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Re: RUMOUR: Beast Wars in War For Cybertron Part 3

Postby o.supreme » Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:56 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:You're forgetting one thing o.supreme, 2021 is also the movies 35th anniversary ;) hence the SS 86 figures and why Rodimus is likely involved in WfC 3rd part. Also there will be BW characters in Selects as well, it's inevitable. They're not going to do all those beast wars molds and not reuse them again. Plus who says 2022 isn't the year that more characters you want will see the day? They'll never stop doing G1 it seems.


I know *technically* SS is part of Generations, but to me it is a seperate line entirely. Also as much as I love the original series, I am sympathetic towards fans of the movieverse on this point. I don't think their dedicated line should have to share with characters from the 86 movie, just my opinion. Also I'd be ok with BW being included in Selects if indeed characters from the original series did go on in the Generations line, but I don't think that will be the case after this trilogy is over. How long was Archer involved in product development? It seems like these guys get "bored" and want to move on to something else. I can see Warden do the same with Haslab Unicron as his Magnum Opus, and be done with Transformers and move on to something else.
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Re: RUMOUR: Beast Wars in War For Cybertron Part 3

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:00 pm

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That is for the future to decide, I don't think Warden has said anything about his future plans. As for Selects, they'll only do the characters assigned to the molds their using, all redecos/slight retools. So you'll get the characters you want where they can. All you can do is wait and see
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Re: RUMOUR: Beast Wars in War For Cybertron Part 3

Postby william-james88 » Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:24 pm

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o.supreme wrote: But…I’d much rather just finish up WFC, get as many classic characters as we can out of the 3rd and last part (as many mentioned I’d still prefer a futuristic Victory type setting with a mix of Victory, and older characters), then be done.


This all assumes there is something to finish, some kind of logic, but there isnt. These lines are just thematically linked to sell whatever toy they want to put on shelves. We're gonna have 2 leader Rodimus Primes with trailers within generations when all this is said and done, there's no logic to that. Plus we had a whole line of triplechanging headmaster voyager figures and it didn't include the 2 actual triplechaging headmasters in the brand's history. After that, I fail to see why anyone would bother seeking logic to any of these lines.
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Re: RUMOUR: Beast Wars in War For Cybertron Part 3

Postby Verno » Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:31 pm

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Re: RUMOUR: Beast Wars in War For Cybertron Part 3

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Verno wrote:You spend two and a half years compiling potential hints and clues from official sources to construct a theory, and then the news item doesn't even mention you...


For the most part if you don't submit it to news it's random if you get the news credit or not.
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Re: RUMOUR: Beast Wars in War For Cybertron Part 3

Postby Verno » Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:58 pm

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Verno wrote:You spend two and a half years compiling potential hints and clues from official sources to construct a theory, and then the news item doesn't even mention you...


For the most part if you don't submit it to news it's random if you get the news credit or not.

I started this thread 10 days ago with the word Rumour in the title. In that time, you'd think someone from the News staff would have popped their head in for a look. Oh well.
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Re: RUMOUR: Beast Wars in War For Cybertron Part 3

Postby william-james88 » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:11 pm

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Verno wrote:You spend two and a half years compiling potential hints and clues from official sources to construct a theory, and then the news item doesn't even mention you...


For the most part if you don't submit it to news it's random if you get the news credit or not.

I started this thread 10 days ago with the word Rumour in the title. In that time, you'd think someone from the News staff would have popped their head in for a look. Oh well.


You were not mentionned because the news posted did not come from you. Your post was only mentionned after this was front paged. Plus, your post was not newsworthy, it didnt contain the actual toy rumours.

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Re: RUMOUR: Beast Wars in War For Cybertron Part 3

Postby o.supreme » Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:12 pm

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william-james88 wrote: After that, I fail to see why anyone would bother seeking logic to any of these lines.


It's just part of me unfortunately. I did mention the multiple releases of Legendary characters throughout the past 6 lines, but alas, I guess I am just destined to be slightly disappointed. Not fully, because we've got some great releases, and hopefully at least a couple more surprises before it goes full Beast Mode.


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Re: Rumours Show Next Transformers WFC Line to be Beast Wars Centric with list of Upcoming Toys

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:54 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I reiterate, that's why Beast Machines (or maybe even Transtech) would have worked a lot better. Season One Beasties and standard G1 will clash aesthetically.
What about when previous lines had furry beast and robotic vehicle toys mixed together? Specific examples include Universe 2003, RobotMasters, Beast Wars Second, and Car Robots/Robots in Disguise 2001.
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Re: RUMOUR: Beast Wars in War For Cybertron Part 3

Postby william-james88 » Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:02 pm

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william-james88 wrote: After that, I fail to see why anyone would bother seeking logic to any of these lines.


It's just part of me unfortunately. I did mention the multiple releases of Legendary characters throughout the past 6 lines, but alas, I guess I am just destined to be slightly disappointed. Not fully, because we've got some great releases, and hopefully at least a couple more surprises before it goes full Beast Mode.


