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Rundas Prime wrote:

deathy wrote:

Rundas Prime wrote:Alright Deathy, technically the figure itself was only 9.99, I merged the 9.99 shipping cost and rounded to the next whole number for easy reading.

I went on Ebay one day and saw him right there, seeing such a figure for so cheap and a seller having such positive feedback, I of course purchased without a second thought.

The seller soon messaged me saying that he intended to list it for higher.

Ebay gave it to me for the online asking price because they figured a seller of his experience should have noticed such a blunder.

I had no complaints because personally I hate it when someone buys out the whole Wal-Mart with the intention of charging ludicrous prices of fair internet goers.

To answer other various questions, it is a TRU exclusive, not Takara. No, I'm not lying. and yes, I'd love to high-five you, I'm not ugly.(I don't think.)

Sorry,I still find it hard to believe this story. Because I did weeks worth of ebay research on the starting prices of Hasbro's MP Rodimus. I didn't see any ebay sellers listing MP Rodimus for around nor under $9.99.

FWIW,Hasbro's MP Rodimus is a extremly popular selling toy on ebay right now. If such a $9.99 starting listing price existed & the seller had positive feedbacks with a high score. their would have been a few bids raising that price to around or over retail price.

Can you perhaps provide proof,like a ebay link with the auction you won?

BTW,FWIW,Ebay can't force the ebay sellers to do anything they don't want to. Ebay doesn't drive to the sellers house,grab the toy,throw it in a shipping box & mail it out to the buyer. in the end it's up to the buyer if they want to pay for the item. in the end it's up to the seller if they want to let the buyer have it or not.

Very well, deathy, I will show you the money or... lack thereof.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Masterpiece-Rod ... 2eb7967c14

THIS ebay link still doesn't prove anything.....

Because it's super easy to stage & rigg ebay auctions. theirs thousands upon thousands of TF fans on the internet that talk on line & make friends with each other. fans also meet up at botcon's convention.

It's not hard for two TF fans together & stage a ebay auction. to try to trick or impress the other on-line TF fans

deathy wrote:

Rundas Prime wrote:

deathy wrote:

Rundas Prime wrote:Alright Deathy, technically the figure itself was only 9.99, I merged the 9.99 shipping cost and rounded to the next whole number for easy reading.

I went on Ebay one day and saw him right there, seeing such a figure for so cheap and a seller having such positive feedback, I of course purchased without a second thought.

The seller soon messaged me saying that he intended to list it for higher.

Ebay gave it to me for the online asking price because they figured a seller of his experience should have noticed such a blunder.

I had no complaints because personally I hate it when someone buys out the whole Wal-Mart with the intention of charging ludicrous prices of fair internet goers.

To answer other various questions, it is a TRU exclusive, not Takara. No, I'm not lying. and yes, I'd love to high-five you, I'm not ugly.(I don't think.)

Sorry,I still find it hard to believe this story. Because I did weeks worth of ebay research on the starting prices of Hasbro's MP Rodimus. I didn't see any ebay sellers listing MP Rodimus for around nor under $9.99.

FWIW,Hasbro's MP Rodimus is a extremly popular selling toy on ebay right now. If such a $9.99 starting listing price existed & the seller had positive feedbacks with a high score. their would have been a few bids raising that price to around or over retail price.

Can you perhaps provide proof,like a ebay link with the auction you won?

BTW,FWIW,Ebay can't force the ebay sellers to do anything they don't want to. Ebay doesn't drive to the sellers house,grab the toy,throw it in a shipping box & mail it out to the buyer. in the end it's up to the buyer if they want to pay for the item. in the end it's up to the seller if they want to let the buyer have it or not.

Very well, deathy, I will show you the money or... lack thereof.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Masterpiece-Rod ... 2eb7967c14

THIS ebay link still doesn't prove anything.....

Because it's super easy to stage & rigg ebay auctions. theirs thousands upon thousands of TF fans on the internet that talk on line & make friends with each other. fans also meet up at botcon's convention.

It's not hard for two TF fans together & stage a ebay auction. to try to trick or impress the other on-line TF fans

SORRY,I just find it extremly hard to believe that a 7 day bay auction from a ebay seller with over 400+ positive feedbacks & no negatives. featuring the most popular ebay auction right now, Hasbro MP Rodimus would be have a starting bid of $9.99 & only get & win with one bid.

if anyone thinks i'm making a mountain out of a mole hill or i'm exaggerrating. then please go to ebay & study a few hasbro mp rodimus auctions for a few days/weeks.

