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Evil_the_Nub wrote:Ebert gave Cloverfield a good review, how anyone gives value to his opinion after that is a mystery to me.

Yup.

He does not have the pulse on being able to review this kind of movie anymore.

He's too far removed from the average theater goer's take on what this kind of movie is about.

I agree with Ebert on this one. ROTF is seriously awful. Most people and critics think so as well. So its not hard to figure out. Heck I even thought the first one was bad. The sequel is even worse.

Counterpunch wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:Ebert gave Cloverfield a good review, how anyone gives value to his opinion after that is a mystery to me.

Yup.

He does not have the pulse on being able to review this kind of movie anymore.

He's too far removed from the average theater goer's take on what this kind of movie is about.

He gave TF1 3 outta 4 stars, yet somehow in less than 2 years his brain turned into linguine and he doesn’t know how to review a movie…Jesus Skywalker, you people…

wingdarkness wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:Ebert gave Cloverfield a good review, how anyone gives value to his opinion after that is a mystery to me.

Yup.

He does not have the pulse on being able to review this kind of movie anymore.

He's too far removed from the average theater goer's take on what this kind of movie is about.

He gave TF1 3 outta 4 stars, yet somehow in less than 2 years his brain turned into linguine and he doesn’t know how to review a movie…Jesus Skywalker, you people…

You people?

I'm sorry, would you like to be more specific?

I've been in two full theaters now seeing this film, both of which had lines forming 2 hours before the showing and people clapping both for Prime's resurrection and the finale of the film.

Us people seemed to have a pretty good time watching the film.

I don't care if it has been two years or ten years. I don't think the man knows how to review action movies anymore.

You people...indeed.

Counterpunch wrote:

wingdarkness wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:Ebert gave Cloverfield a good review, how anyone gives value to his opinion after that is a mystery to me.

Yup.

He does not have the pulse on being able to review this kind of movie anymore.

He's too far removed from the average theater goer's take on what this kind of movie is about.

He gave TF1 3 outta 4 stars, yet somehow in less than 2 years his brain turned into linguine and he doesn’t know how to review a movie…Jesus Skywalker, you people…

You people?

I'm sorry, would you like to be more specific?

I've been in two full theaters now seeing this film, both of which had lines forming 2 hours before the showing and people clapping both for Prime's resurrection and the finale of the film.

Us people seemed to have a pretty good time watching the film.

I don't care if it has been two years or ten years. I don't think the man knows how to review action movies anymore.

You people...indeed.

Counterpunch wrote:

wingdarkness wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:Ebert gave Cloverfield a good review, how anyone gives value to his opinion after that is a mystery to me.

Yup.

He does not have the pulse on being able to review this kind of movie anymore.

He's too far removed from the average theater goer's take on what this kind of movie is about.

He gave TF1 3 outta 4 stars, yet somehow in less than 2 years his brain turned into linguine and he doesn’t know how to review a movie…Jesus Skywalker, you people…

You people?

I'm sorry, would you like to be more specific?

I've been in two full theaters now seeing this film, both of which had lines forming 2 hours before the showing and people clapping both for Prime's resurrection and the finale of the film.

Us people seemed to have a pretty good time watching the film.

I don't care if it has been two years or ten years. I don't think the man knows how to review action movies anymore.

You people...indeed.

I’m not talking about the borg collective that’s lining up around corners to see this….I’m talking about anyone who wants to dismiss the ratings of a critic as “out of touch” or idiotic, when he actually gave the first movie in the series a decent if not high praise…I personally thought he was more outta his mind praising the first movie, but now he’s some old-guy with dementia when he reviews part 2? I’m just saying be real…I have no probs with people saying, “I like ridiculous superficial action movies, with hawt chicks, screw plot or whatever...” These people are golden with me, it’s when the people who tout this claim try and relate it with logic for why a movie doesn’t need plot or that anyone who wants plot or characterizations wants Academy Award level stuff when we just want stuff that makes decent sense…

I’ve lost, I already know this movie is gonna pwn money-wise no matter what cathartic jolt I get outta exposing Bay, but if you try to play Ebert (or any critic) out like out of touch idiots who hate all Summer Movies or as if Ebert’s a senile old man, play him out when he praised the first movie aswell…

wingdarkness wrote:I’m not talking about the borg collective that’s lining up around corners to see this…

Why does it have to be like this?

I mean, the rest of your post is good conversation.

^I don’t mean to be mean, I’m just frustrated is all…It’s sad to let something like this frustrate me so much….I am indeed imperfect…

I don't care what the guy thinks. I haven't seen the movie yet, but I'm sure I'll love it even more than the first one. Oh--and thanks for locking my thread in the other forum guys! Appreciate it!

Optimus Schtool wrote:I don't care what the guy thinks. I haven't seen the movie yet, but I'm sure I'll love it even more than the first one. Oh--and thanks for locking my thread in the other forum guys! Appreciate it!

Dude, there was already a thread. It's not like they were singling you out.

