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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:A good alternate headsculpt. It loses a little impact with no paint on the teeth though.

My guess is that this alternate head sculpt is for a different release of this mold later on, but on the production line, someone cast the parts with the wrong gate open for the head, and we got the alternate one. However, since this run is supposed to be the closed mouth version, the people painting probably had no directions for any teeth, because they shouldn't be there, so it was painted as if it was the closed mouth version.

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:A good alternate headsculpt. It loses a little impact with no paint on the teeth though.

Oh, there is paint on the teeth. It's just the same purple paint as his face.

Haha nice

So I found Optimus Primal and Blackarachnia recently at a local Target. Found Cheetor too, but didn't buy him, hoping for more info on the better looking Netflix repaint.

Primal is fantastic. The paint and details are excellent, he's extremely posable, and although he's a little short for a voyager, he's also extremely SOLID. He's got a great hefty feel to him and no hollow sections in either mode, which makes him look great at any angle. Only real complaints I have is his his robot knees don't hide very well in beast mode (they kind of stick out of his butt) and the swords are store on the outside in beast mode instead of internally. Those are really minor quibbles, though, I would easily recommend him.

Blackarachnia is also great, she looks fantastic in either mode. However, the one I found has a REALLY loose neck joint. It holds when you position her fine, but any kind of jarring and her head just kind of plops down to her back or chest. Maybe something to look for if others find her.

You can almost hear him say "Yesssss"

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:A good alternate headsculpt. It loses a little impact with no paint on the teeth though.

Oh, there is paint on the teeth. It's just the same purple paint as his face.

Very good

Pretty neat, but I already have Megatron and have no need to spend another $50 (or more circumstantially speaking) just for a variant head.

I’ll be intrigued if this alternate head does signal a new version of T-Wrecks though. Still waiting with crossed fingers for MP T-Wrecks & BW Grimlock.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I’ll be intrigued if this alternate head does signal a new version of T-Wrecks though.

In a sense it does. Starting with Robot Masters, Beast Megatron's mouth was closed on occasion, like it is on the Kingdom one:


Transformers Beast Wars Telemocha Series Megatron Gallery
Small Sad 'Saurus


Transformers Beast Wars Reborn Megatron (Reissue) Gallery


Transformers BotCon Exclusives Megatron Gallery

T-Wrecks only had one toy, as a redeco of the original BW Megatron with the teeth showing, so it would make sense for the Hasbro designers to use that for him.

While I'm at it: face plate for BW Grimlock!

This colour scheme would look really good on the new figure.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:While I'm at it: face plate for BW Grimlock!

Would the G1 Grimlock fans be really angry if this guy received the MP treatment, before his namesake was granted a 2.0?

Hmmm good question
I would assume BW Grimlock would be released in generations selects before an MP version, especially since MP Dinobot was made to be cartoon accurate and BW Grimlock looks pretty different from that (at least based on the comic appearance)

That and although a masterpiece 2.0 grimlock would be pretty cool im not sure how necessary it would be, the first version was pretty good and SS86 version is satisfying a lot of people. I would assume masterpiece efforts would be devoted to another character but idk

Razorbeast88 wrote:Hmmm good question
I would assume BW Grimlock would be released in generations selects before an MP version, especially since MP Dinobot was made to be cartoon accurate and BW Grimlock looks pretty different from that (at least based on the comic appearance)

That and although a masterpiece 2.0 grimlock would be pretty cool im not sure how necessary it would be, the first version was pretty good and SS86 version is satisfying a lot of people. I would assume masterpiece efforts would be devoted to another character but idk

Selects has a lot of potential in Kingdom. Even Blackarachnia could have an Arcee redeco. Every chosen Beast Character so far has at least one. Even the question mark to this line that is Polar Claw, has four recolours.

BW Grimlock as an MP, I would see as MP Dinobot, with a new Head and colour scheme. No other real changes, as he has no physical reference point to scale him with. Just comic appearances that vaguely assert his size.

