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News Credits: 331 · by **chuckdawg1999** » Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:15 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Chriphord wrote:
Autobot N wrote:
Munkky wrote:If I had to guess, I'd say maybe three or four waves in total, that would cover the majority of movie characters we're not getting in Kingdom. I remember hearing leaks about Voyager Swoop, Starscream (though this was a while ago so they may have been talking about Bumblebee Movie Starscream), a Sweep and a Junkion. After those we're pretty much covered, unless you want to go really abstract like a Prowl with orange light piping and smoke effects you can attach to his eyes and mouth.
We're also getting the rest of the Dinobots (save Slash, but that's to be expected, as much as I want her) as Leaders. And yes, 86 Starscream and Bumblebee Starscream are different figures.

Would they just be re-releasing ER Starscream under the 86 or release a new mold? I can't imagine them having two different molds of the same iteration of a character at the same time even if they are under different toylines. And if they were to release a Screamer under that line, I would imagine they would have to make it a leader due to the coronation getup being required.
SS86 Starscream is said to be a retool of ER Starscream with his coronation getup included.

If they do Starscream in straight toon colors that just might be the best toy Starscream ever.

News Credits: 4835 · by **william-james88** » Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:26 pm

chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Chriphord wrote:
Autobot N wrote:
Munkky wrote:If I had to guess, I'd say maybe three or four waves in total, that would cover the majority of movie characters we're not getting in Kingdom. I remember hearing leaks about Voyager Swoop, Starscream (though this was a while ago so they may have been talking about Bumblebee Movie Starscream), a Sweep and a Junkion. After those we're pretty much covered, unless you want to go really abstract like a Prowl with orange light piping and smoke effects you can attach to his eyes and mouth.
We're also getting the rest of the Dinobots (save Slash, but that's to be expected, as much as I want her) as Leaders. And yes, 86 Starscream and Bumblebee Starscream are different figures.

Would they just be re-releasing ER Starscream under the 86 or release a new mold? I can't imagine them having two different molds of the same iteration of a character at the same time even if they are under different toylines. And if they were to release a Screamer under that line, I would imagine they would have to make it a leader due to the coronation getup being required.
SS86 Starscream is said to be a retool of ER Starscream with his coronation getup included.

If they do Starscream in straight toon colors that just might be the best toy Starscream ever.

Isn't ER Starscream G1 toy colours already?

News Credits: 4835 · by **william-james88** » Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:34 pm

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Plus, if they are shifting characters between this and SS'86, Terrorsaur could be a nice retool of a potential Swoop.

Please no. Enough with this placeholder retool idea. These are great characters and deserve their own molds and transformations. I thought we were past this nonsense of having slightly similar alt modes mean instant retool, like Motormaster retooled into Optimus, it's been done to death. If Sunstreaker can have a different mold from Sideswipe (who have near identical car modes), then Swoop and Terrorsaur should have different molds too.

News Credits: 1 · by **Rtron** » Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:08 pm

william-james88 wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Plus, if they are shifting characters between this and SS'86, Terrorsaur could be a nice retool of a potential Swoop.

Please no. Enough with this placeholder retool idea. These are great characters and deserve their own molds and transformations. I thought we were past this nonsense of having slightly similar alt modes mean instant retool, like Motormaster retooled into Optimus, it's been done to death. If Sunstreaker can have a different mold from Sideswipe (who have near identical car modes), then Swoop and Terrorsaur should have different molds too.

Fortunately, it seems like Hasbro is in agreement with you and leaving the lazy retools behind. I hope that trend continues. Terrorsaur definetely deserves his own mold. Besides, how the hell would retooling him from Swoop even work? Their transformations schemes and aesthetics are completely different. It would be like retooling a 2007 movie Bumblebee into a G1 cartoon accurate Tracks. It makes no sense. At that point, you might as well make a new mold.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:17 pm

Rtron wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Plus, if they are shifting characters between this and SS'86, Terrorsaur could be a nice retool of a potential Swoop.

Please no. Enough with this placeholder retool idea. These are great characters and deserve their own molds and transformations. I thought we were past this nonsense of having slightly similar alt modes mean instant retool, like Motormaster retooled into Optimus, it's been done to death. If Sunstreaker can have a different mold from Sideswipe (who have near identical car modes), then Swoop and Terrorsaur should have different molds too.

Fortunately, it seems like Hasbro is in agreement with you and leaving the lazy retools behind. I hope that trend continues. Terrorsaur definetely deserves his own mold. Besides, how the hell would retooling him from Swoop even work? Their transformations schemes and aesthetics are completely different. It would be like retooling a 2007 movie Bumblebee into a G1 cartoon accurate Tracks. It makes no sense. At that point, you might as well make a new mold.

Flip him over, and replace the outer mechanical bits with organic ones :lol:

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:20 pm

william-james88 wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:If they do Starscream in straight toon colors that just might be the best toy Starscream ever.

Isn't ER Starscream G1 toy colours already?

News Credits: 1 · by **Rtron** » Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:20 pm

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Rtron wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Plus, if they are shifting characters between this and SS'86, Terrorsaur could be a nice retool of a potential Swoop.

