What's the point? - Character discussion thread

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What's the point? - Character discussion thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:49 am

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This guy, gave me the idea for this thread. To talk about the characters that, upon being introduced, generally have nothing done with them. Those that typically receive no character development, beyond a gimmick and their overall aesthetic never changes. The further question being should they be expanded on?

So aside from looking/sounding cool, what's the point of Blurr?
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Postby blackeyedprime » Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:28 pm

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to generally die brutally in the shows aimed at younger audiences be it squished by shockwave or catching cosmic covid, plus he looked cool in animated. Also I think he was a crossover character for RID2015 and rescue bots so he gets around.
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Re: What's the point? - Character discussion thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:09 am

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To be fair, that Animated death was a highlight of the series. The backpeddling after the fact, was a bit pathetic though.

But, as you've described, that's kind of the point. Other than being the Transformers equivalent of this guy:

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Where is the fleshed out characterisation? What are his defining arcs?
For one of the new characters introduced via The Movie, he is arguably the most underutilised. Even Wheelie has had more done with him.
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Re: What's the point? - Character discussion thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:11 pm

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Yeah you would think that someone with crazy speed would merit a few of his own spotlight episodes. I don't even remember him doing anything in the G1 comics either, I'm not sure about IDW, I didn't start reading until 2012.

He's basically the Quicksilver of Transformers, it would have been awesome to see him in Bayverse doing similar stuff to Cons that Quicksilver did in X-Men.
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Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:05 am

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His point is his speed and sounding very annoying.
Not caring about scale since 1984. Just like Hasbro.
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Re: What's the point? - Character discussion thread

Postby Sculyblast » Sun Dec 19, 2021 7:02 am

I do think this is a more interesting question in general.

We want to escape a world where there are only 4 Transformers (Megatron, Starscream, Bumblebee and Prime).
Now we can scale that up a little, but you get stuck with the problem that a New Transformers series will not be interesting if it is just another iteration of the 12 characters we already know.

Especially for toysales we therefore need to introduce new characters. But a show with over 50 characters becomes unwieldy. I sincerely cannot describe a difference in personality between the protectobots Streetwise and Groove.

I personally would like to see more of what Transformers Animated tried to do. Make Optimus prime the president of all autobots (In Animated this was Ultra Magnus), and focus the storyline on a younger subcommander and his Team.

But yeah, What is the use of Cosmos, Skids, Hoist, Dirge, Reflector #2, Predacon Raserclaw?
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Re: What's the point? - Character discussion thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:15 am

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Getting into the wider world, it is easy to just point to a character and say "new toy", "redesign of an old toy", "new gimmick".

But when it comes to the headliners. I think that poses the real food for thought. Kicking off 2022 with This guy, for example:

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So he's "cool". But what else? Some fiction he dies, most he doesn't. But for one of the original cast, he has been sidelined by more new media than many other big names. Similar to Blurr, Jazz' character development and noteworthy arcs are ...limited. He mostly seems to be a wallflower, a visual cameo. So why is he considered a fan favourite or is it just for being "cool"?
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Re: What's the point? - Character discussion thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Jan 03, 2022 7:19 pm

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I can only give you my take on it, I don't speak for other fans. I think it's because he's an original and memorable character. He's 1 of whom I consider the "top 10" of OG Autobots: Prime, Ironhide, Ratchet, Jazz, Bumblebee, Cliffjumper, Sideswipe, Prowl, Mirage and Wheeljack. You might consider others, but to me when someone says "G1 cast," these guys pop into my head. Basically, I think to most fans Jazz is a made bot. Add to that his personality and memorable appearance in TF:TM, and you got a character that lives forever, even if he doesn't get used much.
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Re: What's the point? - Character discussion thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Tue Jan 04, 2022 2:38 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:I can only give you my take on it, I don't speak for other fans. I think it's because he's an original and memorable character. He's 1 of whom I consider the "top 10" of OG Autobots: Prime, Ironhide, Ratchet, Jazz, Bumblebee, Cliffjumper, Sideswipe, Prowl, Mirage and Wheeljack. You might consider others, but to me when someone says "G1 cast," these guys pop into my head. Basically, I think to most fans Jazz is a made bot. Add to that his personality and memorable appearance in TF:TM, and you got a character that lives forever, even if he doesn't get used much.



That's what I find so confusing. I read that a lot. But Hasbro and Takara have consistently used him less and less. Unlike the other names you mentioned.
Was that because of the passing of Scatman Crothers? Did Sunbow have a plan for Post-Movie Jazz?? He's never established in canon or toy as being upgraded into a Head/Target/Powermaster. So maybe, maybe not??

As an aside, beyond a cancelled Laser Cycle, his entire line has an almost unparalleled level of consistency.

Even IDWverse seemed to not know what to do with him and just slowly phased him out. The last time I can think of he was effectively used onscreen was Animated. But again they didn't do much with him.

I recall the Marvel run, one of my favourite stories: Rhythms of Darkness. He's in it. So although an alt-future, Furman tells us he survives into the post Movie years. But, once again, he's just there.
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Re: What's the point? - Character discussion thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Jan 04, 2022 6:10 pm

Motto: "Individual freedom above all else."
Honestly I was most surprised by IDW not using him much. He should have bern 1 of those characters that was in like every issue. I would have liked to see him be on the Lost Light as part of Rodimus's inner circle their personalities were a lot alike.
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