Is this really that important to you? I mean, even if he's lying, so what?

RhA wrote:

deathy wrote:

Rundas Prime wrote:

deathy wrote:

Rundas Prime wrote:Alright Deathy, technically the figure itself was only 9.99, I merged the 9.99 shipping cost and rounded to the next whole number for easy reading.

I went on Ebay one day and saw him right there, seeing such a figure for so cheap and a seller having such positive feedback, I of course purchased without a second thought.

The seller soon messaged me saying that he intended to list it for higher.

Ebay gave it to me for the online asking price because they figured a seller of his experience should have noticed such a blunder.

I had no complaints because personally I hate it when someone buys out the whole Wal-Mart with the intention of charging ludicrous prices of fair internet goers.

To answer other various questions, it is a TRU exclusive, not Takara. No, I'm not lying. and yes, I'd love to high-five you, I'm not ugly.(I don't think.)

Sorry,I still find it hard to believe this story. Because I did weeks worth of ebay research on the starting prices of Hasbro's MP Rodimus. I didn't see any ebay sellers listing MP Rodimus for around nor under $9.99.

FWIW,Hasbro's MP Rodimus is a extremly popular selling toy on ebay right now. If such a $9.99 starting listing price existed & the seller had positive feedbacks with a high score. their would have been a few bids raising that price to around or over retail price.

Can you perhaps provide proof,like a ebay link with the auction you won?

BTW,FWIW,Ebay can't force the ebay sellers to do anything they don't want to. Ebay doesn't drive to the sellers house,grab the toy,throw it in a shipping box & mail it out to the buyer. in the end it's up to the buyer if they want to pay for the item. in the end it's up to the seller if they want to let the buyer have it or not.

Very well, deathy, I will show you the money or... lack thereof.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Masterpiece-Rod ... 2eb7967c14

THIS ebay link still doesn't prove anything.....

Because it's super easy to stage & rigg ebay auctions. theirs thousands upon thousands of TF fans on the internet that talk on line & make friends with each other. fans also meet up at botcon's convention.

It's not hard for two TF fans together & stage a ebay auction. to try to trick or impress the other on-line TF fans

SORRY,I just find it extremly hard to believe that a 7 day bay auction from a ebay seller with over 400+ positive feedbacks & no negatives. featuring the most popular ebay auction right now, Hasbro MP Rodimus would be have a starting bid of $9.99 & only get & win with one bid.

if anyone thinks i'm making a mountain out of a mole hill or i'm exaggerrating. then please go to ebay & study a few hasbro mp rodimus auctions for a few days/weeks.

Is this really that important to you? I mean, even if he's lying, so what?

It's human nature to do research on something & pull out our detective kits. and get fascinated by trying to solve a case.

Yes,it's important to me. because nothing adds up about this situation. everything seemed fishy from the start & got more fishier with the more research I did.

I did further research by re-clinking on that ebay link & found more puzzling stuff:

The ebay seller had a Starting Price of US $1.00 on Sep-02-11 14:56:41 PDT. with a buy it now of US $9.99.

Then about 24 minutes later at around 15:21:30 PDT,a buyer clicks the buy it now of $9.99 & wins the ebay auction.

the ebay auction in that link started at the most horrible time at around 5:56 pm on the far east coast of america or if you live on the west coast of america the ebay auction starting time would be 2:56 pm.
these are just horrible times to start ebay auctions as they end at the same exact times. 5:56 on the east coast of america is dinner time for a family. 2:56 pm on the west coast of america most people are still at work or school. WHY WOULD a ebay seller with over 400+ feedbacks & a ebay seller since 1999. pick such a horrible start time & end time.
most veteran ebay sellers pick the best time when most people are home bidding on ebay.

Why would a EXPERINCED ebay seller with over 400+ feedbacks & no negatives & 12 years being on ebay. list a starting bid of $1.00 on the most popular ebay auction right now hasbro mp rodimus. why would the ebay seller list a buy it now of only $9.99.