Please no. Enough with this placeholder retool idea. These are great characters and deserve their own molds and transformations. I thought we were past this nonsense of having slightly similar alt modes mean instant retool, like Motormaster retooled into Optimus, it's been done to death. If Sunstreaker can have a different mold from Sideswipe (who have near identical car modes), then Swoop and Terrorsaur should have different molds too.

Fortunately, it seems like Hasbro is in agreement with you and leaving the lazy retools behind. I hope that trend continues. Terrorsaur definetely deserves his own mold. Besides, how the hell would retooling him from Swoop even work? Their transformations schemes and aesthetics are completely different. It would be like retooling a 2007 movie Bumblebee into a G1 cartoon accurate Tracks. It makes no sense. At that point, you might as well make a new mold.

Flip him over, and replace the outer mechanical bits with organic ones

That's not nearly as easy and cheap to design and produce as it is to write. Not to mention that his inner robot bits aren't cubes, unlike Swoop's. It just makes no sense. IF you need him to be a retool for some reason, retooling him from Airazor would make waaaaaaaaay more sense. Still stupid, but a good bit less so.

News Credits: 56 · by **o.supreme** » Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:24 pm

With respects to repaints and slight retools I don't think Hasbro is ever going to pass an easy cash Grab. Still I'm sure Terrorsuar will be an original figure if one gets made. I mean we've already seen leaked photos of T-Wrecks, and the white raptor Grimlock is rumored. Still I don't know if every non-show character repaint will get made, but I guess time will tell.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:32 pm

Rtron wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Rtron wrote:Fortunately, it seems like Hasbro is in agreement with you and leaving the lazy retools behind. I hope that trend continues. Terrorsaur definetely deserves his own mold. Besides, how the hell would retooling him from Swoop even work? Their transformations schemes and aesthetics are completely different. It would be like retooling a 2007 movie Bumblebee into a G1 cartoon accurate Tracks. It makes no sense. At that point, you might as well make a new mold.

Flip him over, and replace the outer mechanical bits with organic ones

That's not nearly as easy and cheap to design and produce as it is to write. Not to mention that his inner robot bits aren't cubes, unlike Swoop's. It just makes no sense. IF you need him to be a retool for some reason, retooling him from Airazor would make waaaaaaaaay more sense. Still stupid, but a good bit less so.

Even with the proper emojis jokes don't translate well...

o.supreme wrote:With respects to repaints and slight retools I don't think Hasbro is ever going to pass an easy cash Grab. Still I'm sure Terrorsuar will be an original figure if one gets made. I mean we've already seen leaked photos of T-Wrecks, and the white raptor Grimlock is rumored. Still I don't know if every non-show character repaint will get made, but I guess time will tell.

There aren't that many, really, especially with the later-year ones. From the top of my head, only Buzz Saw is left with the rumored Waspinator, and Ravage/Tripredacus Agent/Shadow Panther from Cheetor.

News Credits: 65 · by **Wolfman Jake** » Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:44 pm

o.supreme wrote:With respects to repaints and slight retools I don't think Hasbro is ever going to pass an easy cash Grab. Still I'm sure Terrorsuar will be an original figure if one gets made. I mean we've already seen leaked photos of T-Wrecks, and the white raptor Grimlock is rumored. Still I don't know if every non-show character repaint will get made, but I guess time will tell.

At the very least, we can get a Fractyl repaint (probably in Generations Selects) of a new Terrorsaur figure, whenever that would come out, and under whichever Generations line.

News Credits: 56 · by **o.supreme** » Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:45 pm

Packrat from Rattrap?

There are a lot of questions actually... Would they remake Tarantulas from BA? Would they make Laserbeak or Fractyl from Terrorsaur?

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:18 pm

o.supreme wrote:Packrat from Rattrap?

There are a lot of questions actually... Would they remake Tarantulas from BA? Would they make Laserbeak or Fractyl from Terrorsaur?

Yes, no and yes.

News Credits: 48 · by **Nemesis Primal** » Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:26 pm

Going off of every BW character we've either seen already or have a leaked listing for, we've got Primal, Megs, Rattrap, Rhinox, Cheetor, Tigatron, Airazor, Dinobot, Blackarachnia, Waspinator, and Scorponok in terms of molds. If we're talking repaints (not retools) from those:

Primal
-Universe colors
-Burning Convoy colors I guess?

Megatron
-T-Wrecks (already leaked/known)

Rattrap
-Packrat

Rhinox
-Dark Designs Predacon Rhinox?
-Fox Kids colors?

Cheetor
-Shadow Panther (already has leaked listing for mainline)
-Nightprowler

Tigatron
-Prototype-stage orange tiger?

Airazor
-BW2 Skywarp (rumored via leaks for Amazon exclusive set)

Dinobot
-Grimlock (rumored via leaks for Amazon exclusive set)
-Fox Kids colors?

Blackarachnia
-Toy colors (extra possible given we've seen the alternate head for the mold)
-Halloween Horrorcon colors (same as above)
-The alternate color scheme she got when she controlled the flying island in The Trigger?

