would agree with you on your thoughts about classics style figures including Shockwave. This thread just isn't about classics.

[Rodimus Prime]

it's not as simple as,"don't like,then don't buy."

Yeah, it is. It's the basis of capitalism. Freedom of choice among options for products.

As for Generations Leader toys, it'll never happen. Voyager? Maybe. But I doubt it, as if Hasbro planned it, it would have happened by now.

Leader (or Supreme) Class Dark of the Moon Megatron FTW.

[Slashercon]

Tidalwave doesn't seem to get the memo: WE DON'T ALWAYS GET WHAT WE WANT!!! This may sound hypercritical coming from a kid who wants DOTM leader class versions of Megatron and Shockwave, but really? Alot of fans want leader class version of the Dotm Shockwave because of how he looks and of how great in scale he could be compared to other leader sized decepticons. (Megatron, Starscream, Brawl etc.) As for Megatron, his design in DOTM (while I think is inferior to his ROTF design a little) is fantastic amongst movie verse standards. And I know the majority of movie verse collectors (known to me at least) would jump at the chance to get a leader sized DOTM Megatron that was in scale with a leader sized Optimus Prime. (It wouldn't feel right if I said I don't want a leader sized Tidal Wave figure, because I don't. ) Then again, the chances of that happening are FAR LOWER than the chances of us getting leader sized versions of our favorite decepticons leader and assassin. And have ye a little faith in Hasbro. We may in fact get leader sized figures for TF Prime. (Generations line is OBVIOUSLY a different story.)

[Delicon]

Yeah, it is. It's the basis of capitalism. Freedom of choice among options for products.

As for Generations Leader toys, it'll never happen. Voyager? Maybe. But I doubt it, as if Hasbro planned it, it would have happened by now.

You're going to have to jog my memory a bit, but as I recall the Voyager versions of the Classics toys sold quite well. Universe not as well but they also did more fringe characters for those or did odd picks size-wise (Powerglide) I think if you pumped out say, a Voyager Shockwave or Soundwave people would go nuts buying those.

[Rodimus Prime]

Yeah, it is. It's the basis of capitalism. Freedom of choice among options for products.

As for Generations Leader toys, it'll never happen. Voyager? Maybe. But I doubt it, as if Hasbro planned it, it would have happened by now.

You're going to have to jog my memory a bit, but as I recall the Voyager versions of the Classics toys sold quite well. Universe not as well but they also did more fringe characters for those or did odd picks size-wise (Powerglide) I think if you pumped out say, a Voyager Shockwave or Soundwave people would go nuts buying those.

I don't know about the Classics or Universe, I was speaking of Generations only. I know they're pretty much the same, but since the packaging has been labeled "Generations" there have been only deluxe size figures. I do agree that a Soundwave and Shockwave Voyagers would sell quite well.

[Erailea]

it's not as simple as,"don't like,then don't buy."
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THEIR IS NO WAY HASBRO WILL BE ABLE TO RELEASE 4 OR 5 NEW MOLD LEADER SIZED TF TOYS IN 2012.

1) yes, it's really that simple.

2) Are you forgetting we had Leader Sentinel, Bee, Ironhide and Ultimate Optimus? That's 4 really big molds right there. And that's JUST the movie line. 2011 didn't have much beyond DOTM. Generations was scattered a little in there but they've never seen any size but deluxe. 2011 WAS the year of movie-verse. 2012 has movie-verse AND Prime.

So, really, we will see leader figures of the Prime line as long as Hasbro deems they will sell, regardless of if they make movie-verse leader Megatron and Shockwave. As it is, Animated got 3 Leader figures and every movie has had at least 2. If they continue to hold true to that pattern we are gaunteed a few for Prime as well.

[dinogeist]

it's not as simple as,"don't like,then don't buy."
...

THEIR IS NO WAY HASBRO WILL BE ABLE TO RELEASE 4 OR 5 NEW MOLD LEADER SIZED TF TOYS IN 2012.

1) yes, it's really that simple.

2) Are you forgetting we had Leader Sentinel, Bee, Ironhide and Ultimate Optimus? That's 4 really big molds right there. And that's JUST the movie line. 2011 didn't have much beyond DOTM. Generations was scattered a little in there but they've never seen any size but deluxe. 2011 WAS the year of movie-verse. 2012 has movie-verse AND Prime.