Sorry,just check out ebay. most ebay sellers are not listing mp rodimus for a $1.00 starting bid & also a buy it now of only $9.99. then list the auction at the most worse times of the day. most of the ebay auctions with Hasbro MP Rodiumus have starting bids of over $50.00. with some "buy it now's" of over $65.00

I did further research on the ebay seller in this thread/link. I looked at over 20+ ebay auctions that ended & showed up in his feedback page. 20+ auctions ending from this seller reveal. this seller is a beyond experienced ebay seller who always list MISB TF toys with the the starting listing price of what he paid for the item at a retail store or at botcon of from the TFCC club. this ebay seller in this thread/link doesn't list MISB TF stuff for lower prices than he paid for them at retail stores or at botcon or from the TFCC club or from on-line purchases. he dosen't do $1.00 starting listing bids on ebay & $9.99 buy it nows for items that cost him more than 85% to 95% from the retail store,botcon,tfcc or on-line.

the ebay seller didn't make one mistake,he made 3 big mistakes. for a veteran ebay seller with 12 years experience & over 400+ positive feedback & no negatives. and the fact he has a track record of listing MISB stuff for what he paid for them. this is just too hard to believe this seller would make these 3 major mistake by accident in a singular ebay auction.

Sorry I don't believe this ebay seller actually sold the buyer this item for $9.99 plus $9.99 in shipping which equals $19.98. this is most likely a pretend ebay auction between two friends. just to get a few laughs from the responses in this thread. and to compete with other TF fans by saying " I paid less for this item than you."

Because ebay is known for shill bidding. buyers rarely or never win a ebay auction for 85% less than the item cost at retail stores prices like in this thread/ebay link.

most of the time if a ebay seller bought a item from a retail store. for the sole purpose of putting it on ebay a few hours/days later. the ebay seller will have a stating bid of what the item cost him at the store a few hours/days before. hardly any ebay seller wants to sell something for less then he paid for the item a few hours/days before. not only does the seller lose money on the item,he also has to pay ebay fees & paypal fees & now a percentage of the shipping fees.

My wife has managed to buy several hat figures for me that are far below what everyone else was asking. A few of these include (and I am giving you a round about price as I cannot recall EXACTLY what the price was)

Generations/classics iron hide 20.00
classics galvatron undertwenty dollars
generations thundercracker 12.00
universe grimlock 12.00


There are several others that we got for super cheap compared to the other ebay auctions. I will have to go back and check our ebay history. I want to say I got my skywarp jazz and prowl super cheap but I cand recall for sure.
Sometimes people get lucky. I dont see why anyone would go through the trouble of setting up a fake auction so that someone could "win" a MP rod for cheap with the only bennefiet being bragging rights. I mean beyond a "congrats" or a "well done" perhaps a "lucky dog" Who would realy care?
I dont know about the guy in question but I hate being called a liar. I would think it to be especially annoying if I were only trying to share what should be a good experience with the rest of the trans community only to be called a liar.
If you are wrong You may want to concider an apology. Just something to think about.
Have a good one.

Let it go..

hey deathy youve yet to respond to your brave max misb for 100$ until you provide proof of this claim maybe you should quit trying to call out the integrity of others.


on topic many have purchased a figure for far less than retail on ebay.
and since you admit to buying multiples and reselling them online you should quit calling the kettle black and just let the matter go. just saying




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this one started for 20 so it is possible unless of course you think this is rigged as well http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hasbro-Transfor ... 25679a6bbd

alternator77 wrote:hey deathy youve yet to respond to your brave max misb for 100$ until you provide proof of this claim maybe you should quit trying to call out the integrity of others.

on topic many have purchased a figure for far less than retail on ebay.
and since you admit to buying multiples and reselling them online you should quit calling the kettle black and just let the matter go. just saying

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this one started for 20 so it is possible unless of course you think this is rigged as well http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hasbro-Transfor ... 25679a6bbd

sir,here is all the proof you/I need. here's a few link to usenet's google ATT threads that were posted in june 2000.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys ... f9f7d8e7e5

I don't usually sell stuff on ebay for a profit nor make a living off it. I've been getting frustrated with those botcon profit guys & those last wave RTS Profit guys. so i decided to throw my hat in the ring on a temporary basis & sell 6 Hasbro mp rodimus,to get a few bucks & to get my mp rodimus for free.

ebay is well known for shill bidding. fans have documented & caught sellers in the act.

deathy wrote:

RhA wrote:

deathy wrote:

Rundas Prime wrote:

deathy wrote:

Rundas Prime wrote:Alright Deathy, technically the figure itself was only 9.99, I merged the 9.99 shipping cost and rounded to the next whole number for easy reading.

