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War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:31 pm

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Mindmaster wrote:Did... did they really just describe Arcee’s alt mode as an Earth sports car??? #-o
Fresh off the assembly line in the far flung sci-fi future of 2005. ;)

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Nemesis Primal wrote:
Bone Age wrote:I'm sure at this point this Q has already been answered but, is the "unarmored" Magnus mis-transformed?
Yes, there's a mistransformation in pretty much all of the Magnus pics between what you just said, the crotchplate, and some of the armor being missing from the trailer.

Uggh dang it when do we got some accurate pix then? Guess we'll just have to wait.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby DeathReviews » Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:01 pm

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Why is it that they never seem to put any genuine effort into the Megatron figures by comparison? The alt and robot modes for the Core class version both seem kind of half-baked.

And it's good that Kingdom Ultra Magnus was mis-transformed, otherwise the white truck section has that big ol' thing hanging off his BUTT....
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:04 pm

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DeathReviews wrote:And unless Kingdom Ultra Magnus is mis-transformed, the white truck section has that big ol' thing hanging off his BUTT now....
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:05 pm

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TF-fan kev777 wrote:So has anyone else noticed that core Megatron's number if F0666? Anyone think that is intentional?


I don't believe in such silliness >:oP

Besides, it's nothing more than a reference to the Roman Emperor Nero (Hebrew, like Greek and Latin, has no dedicated numbers so letters are used instead: "666" would spell out the word "Caesar" in Hebrew)

Dinobot's raptor hands... I guess they're based on their supposed position when in mid-sprint, folded like a bird's wings, plus they fold up perfectly for the back. The rest ugh... Why do they make all theropods with child-birthing hips? First PotP Grimlock, then ER Snapdragon and now him.

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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby o.supreme » Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:22 pm

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o.supreme wrote:Lastly...Magnus not having an earth mode trailer=FAIL.


How is that trailer not an earth mode trailer?.


Poor choice of words on my part. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but it looks exactly like the Siege Trailer, in that, you cannot place any vehicles in/on it, that's where it fails for me.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby King Kuuga » Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:12 pm

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Abbreviated thoughts from the new reveals:
Core class: not up my alley.
Ractonite. A wide boi. Looks kinda wonky but I will get all mainline modulator molds in this trilogy.
Inferno: Wholely expected but not unwelcome. Looks pretty good honestly. I'll probably get him.
Huffer: I don't even care about him but damn, this looks good. Definite buy.

So from wave 2 I'm getting....
Airazor
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And Inferno

and skipping the cores, Arcee, and Magnus.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:08 am

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o.supreme wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
o.supreme wrote:Lastly...Magnus not having an earth mode trailer=FAIL.


How is that trailer not an earth mode trailer?.


Poor choice of words on my part. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but it looks exactly like the Siege Trailer, in that, you cannot place any vehicles in/on it, that's where it fails for me.
It is the Siege trailer, yes, which itself was already based on an Earth vehicle mode since it was originally God Magnus's Earth mode, making it a poor choice for a Cybertronian altmode in the first place.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:31 am

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o.supreme wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
o.supreme wrote:Lastly...Magnus not having an earth mode trailer=FAIL.


How is that trailer not an earth mode trailer?.


Poor choice of words on my part. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but it looks exactly like the Siege Trailer, in that, you cannot place any vehicles in/on it, that's where it fails for me.
It is the Siege trailer, yes, which itself was already based on an Earth vehicle mode since it was originally God Magnus's Earth mode, making it a poor choice for a Cybertronian altmode in the first place.


Pretty funny, actually: G1 Magnus had an Earth Mode cab, but a passable Cybertronian trailer:
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While Siege or Earthrise has the reverse, depending on viewpoint. :lol:
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby adamage1 » Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:50 am

Okay.... How did Core Class Megatron end up with a superior head sculpt to both Earthrise AND Siege Voyagers??
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:49 am

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Gauntlet101010 wrote:Dinobot looks great. A definite must buy for me.

Magnus ... I mean I want an official Earth mode magnus. And he won't replace City Commander for me, anyway.