So, really, we will see leader figures of the Prime line as long as Hasbro deems they will sell, regardless of if they make movie-verse leader Megatron and Shockwave. As it is, Animated got 3 Leader figures and every movie has had at least 2. If they continue to hold true to that pattern we are gaunteed a few for Prime as well.

when hasbro released the Animated toys,it was the year 2008. their was no new mold movie verse leader sized toys being released in 2008.

Hasbro/takara simply do not have money in the budget nor resources to create two dotm leader sized toys in 2012,then create two to three TF Prime leader sized toys in 2012. SOMETHING HAS TO GIVE & NOT GET MADE,IT'S EITHER NO DOTM 2012 LEADER SIZED TOYS IN 2012 OR NO TF PRIME LEADER SIZED TOYS IN 2012. WE AIN'T GONNA GET BOTH,THE MONEY IN THE YEARLY TF BUDGET & RESOURCES ARE NOT THEIR TO CREATE 4 OR 5 NEW MOLD TF TOY LEADER SIZED TOYS IN 2012.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

it's not as simple as,"don't like,then don't buy."
...

THEIR IS NO WAY HASBRO WILL BE ABLE TO RELEASE 4 OR 5 NEW MOLD LEADER SIZED TF TOYS IN 2012.

1) yes, it's really that simple.

2) Are you forgetting we had Leader Sentinel, Bee, Ironhide and Ultimate Optimus? That's 4 really big molds right there. And that's JUST the movie line. 2011 didn't have much beyond DOTM. Generations was scattered a little in there but they've never seen any size but deluxe. 2011 WAS the year of movie-verse. 2012 has movie-verse AND Prime.

So, really, we will see leader figures of the Prime line as long as Hasbro deems they will sell, regardless of if they make movie-verse leader Megatron and Shockwave. As it is, Animated got 3 Leader figures and every movie has had at least 2. If they continue to hold true to that pattern we are gaunteed a few for Prime as well.

when hasbro released the Animated toys,it was the year 2008. their was no new mold movie verse leader sized toys being released in 2008.

That's a big duh: no movie line until RotF in 2009, as 2008/2009 was Universe 2008 and Animated

You are right about toy line budgets, but which toy line will take higher priority remains to be seen. It's quite possible the Movie Trilogy line will be used to round up any loose ends toy-wise, while Prime will only have the sufficient Deluxe and Voyager Classes. Let's count how many we did get per toy line year:

Movie (2007-2008): 3 Leaders, 1 Ultimate
Animated (2008-2009): 3 Leaders, 1 Ultimate
Universe (2008-2009): 0 Leaders
Revenge of the Fallen (2009-2010): 3 Leaders, 1 Supreme Combiner, 1 Ultimate retool
Transformers (2010-2011): 2 Leaders (1 retool)
Dark of the Moon (2011): 3 Leaders, 1 Ultimate

So 3 Leaders a year seem to remain the constant.

[DISCHARGE]

They should just make every toy in every line Leader Class, then we wouldn't have to be split about thins and that and we wouldn't go to sleep crying every night.

[Blurrz]

So you know exactly how much money Hasbro has in their budget? Please tell me, I'd love to be informed.

[Burn]

Hasbro/takara simply do not have money in the budget nor resources to create two dotm leader sized toys in 2012,then create two to three TF Prime leader sized toys in 2012.

So you know exactly how much money Hasbro has in their budget? Please tell me, I'd love to be informed.

This ...

Or is it more of your "humble opinion" deathy?

'cause if it's not, and you've got inside information that Blurrz doesn't have ... well ... he knows where you live so you might want to start sharing as he doesn't like being left out of the loop.

[alternator77]

im sorry but i kind of like it the way it is really.
if they had done larger size classes do you really think we would have seen wreck gar,kup,scourge,warpath,wfc figs,black shadow,thunderwing, g2 prime,perceptor,tracks blurr,wheeljack, drift,junkheap, darkmount i know im missing some here but you get the point.
not to mention grapple,seaspray,deepdive,lugnut etc...

regardless of their budget we got a crap load of figures and we dont get leaders in prime no biggie for me.what i really want is a leader megatron nothing more or less.
the classics line will continue in some form or another and i for one prefer smaller figures that keep the line going than a few big ones that could potentially be duds and end the line alltogether.

and for the record if your asking for opinions you dont need to answer every response with a tit for tat mentality. it gets pretty old after a while.

[dinogeist]

Hasbro/takara simply do not have money in the budget nor resources to create two dotm leader sized toys in 2012,then create two to three TF Prime leader sized toys in 2012.