I went on Ebay one day and saw him right there, seeing such a figure for so cheap and a seller having such positive feedback, I of course purchased without a second thought.

The seller soon messaged me saying that he intended to list it for higher.

Ebay gave it to me for the online asking price because they figured a seller of his experience should have noticed such a blunder.

I had no complaints because personally I hate it when someone buys out the whole Wal-Mart with the intention of charging ludicrous prices of fair internet goers.

To answer other various questions, it is a TRU exclusive, not Takara. No, I'm not lying. and yes, I'd love to high-five you, I'm not ugly.(I don't think.)

Sorry,I still find it hard to believe this story. Because I did weeks worth of ebay research on the starting prices of Hasbro's MP Rodimus. I didn't see any ebay sellers listing MP Rodimus for around nor under $9.99.

FWIW,Hasbro's MP Rodimus is a extremly popular selling toy on ebay right now. If such a $9.99 starting listing price existed & the seller had positive feedbacks with a high score. their would have been a few bids raising that price to around or over retail price.

Can you perhaps provide proof,like a ebay link with the auction you won?

BTW,FWIW,Ebay can't force the ebay sellers to do anything they don't want to. Ebay doesn't drive to the sellers house,grab the toy,throw it in a shipping box & mail it out to the buyer. in the end it's up to the buyer if they want to pay for the item. in the end it's up to the seller if they want to let the buyer have it or not.

Very well, deathy, I will show you the money or... lack thereof.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Masterpiece-Rod ... 2eb7967c14

THIS ebay link still doesn't prove anything.....

Because it's super easy to stage & rigg ebay auctions. theirs thousands upon thousands of TF fans on the internet that talk on line & make friends with each other. fans also meet up at botcon's convention.

It's not hard for two TF fans together & stage a ebay auction. to try to trick or impress the other on-line TF fans

SORRY,I just find it extremly hard to believe that a 7 day bay auction from a ebay seller with over 400+ positive feedbacks & no negatives. featuring the most popular ebay auction right now, Hasbro MP Rodimus would be have a starting bid of $9.99 & only get & win with one bid.

if anyone thinks i'm making a mountain out of a mole hill or i'm exaggerrating. then please go to ebay & study a few hasbro mp rodimus auctions for a few days/weeks.

Is this really that important to you? I mean, even if he's lying, so what?

It's human nature to do research on something & pull out our detective kits. and get fascinated by trying to solve a case.

Yes,it's important to me. because nothing adds up about this situation. everything seemed fishy from the start & got more fishier with the more research I did.

I did further research by re-clinking on that ebay link & found more puzzling stuff:

The ebay seller had a Starting Price of US $1.00 on Sep-02-11 14:56:41 PDT. with a buy it now of US $9.99.

Then about 24 minutes later at around 15:21:30 PDT,a buyer clicks the buy it now of $9.99 & wins the ebay auction.

the ebay auction in that link started at the most horrible time at around 5:56 pm on the far east coast of america or if you live on the west coast of america the ebay auction starting time would be 2:56 pm.
these are just horrible times to start ebay auctions as they end at the same exact times. 5:56 on the east coast of america is dinner time for a family. 2:56 pm on the west coast of america most people are still at work or school. WHY WOULD a ebay seller with over 400+ feedbacks & a ebay seller since 1999. pick such a horrible start time & end time.
most veteran ebay sellers pick the best time when most people are home bidding on ebay.

Why would a EXPERINCED ebay seller with over 400+ feedbacks & no negatives & 12 years being on ebay. list a starting bid of $1.00 on the most popular ebay auction right now hasbro mp rodimus. why would the ebay seller list a buy it now of only $9.99.