Waspinator
-Buzz Saw
-Fox Kids colors? (Kinda similar to Buzz Saw, but sort of has the separate character name of Buzzbomb already, unlike all the other Fox Kids color schemes just being the same guy they're repainted from)

Scorponok
-Sandstorm
-Double Punch
-Prototype-stage clear orange?

o.supreme wrote:Would they make Laserbeak or Fractyl from Terrorsaur?

Why wouldn't they?

News Credits: 1 · by **Rtron** » Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:34 pm

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Rtron wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Rtron wrote:Fortunately, it seems like Hasbro is in agreement with you and leaving the lazy retools behind. I hope that trend continues. Terrorsaur definetely deserves his own mold. Besides, how the hell would retooling him from Swoop even work? Their transformations schemes and aesthetics are completely different. It would be like retooling a 2007 movie Bumblebee into a G1 cartoon accurate Tracks. It makes no sense. At that point, you might as well make a new mold.

Flip him over, and replace the outer mechanical bits with organic ones

That's not nearly as easy and cheap to design and produce as it is to write. Not to mention that his inner robot bits aren't cubes, unlike Swoop's. It just makes no sense. IF you need him to be a retool for some reason, retooling him from Airazor would make waaaaaaaaay more sense. Still stupid, but a good bit less so.

Even with the proper emojis jokes don't translate well...

o.supreme wrote:With respects to repaints and slight retools I don't think Hasbro is ever going to pass an easy cash Grab. Still I'm sure Terrorsuar will be an original figure if one gets made. I mean we've already seen leaked photos of T-Wrecks, and the white raptor Grimlock is rumored. Still I don't know if every non-show character repaint will get made, but I guess time will tell.

There aren't that many, really, especially with the later-year ones. From the top of my head, only Buzz Saw is left with the rumored Waspinator, and Ravage/Tripredacus Agent/Shadow Panther from Cheetor.

Sorry I didn't get it, it's just that many people on here say those things seriously, so it's hard to tell for me.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:02 am

New magazine pics of Rodimus Prime:

https://twitter.com/UNOYUKI07153/status/1375094277861085184

News Credits: 12 · by **Razorbeast88** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:09 am

Well now we have a size comparison. I was hoping that Rodimus would be a little taller but that was just wishful thinking

This trailer actually fits a car in it so that's cool, though not without taking out the big gun thing. But if the trailer had enough room for both it'd probably be oversized

Looks cool! I like the way the back of the trailer opens, hopefully we get more pics of him with other bots soon

News Credits: 11 · by **Overcracker** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:12 am

Interesting, though judging by SS Hot Rod, he will be kind of short. Yes that Commander class price point is all Trailer and accessories.

Its kind off odd we have not yet seen a Matrix. I mean, he does come with a Matrix right?

News Credits: 10 · by **sol magnus** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:13 am

When's he coming out, that's what I want to know.

News Credits: 100 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:13 am

COMMANDER CONFIRMED. :michaelbay:

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:16 am

Overcracker wrote:Its kind off odd we have not yet seen a Matrix. I mean, he does come with a Matrix right?

He does, yes. The first pic looks to have cut off the top part of the page, so the Matrix could be on that part.

Though, I posted a pic of him with his Matrix from TakaraTomy's website two weeks ago.

News Credits: 7 · by **TulioDude** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:53 am

If we're talking about the G1 cartoon,then I prefer Galvatron over Megatron.While Megatron is standard villain fare,Galvatron way of using his strength to power through everything is very entertaining.

News Credits: 11 · by **Overcracker** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:06 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Overcracker wrote:Its kind off odd we have not yet seen a Matrix. I mean, he does come with a Matrix right?
He does, yes. The first pic looks to have cut off the top part of the page, so the Matrix could be on that part.

Though, I posted a pic of him with his Matrix from TakaraTomy's website two weeks ago.

True, but its obscured by the blast effect there. We don't know if that's a matrix he comes with, or just ER Prime's matrix with a blast effect attached to it. We have not seen an actual shot of the matrix on its own or in his chest I don't think.

Nor of any other accessories including blast effects he may come with beyond the Gun, sword and matrix blast effect.

On other news, my SS Grimlock, Hot Rod, and Kingdom Megs are caught in delivery limbo for the last 5 days. :BANG_HEAD:

No updates on BBTS nor BBTS's shipment company Asendia. USPs says it's in transit. International delivery is rough. :-(

News Credits: 12 · by **Sentinel_Primal** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:21 pm

Rodimus looks really good! Nice and beefy vehicle mode, plus the separate car mode's starting to look really good as well. Hopefully on April 9th we see a bit of how he transforms to see if he's like ER Prime

News Credits: 331 · by **chuckdawg1999** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:49 pm

It looks like SS Hot Rod has his legs spread just a little bit more than Rodimus' perhaps to make Hot Rod look shorter.

News Credits: 11 · by **Overcracker** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:04 pm

Interestingly enough the car parked inside the trailer is actually SS Hot Rod. Which makes sense... deep down inside Rodimus Prime is Hot Rod. His inner Hot Rod so to speak. How Meta.