Wingdarkness your whole argument seems to be based upon the fact that Mr. Ebert gave the first film a good review; It has been generally known for some time that the editorial reviews of movie critics have been rather hit and miss making them rather unreliable to any who are not sheep to the opinions of others...

Even a blind man taking shots in the dark will occasionally hit the bulls-eye.

wingdarkness wrote:^I don’t mean to be mean, I’m just frustrated is all…It’s sad to let something like this frustrate me so much….I am indeed imperfect…

You're frustrated? What about "people like me" who have to read your posts which fall just a hairline short of out right insulting the intelligence of those who actually enjoyed the movie?

Maybe you'd be less frustrated if you made your point and moved on instead of going from thread to thread repeatedly going on about how you dislike the movie, how much you dislike Bay and as I said, fall short of insulting the intelligence of those who enjoyed it.

You make good posts dude, I won't fault you on that, you present your case well but repetition doesn't help it and if it's frustrating you then yeah, move on or at the very least take a step back.

Burn wrote:

wingdarkness wrote:^I don’t mean to be mean, I’m just frustrated is all…It’s sad to let something like this frustrate me so much….I am indeed imperfect…

You're frustrated? What about "people like me" who have to read your posts which fall just a hairline short of out right insulting the intelligence of those who actually enjoyed the movie?

Maybe you'd be less frustrated if you made your point and moved on instead of going from thread to thread repeatedly going on about how you dislike the movie, how much you dislike Bay and as I said, fall short of insulting the intelligence of those who enjoyed it.

You make good posts dude, I won't fault you on that, you present your case well but repetition doesn't help it and if it's frustrating you then yeah, move on or at the very least take a step back.

@Burn - How do you think I feel aswell? I have to read 1000 comments a day talking about how great this was and how I’m a flake for wanting a decent plot, or how G1 people are pathetic…I’m a dust particle on the TF2 matrix of leadership right now…Soon I’ll fade outta existence, but I just saw the movie yesterday (Was kidnapped by my friend really) and I gotta exhaust my tank before I ride off into the loneliness that is the G1 fandom…I’m not insulting anyone who plain admits they just wanna see a popcorn flick with mindless action, and a few hawt-babes (If not HUMANFORMER decipticon babes)…But it’s hard for me to sit back and here people rationalize that into making others’ believe that this is the best TF has to offer for the big screen…

You know how forum fandom works Burn, like you said in a minute the tidal wave will drown me out anyways…All I have is my peace of mind and the hopes that maybe talking about this will bare something…

wingdarkness wrote:or how G1 people are pathetic…

I really don't see this happening.

I liked the movie, but I would have to agree with wingdarkness so far as saying if you're not a fan of Transformers or mega-action films, chances are VERY slim that you'll like this movie. It has plenty to offer, but a thought provoking plot or meaningful character development that sucks you in are NOT on the list...well, characters anyone not into Transformers would give a damn about anyhow. Again, I liked the film, but I can understand wingdarkness' point.

Counterpunch wrote:

wingdarkness wrote:or how G1 people are pathetic…

I really don't see this happening.

^ What he said.

It's a comment I see all too often as well, and yet I rarely see "G1 people" getting ridiculed.

And shock horror, i'm actually one of those who grew up with G1.

I will agree that it's a two way street and we've been preaching to respect the opinions of others, and I think you're one of the few who disliked the movie who have actually done that.

Give it a couple of weeks and this will all blow over and everyone will move back to worshipping ALL aspects of TF instead of centreing on one series.

Tons of people seem like it, Just not critics. I mean if people hated the first one, why would this movie be breaking records for wednesday openings? It baffles me more than Rotten Tommatoes had 21% up by second day, but like how many people hated the first one that much would bother go see it at midnight or the opening day? Just looks like people making more noise than is really there.

The Theather cheered and clapped when the movie ended. Everyone I know who saw it liked it, and enjoyed the first one. One Dj at local radio station had people call in who saw it, and all them were giving postive reviews. Since he was like the reviews been awful, what you guys who saw it think.

I went with my niece(10) and nephew(7), my mom (someone help rein the lil ones) and one of my buddies. The kidos were like awesome, as they loved it. They laughed at alot of the jokes and few silly things. (like the opening appliance army, which looked like a sharkticon in there heh) I think its fairly safe take kids to, if they saw first they can handle the second.

I was thrilled, as they got alot more of the stuff right. Prime was every bit the hero from our childhood. Starscream and Megatron are up to their old games again. Soundwave seemed be the go to guy, he might not been fighting, but he was definitely one of megatrons most competent soldiers. aside from supporting botts lacking some screen time kicking major butt, and lack of surviving cons besides the trinity.