Sorry,just check out ebay. most ebay sellers are not listing mp rodimus for a $1.00 starting bid & also a buy it now of only $9.99. then list the auction at the most worse times of the day. most of the ebay auctions with Hasbro MP Rodiumus have starting bids of over $50.00. with some "buy it now's" of over $65.00

I did further research on the ebay seller in this thread/link. I looked at over 20+ ebay auctions that ended & showed up in his feedback page. 20+ auctions ending from this seller reveal. this seller is a beyond experienced ebay seller who always list MISB TF toys with the the starting listing price of what he paid for the item at a retail store or at botcon of from the TFCC club. this ebay seller in this thread/link doesn't list MISB TF stuff for lower prices than he paid for them at retail stores or at botcon or from the TFCC club or from on-line purchases. he dosen't do $1.00 starting listing bids on ebay & $9.99 buy it nows for items that cost him more than 85% to 95% from the retail store,botcon,tfcc or on-line.

the ebay seller didn't make one mistake,he made 3 big mistakes. for a veteran ebay seller with 12 years experience & over 400+ positive feedback & no negatives. and the fact he has a track record of listing MISB stuff for what he paid for them. this is just too hard to believe this seller would make these 3 major mistake by accident in a singular ebay auction.

Sorry I don't believe this ebay seller actually sold the buyer this item for $9.99 plus $9.99 in shipping which equals $19.98. this is most likely a pretend ebay auction between two friends. just to get a few laughs from the responses in this thread. and to compete with other TF fans by saying " I paid less for this item than you."

Because ebay is known for shill bidding. buyers rarely or never win a ebay auction for 85% less than the item cost at retail stores prices like in this thread/ebay link.

most of the time if a ebay seller bought a item from a retail store. for the sole purpose of putting it on ebay a few hours/days later. the ebay seller will have a stating bid of what the item cost him at the store a few hours/days before. hardly any ebay seller wants to sell something for less then he paid for the item a few hours/days before. not only does the seller lose money on the item,he also has to pay ebay fees & paypal fees & now a percentage of the shipping fees.

Still, what would it matter? The world is any better if you 'expose' the topic starter as a lair? If this topic is started as some sort of elaborate joke, by taking it seriously you're feeding a troll, wouldn't you agree?

Otherwise, if this is all true (and even experienced people make mistakes) you're just taking all the fun out of the thread.

The 'how' of research should not outweigh the 'why' of research.

Getting figures for free because of markups on other fans...

Its this kind of attitude that really makes me want to walk away from collecting altogether. It would be nice to have a circle of fans that actually took care of each other and helped complete everyones collection instead of buying up stock to "get free figs". If its something you love, put sweat into it, put your heart into it. Make it something your proud of because you worked hard to get it, not because you bought out the supply to get rewarded. I understand that there is a downside to commercialism, but honestly, where's the sense of respect for others? If you need to manipulate the game to get free figures because you can't afford them, you probably should put your money elsewhere.


I want to make that circle of fans. I want to make a list of their figures, and what that circle needs. No free figs. No gas refunds. No free shipping. The group would take one hour in a week and hit local stores to see if they can find items on the list. New people would have to find so many on the list to join. Thats the kind of collecting that I think would make things fun again.

bionic_radical wrote:Getting figures for free because of markups on other fans...

Its this kind of attitude that really makes me want to walk away from collecting altogether. It would be nice to have a circle of fans that actually took care of each other and helped complete everyones collection instead of buying up stock to "get free figs". If its something you love, put sweat into it, put your heart into it. Make it something your proud of because you worked hard to get it, not because you bought out the supply to get rewarded. I understand that there is a downside to commercialism, but honestly, where's the sense of respect for others? If you need to manipulate the game to get free figures because you can't afford them, you probably should put your money elsewhere.


I want to make that circle of fans. I want to make a list of their figures, and what that circle needs. No free figs. No gas refunds. No free shipping. The group would take one hour in a week and hit local stores to see if they can find items on the list. New people would have to find so many on the list to join. Thats the kind of collecting that I think would make things fun again.

This is a great idea.

Lets start it up.

bionic_radical wrote:Lets start it up.

I'd be all over it, but I sorta live on the other side of the ocean. The shipping would be batcrap crazy and I'm always 1-3 months behind with new stuff.

BUT! I think your idea has merit, so may I suggest you start up a new topic about it? In this one you're not going to get you very far.

pm comming your way.

RhA wrote:

bionic_radical wrote:Getting figures for free because of markups on other fans...