Did ... did they really think giving him that big butt would be alright? Maybe it's not as bad in person. If they're gonna remold, why not remold the fists so they could store in the arms in vehicle mode. Man, some of these deigns are stellar while others just baffle me.
1. The bumper is better when slid up.
2. Because that would conflict with the arm ports the armor panels plug into, and if they shrunk the fists to get around that he'd have really tiny hands.
Not that I particularly like it, it's the same problem the DNA "upgrade" kit for SIEGE Magnus has but even moreso.

o.supreme wrote:As with the first wave, looks like the only one I'll be getting is the Fossilizer Ractonite, he looks amazing. The Original Series toys look great, but just not in my range of collecting, as for the Beasts, Airrazor looks good. But what's the deal with the Dinosaurs? It looks like they are trying so hard, but Leader Megs and now Dinobot just have this "derpy" look to them... Lastly...Magnus not having an earth mode trailer=FAIL.
1. What exactly is "derpy" about them? I think in Dinobot's case the exposed robot hips beat the "chest tumor" legs from the original.
2a. First of all...
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With the RiD-based trailer, the SIEGE Ultra Magnus mold actually has a more earth mode-looking trailer than the G1 toy did. :P Let's face it, the Powered Convoy trailer (while thoroughly awesome) does not look like a realistic earthly car carrier - it's a sci-fi vehicle more akin to the non-"Real and Robo" Diaclone toys.
2b. I'm guessing that by "earth mode" you really mean "G1 toy and cartoon", and they actually did change it to be closer to that as best they could.
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You can clearly see representations of the G1 trailer's support pillars. It's just that the RiD-based scaffolding was retained in between for structural stability and reduced partsforming.

o.supreme wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
o.supreme wrote:Lastly...Magnus not having an earth mode trailer=FAIL.


How is that trailer not an earth mode trailer?.


Poor choice of words on my part. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but it looks exactly like the Siege Trailer, in that, you cannot place any vehicles in/on it, that's where it fails for me.
In it, no. On it? Yes. Plenty of surface area up top to sit 2 Deluxe Autobot cars. So, exactly the same as the Combiner Wars toy, 2 less than MP-22 and the G1 toy, and 2 more than City Commander.

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ScottyP wrote:Huffer looks incredible! So glad he can pull the trailer.


I like how everyone is really into Huffer. He looks great. It's really the first time ever that we've gotten a proper Huffer. Like ever. They finally did him right after several poor attempts and now everyone's rightfully like "wow, he looks great!".

Kudos to Hasbro and Takara Tomy for finally doing Huffer right. Can't wait to see the inevitable Pipes get the same proper treatment. Hope they can get the cab right for Pipes in robot mode.
Yeah. Prior to this the closest thing we got to a halfway decent new Huffer toy was the Timelines one..
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Seibertron wrote:Glad I'm not the only one who thinks the raptor hands on Dinobot look "off" to put it politely. Is it too late to remold the hands? The artwork got it right, but the toy itself looks like he's got broken wrists or something with his hands hanging oddly and not very threatening.
It kinda makes him look like a reptavian praying mantis.
It would be nice if he was retooled to have new dino hands with a hinge for the fingers, but I wouldnt bet on it... What I would bet on is the 90-degree droop being necessary for transformation clearance.

Rodimus Prime wrote:And Sabrblade, I agree that Magnus's cab looks very plain up front and a red bumper would not only be accurate but would liven it up a bit. If I had my way, he'd have a huge chrome grille guard on there, even if it wasn't accurate.
I think just more paint detail in general would help a hell of a lot. My personal preference would be a silver or chrome bumper. Not cartoon accurate, no, but it would match the G1 toy and be a bit more real.

Overcracker wrote:After careful study of the images, I will concede you are indeed correct.

The pylons are there, but given the new position of the trailer no longer peg into the back of the trailer, which leaves that area open.

The hinge I mistakenly thought was missing is still there, but has been made to look like there is no hinge from the side though the pin can still be seen from the top barely and this panel now has the slots for the side clip to go into.

The pylons appear to still clip onto the same tab between the inner robot ankles which makes it impossible for them to reach the clips on the back now since the trailer is now moved further back. This leaves that empty space there I was seeing.

Basically the red part that clips into the inner robot's spine now only tabs onto the retooled side panels.

The rear panels have been retooled yes to make them look more G1.

I still contest the panel that flips onto the armored chest piece is not correctly tabbed into the back of the trailer however in the actual figure pictures, no way to tell on the image of the back of the box however due to the angle. The panel should still be flat, not angled down and then up.
Hm..
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Looking at this photo (which gives a better view of the panel in truck mode), I think it pretty much has to be correctly flat and tabbed-in in the back-of-box photo; if it wasn't, we'd be seeing the smaller red panel. Comparing to the SIEGE figure, I think the angles you're seeing are part of the new chestplate itself.

Overcracker wrote:Not sure the end result accomplished much other than just exposing the robot fists more.

Does not manage to look in any way better.

I may just get it to play around with the original Seige / Netflix trailer on this Magnus and see what looks better.
Yeah, I wouldn't say it looks better. All it does is give him an even worse version of the problem the DNA leg-lengthers inflict. So, I am fine sticking with the SIEGE version. The G1 trailer pillars and G1 cab front aren't enough to win me over on a double-dip.