So you know exactly how much money Hasbro has in their budget? Please tell me, I'd love to be informed.

This ...

Or is it more of your "humble opinion" deathy?

'cause if it's not, and you've got inside information that Blurrz doesn't have ... well ... he knows where you live so you might want to start sharing as he doesn't like being left out of the loop.

No I don't have any official sources,everything I wrote in this thread is guesses & speculations based off past previous years TF toy lines leader sized toys releases. for the most part from the TF toy lines years 2003 to 2011,we only got 2 to 3 new mold leader sized TF toys per year. WITH THE WAY THE ECONOMY IS SPIRALLING DOWNWARD IN AMERICA WITH EVERY PASSING YEAR,I HIGHLY DOUBT HASBRO WILL INCREASE THIS TO 4 TO 5 NEW MOLD TF LEADER SIZED TOYS PER YEAR.

A fellow seibertron.com member even agreed with me & drew up the following examples via his reply on page 4 of this thread.

here's a copied & pasted reply that "JELZE GOLDrabbit" wrote on page 4 of this thread: "

Jelze gold rabbit wrote: "You are right about toy line budgets, but which toy line will take higher priority remains to be seen. It's quite possible the Movie Trilogy line will be used to round up any loose ends toy-wise, while Prime will only have the sufficient Deluxe and Voyager Classes. Let's count how many we did get per toy line year:

Movie (2007-2008): 3 Leaders, 1 Ultimate
Animated (2008-2009): 3 Leaders, 1 Ultimate
Universe (2008-2009): 0 Leaders
Revenge of the Fallen (2009-2010): 3 Leaders, 1 Supreme Combiner, 1 Ultimate retool
Transformers (2010-2011): 2 Leaders (1 retool)
Dark of the Moon (2011): 3 Leaders, 1 Ultimate

So 3 Leaders a year seem to remain the constant."

[alexison]

Posts in all caps really bother me..

[Burn]

Hey deathy, how about those big ol profits Hasbro have been raking in from the movies for the last couple of years?

[Erailea]

Hey deathy, how about those big ol profits Hasbro have been raking in from the movies for the last couple of years?

I know, right.

I guess Tidalwavex doesn't have anything better to do then throw a childish tantrum because "mommy" isn't giving him the toys he wants.

Hasbro will make Leader figures for whoever they want, which ultimately comes down to profit margins. If they determine a movie-verse DOTM style Megatron will bring in more money then, say, Prime Starscream guess what? We're getting Megatron. And, personally, I'd rather see movie-verse Leader Megatron and Shockwave then see yet another Leader Bee of any universe. But I think it's safe to say if the Prime line gets any leaders Bublebee will be among them. Just because Bee is Hasbro's baby *cough*cashcow*cough*

Throwing a temper tantrum isn't going to change their minds. You might not like the movie-verse line but the fact Hasbro is making yet another toy line for it just goes to show it's pulling in wads of cash (I wouldn't have thought so what with all the sales it's had but obviously it is). Yes, I too am ready to move on to new toy designs and am looking forward to the Prime figures hitting mass retail, but to sit here and pour piss and vinegar on everyone because YOU *might* not get what YOU want and people are saying they would like to have DOTM leader Megs is ridiculous.

We've heard you. You're unhappy. Again.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Hey deathy, how about those big ol profits Hasbro have been raking in from the movies for the last couple of years?

All used for expanding the brand.

Compared to the Unicron Trilogy before them, the movie lines are simply gigantic, even without counting the merchandise. However, you have to keep in mind part of the money earned has to go to Hasbro's licensees, in this case Paramount for using their designs for the toys, and GM and the companies providing military vehicles for the realistic vehicle modes. Which leaves the net profit per figure sold actually slightly less than a regular figure.
Hasbro lucked out with the movies being so popular, down to leading to the toy drought of 2007. Anybody remember that? I don't have exact numbers of figures sold, but I do have a list of unique molds made (which I'd need to count) which can be used to estimate the size of the R&D budget. However, hard economic times haven't left Hasbro unnoticed, as several early RotF figures had to be redesigned to shrink the number of plastic parts (Leader Megatron actually had parts added, ironically enough).
Then there's movie fatigue and market saturation. I won't go into that, but should Hasbro come with at least a DotM Leader Megatron, I'll be very pleasantly surprised, especially if a Deluxe Mirage would follow suit.

[Burn]

JelZe, shush, I wasn't trying to get a rise out of you.