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News Credits: 1 · by **Cascadia** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:08 am

I have two G1 Jazz figures, in which I think one of them is pre-TF but I am not sure. I do not have any pictures of the two. One of them has the rub-sticker and the one does not. Can the rub stickers come off? The place where the rub sticker would have been is extraordinary smooth. There are no Autobot symbols. This one has Takara on it with 1980-1984 date. The other one has Hasbro and Takara on it with the same dates. If you want pictures, I will try my best.

by **Deadpool.** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:47 am

If i'm correct, the very first wave of the G1 toys didnt have rubsigns on them...

Your Jazz could be from the earliest batch of figures..

News Credits: 6 · by **bran10** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:52 am

Yeah as I believe, there were pre rub sign figures.

News Credits: 1 · by **Cascadia** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:00 am

thank you for your help. I did not know that I had this figure in my collection if it is truly a diaclone/pre-TF figure. I got him complete a month ago.

by **Auto Bot** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:46 am

G1 enthusiast will kill each other to get their filthy hands on those.

Congrats, man!

News Credits: 7 · by **shortround** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:59 am

Yep the very first generation of g1 figures that coinsided the season one of the show didn't have anu rub symbols. They add the rub symbols as a sort of proof that these figure were true hasbro transformers because ko's had become common place by then.

News Credits: 1 · by **Cascadia** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:05 am

Thank you...I think that I got him for $70.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:27 am

Cascadia wrote:I have two G1 Jazz figures, in which I think one of them is pre-TF but I am not sure. I do not have any pictures of the two. One of them has the rub-sticker and the one does not. Can the rub stickers come off? The place where the rub sticker would have been is extraordinary smooth. There are no Autobot symbols. This one has Takara on it with 1980-1984 date. The other one has Hasbro and Takara on it with the same dates. If you want pictures, I will try my best.

Rub signs werent used on the first figures released.I dont think they were used till the 2nd wave of Dinobots were released.
The rub signs did have a habit of falling off on some figures.Mostly any of the one that it was placed on a curved part.
None of the first wave Transformers released had a Haspro mark printed on the back.I thing most of the 2nd wave [not to be confused with 2nd season] didnt have it ether.When Hasbro first put the series together they just re-boxed exsisting Takara products from Takaras back stock.When they started producing new figures from the molds is when the Hasbro trade mark started to appear on the toys.

I dint know how to tell you if its truly from the diaclone line or a re-boxed into a TF release one.