Friends have told me MP Grimlock is too short now. That a 2.0 is needed for him to be brought into the correct scale with Prime etc. The lack of MP G1 Dinobots I can only assume are due to Takara complacently leaving them down to 3P's to provide.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:Hmmm good question
I would assume BW Grimlock would be released in generations selects before an MP version, especially since MP Dinobot was made to be cartoon accurate and BW Grimlock looks pretty different from that (at least based on the comic appearance)

That and although a masterpiece 2.0 grimlock would be pretty cool im not sure how necessary it would be, the first version was pretty good and SS86 version is satisfying a lot of people. I would assume masterpiece efforts would be devoted to another character but idk

Selects has a lot of potential in Kingdom. Even Blackarachnia could have an Arcee redeco. Every chosen Beast Character so far has at least one. Even the question mark to this line that is Polar Claw, has four recolours.

BW Grimlock as an MP, I would see as MP Dinobot, with a new Head and colour scheme. No other real changes, as he has no physical reference point to scale him with. Just comic appearances that vaguely assert his size.

Friends have told me MP Grimlock is too short now. That a 2.0 is needed for him to be brought into the correct scale with Prime etc. The lack of MP G1 Dinobots I can only assume are due to Takara complacently leaving them down to 3P's to provide.

Considering how much MP Prime was, I can't help but wonder how much MP Grimlock 2.0 would cost

Anyway, I reckon we'll start hearing about the Kingdom Selects soon enough.

The blackarachnia arcee thing would be cool! And fingers crossed with polar claw, I know it's been said his figure was canceled but I still have my fingers crossed we'll get one at some point, even if in a line after kingdom.

I agree about the MP BW Grimlock, just not sure if they'd go for it. And it'd be really awesome if any version of BW Grimlock included some remolding to add that furry/feathery look that his dino mode had in the comics but not a big deal if that never happens

As far as the need for an updated MP Grimlock goes, I didnt know about the scaling issue since the new MP prime was too expensive for me but seems like reason enough for an update since starscream got an update too. I would assume you're right about takara relying on 3P for MP scale dinobots, my impression has always been the MP line focuses on the most popular characters and although the dinobots are popular, they don't really stand out other than Grimlock. They're just kind of part of the collective. Maybe that's why MP hasn't done any of the other groups like constructicons or combaticons (those are combiners though so way different)

Id also be interested to see some retools as well. Rhinox into Razorbeast, that kind of thing. Since the sizes of some of the original Basic Beasties were way off what they should have been.

I can't help but notice that the Dinobots always seem to phased out of the comics around the midpoint of their life cycle. They never seem to get any kind of upgraded form in the figures either. Similar story with the cartoons too.

Beyond G1, I wonder if that is a mandate from HasTak?

Id loveee an updated razorbeast, as surprising as that must be hahahahaha and agreed about the size issues, though im not sure if voyager would be a little too big for razorbeast. Of course I've never seen a wild boar, but based on lion king and the javelinas ive seen id imagine they are still fairly small haha

It does seem that the dinobots have been pretty neglected after this time. The only update they've had that comes to mind was in transformers animated and even then that was just 3 out of the 5

Razorbeast88 wrote:Id loveee an updated razorbeast, as surprising as that must be hahahahaha and agreed about the size issues, though im not sure if voyager would be a little too big for razorbeast. Of course I've never seen a wild boar, but based on lion king and the javelinas ive seen id imagine they are still fairly small haha

It does seem that the dinobots have been pretty neglected after this time. The only update they've had that comes to mind was in transformers animated and even then that was just 3 out of the 5

As far as Boar scaling goes...