Its this kind of attitude that really makes me want to walk away from collecting altogether. It would be nice to have a circle of fans that actually took care of each other and helped complete everyones collection instead of buying up stock to "get free figs". If its something you love, put sweat into it, put your heart into it. Make it something your proud of because you worked hard to get it, not because you bought out the supply to get rewarded. I understand that there is a downside to commercialism, but honestly, where's the sense of respect for others? If you need to manipulate the game to get free figures because you can't afford them, you probably should put your money elsewhere.


I want to make that circle of fans. I want to make a list of their figures, and what that circle needs. No free figs. No gas refunds. No free shipping. The group would take one hour in a week and hit local stores to see if they can find items on the list. New people would have to find so many on the list to join. Thats the kind of collecting that I think would make things fun again.

This is a great idea.

i agree your idea seems good.

but their are a few negatives to the idea,I can see as follows:

(1) some/most of us would want to see some sort of feedback or detailed records to see which sellers have good reputations of getting money & shhipping out the items. no one wants to risk shelling out money & getting no stuff in return. most trust ebay because they can view a sellers feedback transactions score & read what fellow buyers had to say about the buyer.

(2) not everyone on this seibertron.com board like to reveal their true identity. some might want to keep their real name & address a secret.
ordering from ebay,amazon & other on-line sites allows the buyers to keep their identities a secret.

(3) expecting people to run around,using up all their gasoline & spare time & not get anything re-imbursed seems kinda selfish & taking advantage of someone. i can sorta understand if gasoline was about $1.00 & everyone had cars that got 50 miles per gallon. but gasoline is around $4.00 per gallon & most cars these days barely get 24 miles per gallon on average. how about the guys spare time,isn't this worth anything? instead of shopping for everyone for hours at a time & running around to stores he could be home relaxing with his family.

(4)How about paypal transaction fees. is the seller autmatically by default expected to pay these fees. when the seller clearly went out of his way to run around shopping for everyone for free? last I checked paypal takes at least $2.00 from the seller for using their paypal site.

(5) shipping fees are very hard to calcuate. some might try to sell you a toy at retail price but try to make up the difference in shipping fees. by charging a few bucks extra in shipping. some are new to the selling game & may over charge in shipping fees because their clueless of shipping cost. if these toys are being sold at retail,I doubt any seller would want to under-estimate the shipping fees then have to pay a few bucks out of their own pocket. the thing with most shipping carriers in america they charge by the distance & weight of the item. the farther away you live in the states,the more shipping cost.

we'd need experienced sellers who know how to ask for a address before a paypal payment is sent. take the address throw it into a shipping carrier calculator. then he'd need a personal scale at home to weigh the item to enter the weight & address into the shipping carrier calculator. then he'd need to email the buyer with the exact shipping quote. once the paypal payment gets sent,the seller would print up the label & ship out the package. THE SELLER WOULD need to be experienced to do this & honest or you'd wind up paying more in shipping by either accident or on purpose.

(6) buyers would be expected to pay tax by default. because this guy ran around all day picking up toys for everyone. and he paid tax. this isn't something th buyer had in hi collection,thi is something he just bought for others & is charging retail prices.

1- Its would have to be a small group built on trust. Its not going to have a ton of people in it, not a network. Like having a few neighbors that are into the same thing you are. If a new member would be brought into the group, the group would have to decide on that as a whole. Feedback and shipping reputations are great notions for starting a business. This isn't that.

2- Keeping your identity secret is fine, like I said, this isn't for everyone. Identity would have to be something you would put out there. I don't understand trusting someone with your cash and hobby before them knowing who you are, but some people are more inclined to go that route, which is fine. Like I said, this isn't for everyone.

3- Using words like "all" or "anything" are dangerous terms to throw around. I don't understand whats selfish about everyone that elects to join a group that goes out for an hour each week to try to cater to said group, actually go out for an hour each week to try to cater to said group. Would you have to burn up fourty miles and cover all the stores in your area? Do what you want, man. I'd go to the local ones to help the group, and Id try to grab anything on the list that we as a group needed. I believe the selfishness and taking advantage of others go more hand in hand with expecting YOUR needs to be fulfilled first, before others, like say, buy a case of MP Rodimus in order to get yourself a free one, dont you?