I dont care what the critics said. I loved it, and wanna see it again in Imax. My best friend and I promised we do that since we went for the first movie. It was worth the wait as revenge was indeed sweet.

wingdarkness wrote:
I’m not talking about the borg collective that’s lining up around corners to see this….I’m talking about anyone who wants to dismiss the ratings of a critic as “out of touch” or idiotic, when he actually gave the first movie in the series a decent if not high praise…I personally thought he was more outta his mind praising the first movie, but now he’s some old-guy with dementia when he reviews part 2? I’m just saying be real…I have no probs with people saying, “I like ridiculous superficial action movies, with hawt chicks, screw plot or whatever...” These people are golden with me, it’s when the people who tout this claim try and relate it with logic for why a movie doesn’t need plot or that anyone who wants plot or characterizations wants Academy Award level stuff when we just want stuff that makes decent sense…

Its a catch 22 man. This thread is proof of that. Chances are if Ebert liked the movie, the OP would not have bothered to start this thread. People will always dismiss a critics opinion, especially if it differs from theirs. Me personally, i don't care if he would have given it 1 or 5 stars. I make up my own mind when it comes to what i want to watch. I generally never agree with critics comments on movies anyways. So if they don't like it,chances are i know i will!

wingdarkness wrote:I’ve lost, I already know this movie is gonna pwn money-wise no matter what cathartic jolt I get outta exposing Bay, but if you try to play Ebert (or any critic) out like out of touch idiots who hate all Summer Movies or as if Ebert’s a senile old man, play him out when he praised the first movie as well…

well the problem is, (well this is just my opinion) that he really doesn't know what to look for in a movie like this. I mean one of his complaints for this flick was there was "To focused on the bots, and not enough human story".
Wasn't that one of the biggest complaints of the first movie? To many humans, and not enough bots? It does make it a bit harder to take anything he says regarding this movie with a grain of salt.

exposing Bay.....wow. now the next goal is to expose the screenwriters. that might be a better place to start if people don't like the story

Hey Wingdarkness!!! You are not alone. I just saw the film last night with my girlfriend. It was my first chance to see it and I purposely avoided any reviews/spoilers/conversations so nothing would taint my opinion of the movie. I loved the first movie. It wasn't perfect but it was a GREAT revisiting of the G1 show I grew up with and loved. Fantastic action sequences, comedy scenes that were funny, and all the Autobots were properly heroic and Decepticons predictably naughty. I went to one of the best movie theaters in Los Angeles with digital projection and THX sound. Sat center balcony so I could take in the enormity of what I was about to see. There were about 30 people in the theater which is to say, it was practically empty. But I figured it was a Sunday night and the movie has been out for 3 weeks so maybe that was why.

To my dismay, Mr. Ebert was right.

And you are right wingdarkness.

And begging everyone's pardon, it is not a matter of opinion. An opinion is saying I like Oranges and you like Apples. That's fine. Not everyone likes the same kind of movies.

But movies are stories. Stories need to make some sense. I can suspend my disbelief and pretend that robots can turn into cars and Darth Vader built C-3PO. (actually I can't do the latter, but that's another website)
I'm sad guys. I'm not angry anymore. I'm disappointed because the first film PROVED that a sci-fi film based on a toy does not need to rely on potty humor to please children and adolescents. It proved that our military does not need to be incompetent whenever it encounters an alien race for the first time. It proved that robots can have individual personalities and don't even need a voice to convey emotion.

Am I being a snob? All I'm asking for is a little continuity. I never expected an Oscar worthy film. I expected a movie worthy of The Transformers saga. A movie where I care about our heroes. I want a movie where the protagonists are in REAL danger. It is perfectly fine for an Autobot to be dropped by helicopter 400 feet to the ground and survive. It is not ok for a sub-compact with 3 passengers to do the same with no casualties.
It is not o.k. to introduce a female Terminator into the film. I know, I know they are called Pretenders, settle down. But I found that out by reading a blog on a website NOT because the movie explained it. And why can't any other Decepticons do that?
It's just lazy film making folks. I'm not going to sit here and enumerate all the things I thought were wrong with the movie. wingdarkness has covered most of it and has received a lot of heat for it.

Which brings me to why I'm even posting this in the first place. I came here expecting to see scores of fans flaming this movie and being outraged at what has become of the franchise. Instead I see a majority defending it!

The most common defense sounds something like: "Dude, it's just a movie. Relax."

I don't understand how all the defenders of this movie can call themselves fans. I'm a HUUUGE Star Wars fan for example. There's stupid $hit all over those movies. And as a fan I recognize them and am willing to debate them with anybody. But you guys aren't even debating!

Every generation has it's cartoon. Some guys had Superfriends, some had Ninja Turtles, and some had Pokemon. Transformers is mine. and like wingdarkness said:

...It's not like TF-live movie is ever gonna come out for the first time ever again for me…

That's why I care. That's why I'm mad (aside from the $24 I'll never see again). That's why I'm writing. And that's why I'm going to show my girlfriend the Transformers movie from '86. To show her that a kid's cartoon with crappy animation and cheesy music can have a better plot and better characters than a multi-million dollar film.



But don't take it from me. Just ask Stewie. This is EXACTLY what I mean.:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/72494/family- ... -4,vclip,1

The Aurickle wrote: But you guys aren't even debating!

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