I just enjoy it as it comes. But we are all different. I do think though that we will get more surprises AFTER it goes all best mode, which technically it won't due to the Rodimus rumour.
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Re: Rumours Show Next Transformers WFC Line to be Beast Wars Centric with list of Upcoming Toys

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I reiterate, that's why Beast Machines (or maybe even Transtech) would have worked a lot better. Season One Beasties and standard G1 will clash aesthetically.
What about when previous lines had furry beast and robotic vehicle toys mixed together? Specific examples include Universe 2003, RobotMasters, Beast Wars Second, and Car Robots/Robots in Disguise 2001.
Plus, if the whole idea is that they're from the future, then their designs clashing with the G1 guys will help to emphasize that.
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Re: Beast Wars in War For Cybertron Part 3

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Re: Rumours Show Next Transformers WFC Line to be Beast Wars Centric with list of Upcoming Toys

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I reiterate, that's why Beast Machines (or maybe even Transtech) would have worked a lot better. Season One Beasties and standard G1 will clash aesthetically.
What about when previous lines had furry beast and robotic vehicle toys mixed together? Specific examples include Universe 2003, RobotMasters, Beast Wars Second, and Car Robots/Robots in Disguise 2001.


Those were redecos of previous lines for the most part. I'm going to assume these will be brand new "organic" Beast Wars figures alongside G1.

Autobot N wrote:Plus, if the whole idea is that they're from the future, then their designs clashing with the G1 guys will help to emphasize that.


The problem with that is, they are not. Timey Wimey antics means the Bot Modes of the Maxi's and Preds will should look far more advanced than the boxy Autobots.
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Re: Beast Wars in War For Cybertron Part 3

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Re: Rumours Show Next Transformers WFC Line to be Beast Wars Centric with list of Upcoming Toys

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:17 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The problem with that is, they are not. Timey Wimey antics means the Bot Modes of the Maxi's and Preds will should look far more advanced than the boxy Autobots.
Hehe, and yet, nothing changed across four million years while only three centuries pass later on and, boom, suddenly everyone's smaller, using different faction names, and treating those from before the aforementioned three centuries as "ancient ancestors". 8-}
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Re: Rumours Show Next Transformers WFC Line to be Beast Wars Centric with list of Upcoming Toys

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The problem with that is, they are not. Timey Wimey antics means the Bot Modes of the Maxi's and Preds will should look far more advanced than the boxy Autobots.
Hehe, and yet, nothing changed across four million years while only three centuries pass later on and, boom, suddenly everyone's smaller, using different faction names, and treating those from before the aforementioned three centuries as "ancient ancestors". 8-}



:lol: ...Yeah

Enough to give you a headache if you think about it long enough. #-o

As an aside, if this all pans out as true and makes it into the show. I would be interested to see interaction between the two eras. Not in one of those trite team-ups that appeal to a 10y/o, either. Beast Wars left so much vague and unaddressed. How Maximal (and Predacon) society actually works. Plus, in The Agenda, they do seem to have reverence/respect for Ravage. He was just a cassette. How would Primal react to the chosen leader of the Autobot's future?
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Re: Rumours Show Next Transformers WFC Line to be Beast Wars Centric with list of Upcoming Toys

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:45 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:As an aside, if this all pans out as true and makes it into the show. I would be interested to see interaction between the two eras. Not in one of those trite team-ups that appeal to a 10y/o, either. Beast Wars left so much vague and unaddressed. How Maximal (and Predacon) society actually works. Plus, in The Agenda, they do seem to have reverence/respect for Ravage. He was just a cassette. How would Primal react to the chosen leader of the Autobot's future?
Sadly, I don't think we'll get anything that deep. If the Netflix show gets to telling this line's story, there only so much they can fit into about six episodes (assuming the episode count remains the same) that need to not only advertise many new toys but also continue the story begun with Siege and carried over into Earthrise.

And with the very good possibility that all of the Autobots/Decepticons and Maximals/Predacons will be of equal size to each other (instead of the Maximals/Predacons being human-sized), we can likely rule this out as a separate continuity from the old BW cartoon that we know and love.

And, personally, I'd rather they left the old BW cartoon continuity alone if they weren't going to at least have the still-living Bob Forward on hand to address some of that vague stuff, since the old BW cartoon was his and the late Larry DiTillio's baby. They (or at least Bob) deserve to be ones to tell us how Maximal and Predacon society works and such, not some new writer with no ties to their plans.
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Re: Rumours Show Next Transformers WFC Line to be Beast Wars Centric with list of Upcoming Toys

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Sabrblade wrote:And, personally, I'd rather they left the old BW cartoon continuity alone if they weren't going to at least have the still-living Bob Forward on hand to address some of that vague stuff, since the old BW cartoon was his and the late Larry DiTillio's baby. They (or at least Bob) deserve to be ones to tell us how Maximal and Predacon society works and such, not some new writer with no ties to their plans.