4- Once again, this is not a business. This would be a group of people that grow to trust one another and as a result, their collections grow. Payment, cash exchanged, checks, whatever, would be decided by the two doing the transaction, or a medium would have to be agreed upon by the group. And when it comes to shopping for everyone else, think of it more of a scavenger hunt that everyone takes an hour in a week to get into and posts results. I think it sounds like fun.

ah you edited your post!!

5- You're right, some shipping fees are hard to calculate, and I really don't like the idea of paypal coming into the equation. Identities should be known of the people in the group. Trust needs to be built in any successful relationship. My suggestion is that the seller sends the item with receipt to the buyer. The buyer then reimburses the seller. I think things would have to start out small at first, and then could build. I would suggest no larger than a twenty dollar purchase in the beginning to anyone in the group at a time. Once an equilibrium had been established, things would have a potential to get larger.

6- And yes, tax is always included in purchases. Thats just the law of the land. You pay tax on an item, youre reimbursed for said tax.

bionic_radical wrote:1- Its would have to be a small group built on trust. Its not going to have a ton of people in it, not a network. Like having a few neighbors that are into the same thing you are. If a new member would be brought into the group, the group would have to decide on that as a whole. Feedback and shipping are great notions for starting a business. This isn't that.

2- Keeping your identity secret is fine, like I said, this isn't for everyone. Identity would have to be something you would put out there. I don't understand trusting someone with your cash and hobby before them knowing who you are, but some people are more inclined to go that route, which is fine. Like I said, this isn't for everyone.

3- Using words like "all" or "anything" are dangerous terms to throw around. I don't understand whats selfish about everyone that elects to join a group that goes out for an hour each week to try to cater to said group, actually go out for an hour each week to try to cater to said group. Would you have to burn up fourty miles and cover all the stores in your area? Do what you want, man. I'd go to the local ones to help the group, and Id try to grab anything on the list that we as a group needed. I believe the selfishness and taking advantage of others go more hand in hand with expecting YOUR needs to be fulfilled first, before others, like say, buy a case of MP Rodimus in order to get yourself a free one, dont you?

4- Once again, this is not a business. This would be a group of people that grow to trust one another and as a result, their collections grow. Payment, cash exchanged, checks, whatever, would be decided by the two doing the transaction, or a medium would have to be agreed upon by the group. And when it comes to shopping for everyone else, think of it more of a scavenger hunt that everyone takes an hour in a week to get into and posts results. I think it sounds like fun.

3-- depending on where you live,not everyone's local stores are under 4 miles away or a short walk away. some of us like myself live in the middle of nowhere where going to these chain stores is literally 15 miles away one way & 30 miles away round trip. depending on the car you drive,you could either get decent gas mileage or horrble gas mileage.

expecting sellers to only charge you retail prices & not expecting buyers to help pay for gasoline,time,tax & paypal transaction fees just seems kinda selfish & taking advantage of fellow fans.

0---- what if certain members in the group never find anything while others always find stuff & keep giving to the certain members in the group who say they never find anything? will this member who can't find anything be tossed out of the group or be caled a liar? have his local stores called by others in the group to confirm he's telling the truth or lying? will their be members in the group casting votes to decide if the guy who never finds anything gets to stay in the group or not? would others be willing to spend gas+time+paypal fees to some who never get them anything? what if some join the group for the sole purpose of saving gas+time & pretend to go toy hunting for others,all in attemps to get a item for retail but save money on gas+time+paypal fees.

bionic_radical wrote:ah you edited your post!!

5- You're right, some shipping fees are hard to calculate, and I really don't like the idea of paypal coming into the equation. Identities should be known of the people in the group. Trust needs to be built in any successful relationship. My suggestion is that the seller sends the item with receipt to the buyer. The buyer then reimburses the seller. I think things would have to start out small at first, and then could build. I would suggest no larger than a twenty dollar purchase in the beginning to anyone in the group at a time. Once an equilibrium had been established, things would have a potential to get larger.

6- And yes, tax is always included in purchases. Thats just the law of the land. You pay tax on an item, youre reimbursed for said tax.