This was the best one I could find. Definitely should be bigger than a Rat, Iguana Frilled Lizard, Stag Beetle etc

Yeah, maybe that is because Takara doesn't like to make Dinobots as ongoing figures? Seeing them more as a short term novelty. Like the Battlechargers, Duocons etc

Well that clears that up hahaha I stand corrected

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:Id loveee an updated razorbeast, as surprising as that must be hahahahaha and agreed about the size issues, though im not sure if voyager would be a little too big for razorbeast. Of course I've never seen a wild boar, but based on lion king and the javelinas ive seen id imagine they are still fairly small haha

It does seem that the dinobots have been pretty neglected after this time. The only update they've had that comes to mind was in transformers animated and even then that was just 3 out of the 5

As far as Boar scaling goes...

Boar.jpg

This was the best one I could find. Definitely should be bigger than a Rat, Iguana Frilled Lizard, Stag Beetle etc

Yeah, maybe that is because Takara doesn't like to make Dinobots as ongoing figures? Seeing them more as a short term novelty. Like the Battlechargers, Duocons etc

I mean yes, but compared with the Gorilla and the Cheetah, Rattrap is an R.U.S. and a basic class Razorbeast would be the one in scale here

BW Grimlock was a Trex in the story ark with Magmatron so I'm not too sure if it would be dinobot or Megatron getting the repaint. Either would be cool for me.

SS86 Grimlocks too short for Grimlock so I'm doubting an inscale MP Grimlock 2.0 at any point though it would be nice if thye did one and his team mates.

G1 Grimlock did get an update...into a pretender (thats kinda maybe an upgrade), the orig toys were pretty good along with the G2 colorings.

I'd kinda hope for the pretenders/animal pretenders in the case of a use of a wildboar for Snarler over a BW Razorbeast.

Actually he got a further update with Nucleon as well SS86 Grim too short? He looks like he's bigger the prime so isn't that right?

Now BW Grim, I can see Hasbro taking the easy way abd just doing it off Voyager Dinobot, leaving T-Wrecks to be the other use of the megatron mold.

ZeroWolf wrote:Actually he got a further update with Nucleon as well SS86 Grim too short? He looks like he's bigger the prime so isn't that right?

Now BW Grim, I can see Hasbro taking the easy way abd just doing it off Voyager Dinobot, leaving T-Wrecks to be the other use of the megatron mold.

I just realized ss86 grim is as tall as the potp Voyager, so I kinda get where people are coming from.
And yes T wrecks is for sure the other use, along with the Jurassic park crossover figure.

william-james88 wrote:I just realized ss86 grim is as tall as the potp Voyager, so I kinda get where people are coming from.

Uh...

aronjlove wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I just realized ss86 grim is as tall as the potp Voyager, so I kinda get where people are coming from.

Uh...

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Wow, he really puts the PotP version in perspective. I was trying to hold off on the SS86 Dinos just because I had the PotP ones... but this is making me reconsider.

Do you have TR Wheelie to make comparisons with? Can he hold the SS86 Wheelie figure's slingshot?

Nuclearxpotato wrote:

aronjlove wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I just realized ss86 grim is as tall as the potp Voyager, so I kinda get where people are coming from.

Uh...

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Wow, he really puts the PotP version in perspective. I was trying to hold off on the SS86 Dinos just because I had the PotP ones... but this is making me reconsider.

Do you have TR Wheelie to make comparisons with? Can he hold the SS86 Wheelie figure's slingshot?

Wheelie can hold Wheelie! (not my pic, btw)

Nuclearxpotato wrote:Wow, he really puts the PotP version in perspective. I was trying to hold off on the SS86 Dinos just because I had the PotP ones... but this is making me reconsider.

I was thinking the same since I have them as well but then I saw SS86 Grimlock in Walmart. Once I realized how huge he was I had to have him.

Nuclearxpotato wrote:Do you have TR Wheelie to make comparisons with? Can he hold the SS86 Wheelie figure's slingshot?

Until this comment I didn't realize the slingshot came out of his hand lol and the slingshot post is the same size as the PotP Prime Master pretender armor hands and the Kingdom core-class hands, 3mm I think?