I've often thought the same. Leave Beast Wars alone. None of that: "well these stories happened in between Fallen Comrades and Double Jeopardy". Bastardise/adapt G1 all you like, but leave the series that actually consistent narratives to the creatives behind them.

Sabrblade wrote:with the very good possibility that all of the Autobots/Decepticons and Maximals/Predacons will be of equal size to each other (instead of the Maximals/Predacons being human-sized), we can likely rule this out as a separate continuity from the old BW cartoon that we know and love.



When you think about it that way, you know what this sounds like...

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Sabrblade wrote:with the very good possibility that all of the Autobots/Decepticons and Maximals/Predacons will be of equal size to each other (instead of the Maximals/Predacons being human-sized), we can likely rule this out as a separate continuity from the old BW cartoon that we know and love.



When you think about it that way, you know what this sounds like...

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Heh, if only. But that all was set in the present day with human cities and such.
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True. But then again, that is A Beast Wars timeline that has never been explored.
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As for this other part...

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:And, personally, I'd rather they left the old BW cartoon continuity alone if they weren't going to at least have the still-living Bob Forward on hand to address some of that vague stuff, since the old BW cartoon was his and the late Larry DiTillio's baby. They (or at least Bob) deserve to be ones to tell us how Maximal and Predacon society works and such, not some new writer with no ties to their plans.


I've often thought the same. Leave Beast Wars alone. None of that: "well these stories happened in between Fallen Comrades and Double Jeopardy". Bastardise/adapt G1 all you like, but leave the series that actually consistent narratives to the creatives behind them.
I'm kinda mixed on this.

On the one hand, I actually like the extra BW stuff we got way back during the early BotCon years, if just as a guilty pleasure. While not strictly from Forward and DiTillio (though, Forward himself did write both "Visitations" and "Primeval Dawn, Part 1", specifically using the latter to retcon away an error the cartoon's animators made), they came out at a time not only when the cartoon was still around and a big deal but also at a time when the fandom was starving for new Transformers content, comics or otherwise. The BW cartoon had such an erratic, unpredictable airing schedule in its original broadcast run, and there were no more TF comics of any kind available at retail. So the BW/BM-set printed media we got from 3H at the time attempted to fill that void and was well received (at least, at first) because of that. So, I have more of an appreciation for that stuff and what it did for the brand at the time.

But on the other hand, I look at the BW stuff we got from IDW in the mid-2000s and just go "...Why?" The Gathering and The Ascending felt less like an attempt to reignite the spark that made BW awesome and instead just felt like a haphazard attempt to cram as much of the toy-only characters and Japanese characters into the cartoon's world as possible, which did not need to happen at all. Granted, those stories did make me like Razorbeast, but only because he was the only character they focused on enough to make likable. Everything else in those stories just felt like forced fanservice for everything but the cartoon. When those were all said and done, I was left feeling "What was the point of any of that?"

This is why I'm so glad Jim Sorenson and David Bishop created something wonderfully new and fully detached from the cartoon when they gave us Uprising, and also why I'm cautiously concerned about what John Barber (as good a writer as he is) will be giving us in next year's Beast Wars comics. From the sound of his words in that one interview, it almost kinda sounds like the new comic series might again be set in the BW cartoon's continuity, or it could be a new take on that setting like a reboot or something. We'll just have to wait and see. Expect the worst, hope for the best, brace ourselves either way.
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Re: Beast Wars in War For Cybertron Part 3

Postby AcademyofDrX » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:37 am

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Reading up on the tail end of IDWverse via the Part Work, 'Expect the worst' is the overall impression I have of IDW now. Especially when it comes to Beast Wars. There is no need to reboot or shoehorn themselves into cartoon continuity. There are plenty of unused characters and, as we've already mentioned, A lot of the background to the Cybertronian descendants unaddressed.

Weirdly enough one of the things I like about BW continuity was how streamlined it was. You had the show and the toys. That was it. I am dismissive of all Con specific stuff.
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Re: Beast Wars in War For Cybertron Part 3

Postby ZeroWolf » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:44 am

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AcademyofDrX wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:Which part don't you get? Why there's beast wars characters
Or the story line?

Yes.

So you rather pure G1?
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Re: Beast Wars in War For Cybertron Part 3

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:55 am

ZeroWolf wrote:
AcademyofDrX wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:Which part don't you get? Why there's beast wars characters
Or the story line?

Yes.

So you rather pure G1?


No, I'm guessing he is like me and just trying to make sense of something that is non-sensical and just to sell toys. Going from cybertroninan(-ish) models in Siege, to earth modes (plus Quintessons) in Earthrise, and now onto beast modes (with Rodimus) just doesn't seem to flow logically. But it doesn't need to follow logic, it just needs to sell toys.
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