Honestly, I don't think we'll see Ultra Magnus truly improved past what we've got until they deign to give him a Commander-class toy. Or somebody makes a 3P trailer that effectively does that for the WFC inner robot.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Dinobot's raptor hands... I guess they're based on their supposed position when in mid-sprint, folded like a bird's wings, plus they fold up perfectly for the back. The rest ugh... Why do they make all theropods with child-birthing hips? First PotP Grimlock, then ER Snapdragon and now him.
Because of the thing that all three of those characters have in common: Their beast mode legs are their robot mode arms. That horizontal protrusion is the price paid for increased outward movement.

On that note, you should have said "First MP Grimlock" :P
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IMO the protrusion doesn't look too bad in Dinobot's case, especially with the panels to blend them with the dino body. The larger-than-life photos make the protrusion bigger than it will in-hand.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:15 am

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Because that would conflict with the arm ports the armor panels plug into, and if they shrunk the fists to get around that he'd have really tiny hands.
Not that I particularly like it, it's the same problem the DNA "upgrade" kit for SIEGE Magnus has but even moreso.

I refuse to believe that there was nothing they could do about those hands. The cab is a box.

This is a problem I have with Siege as well, but it's lessened by the trailer covering it up. The cab didn't have to be a mess.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby william-james88 » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:12 am

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You can clearly see representations of the G1 trailer's support pillars.


We must have different definitions of the word "clearly" because until you wrote that post I could not see that at all.

But now yeah, I see it. Feels more like an homage to he G1 toy than anything else though.

Here is the Siege toy for people to compare and see the changes:

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Also, O.supreme, Siege/Kingdom Magnus can carry cars on top of his trailer.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Rogue-Primal » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:24 am

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Based on the ammount of figures revealed does anyone think they will make a Kingdom Beast Wars Silverbolt in this line?
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:30 am

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Rogue-Primal wrote:Based on the ammount of figures revealed does anyone think they will make a Kingdom Beast Wars Silverbolt in this line?
Pretty much the entire retail line has been leaked already and he'd not in it.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby ZeroWolf » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:31 am

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Rogue-Primal wrote:Based on the ammount of figures revealed does anyone think they will make a Kingdom Beast Wars Silverbolt in this line?

Sadly not, even announced for this line is a season 1 character. Silverbolt, being season 2, is beyond that remit. The best we can hope for is that this approach does well so Hasbro may revisit the season 2 + 3 characters later
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:59 am

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Huffer - I am more than happy with my CW one, I will wait to get the mold for Pipes, he is the character I prefer by far.

Airazor - they did her so good! she might be the single best looking Beast Wars character they have done so far. She is really strong and really good looking. Very excited for her.

Ractonite - I think I have found my new favorite beastformer. THAT is a figure! I love how the right arm is vomited out of the Styraco-head. Everything about that toy is amazing.

Voyager Class

Inferno - Easy pass, that mold sucks and the PotP one is great for me.

Dinobot - he looks really good. Couple of nitpicks, but he looks really good and he makes me regret buying my MP Dinobot, much the same way wave 1 Megs and BA make me regret buying their MPs.

Leader Class

Magnus - easy pass, he honestly looks sort of shite. Siege was much better and I still didn't get that one.

3 figures from the wave, nice and easy breathing. I love that this line is letting me skip half of it.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby william-james88 » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:12 am

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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby aronjlove » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:15 am

william-james88 wrote:Preorders up at target

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Nice, but I don't see Airrazor or Huffer...
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby GeekyGamer Gal » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:02 pm

aronjlove wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Preorders up at target

https://www.target.com/s?searchTerm=tra ... tBy=newest
Nice, but I don't see Airrazor or Huffer...

Or anybot else of the deluxe class.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby ThunderThruster » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:17 pm

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Magnus is about what I expected him to be, and even then, I'm more disappointed than I expected to be. I'll stick with the Siege version.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:27 pm

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You can clearly see representations of the G1 trailer's support pillars.


You know what else I clearly see that nobody else commented on? Look inside the trailer near the cab. there is the front of a 3rd shoulder missile hanging out in there.

Other than just Hasbro being Hasbro with photos, this makes me wonder if there is some way to attach them in there, or if one was just laying there and nobody noticed.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby aronjlove » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:30 pm

TF-fan kev777 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Image
You can clearly see representations of the G1 trailer's support pillars.


You know what else I clearly see that nobody else commented on? Look inside the trailer near the cab. there is the front of a 3rd shoulder missile hanging out in there.

Other than just Hasbro being Hasbro with photos, this makes me wonder if there is some way to attach them in there, or if one was just laying there and nobody noticed.

That's where the arm plates hang and they do have a 5mm port.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Autobot N » Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:36 pm

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I wonder when we'll get to see Wingfinger?
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

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