5-- that's not how it works,most sellers want the money first before they even ship out your item.

no seller will go shopping for anyone,waste gas+time. then ship out a item without receiving payment. then wait a few days/weeks for payment to arrive.

paypal transaction fees need to come into the equation. paypal charges at least $2.00 to use their services. money orders cost at least $1.00
sending loose money in a enveople is not reccommended by the post office. getting a check,having it bounce & paying a $25 fee is not somethng sellers would risk. why should the seller be expected to pay for paypal fees or money order fees,if he's running around for free shopping for everyone. not getting re-imbursed for his gas nor time. the paypal fees or money order fees+tax need to be added to the bill the buyer must pay to the seller.

I like the idea of fellow fans looking out for oneanother. I was actually shocked to find that this practice was not more profound here. For whatever reason I thought I would be able to throw out the names of a few figures I needed, perhaps provide a figure that was needed elsewhere as well and a fellow collector would help me out for less than I would have had to pay on pay pal. I was very very wrong.
Reguardless of the unwillingness of other transfans to help out their fellow collectors I have and always will continue to post rare or hard to find figures I have found for cost plus shipping.
I live in a densely populated area with many stores so I donot have the problem of having to drive far to hit a store. I frequently search stores with the sole purpose of finding figures that you guys mat want. I post my findings but for whatever reason I get no responses.
I happened uppon a few t cracker, wheeljack, cup and a warpath a few weeks ago but noone needed them so I returned them to the store.
Anyhow, If this group does get off the ground I would like to be a member. As far as retail goes, Im all caught up with the exception of wreck gar. (and I doubt he can be found retail anymore) I dont mind supplying many fans with figures they need even if it takes me a long while to be on the recieving end of a deal. I will just enjoy knowing that I was able to get a fan a much desired figure at retail price.
I work part time at a walmart and am looking out for scrap heap for a few fans here and would be glad to do the same for any fan who needs one.
We have to take care of each other. We are under constant attack by scalpers, other members and at times even hasbro with their ill numbered case assortments. We have to help each other out here. I would love to make this sight what I thought it would be before I became a member.
Take care all.

deathy wrote:

bionic_radical wrote:1- Its would have to be a small group built on trust. Its not going to have a ton of people in it, not a network. Like having a few neighbors that are into the same thing you are. If a new member would be brought into the group, the group would have to decide on that as a whole. Feedback and shipping are great notions for starting a business. This isn't that.

2- Keeping your identity secret is fine, like I said, this isn't for everyone. Identity would have to be something you would put out there. I don't understand trusting someone with your cash and hobby before them knowing who you are, but some people are more inclined to go that route, which is fine. Like I said, this isn't for everyone.

3- Using words like "all" or "anything" are dangerous terms to throw around. I don't understand whats selfish about everyone that elects to join a group that goes out for an hour each week to try to cater to said group, actually go out for an hour each week to try to cater to said group. Would you have to burn up fourty miles and cover all the stores in your area? Do what you want, man. I'd go to the local ones to help the group, and Id try to grab anything on the list that we as a group needed. I believe the selfishness and taking advantage of others go more hand in hand with expecting YOUR needs to be fulfilled first, before others, like say, buy a case of MP Rodimus in order to get yourself a free one, dont you?

4- Once again, this is not a business. This would be a group of people that grow to trust one another and as a result, their collections grow. Payment, cash exchanged, checks, whatever, would be decided by the two doing the transaction, or a medium would have to be agreed upon by the group. And when it comes to shopping for everyone else, think of it more of a scavenger hunt that everyone takes an hour in a week to get into and posts results. I think it sounds like fun.

3-- depending on where you live,not everyone's local stores are under 4 miles away or a short walk away. some of us like myself live in the middle of nowhere where going to these chain stores is literally 15 miles away one way & 30 miles away round trip. depending on the car you drive,you could either get decent gas mileage or horrble gas mileage.

expecting sellers to only charge you retail prices & not expecting buyers to help pay for gasoline,time,tax & paypal transaction fees just seems kinda selfish & taking advantage of fellow fans.

0---- what if certain members in the group never find anything while others always find stuff & keep giving to the certain members in the group who say they never find anything? will this member who can't find anything be tossed out of the group or be caled a liar? have his local stores called by others in the group to confirm he's telling the truth or lying? will their be members in the group casting votes to decide if the guy who never finds anything gets to stay in the group or not? would others be willing to spend gas+time+paypal fees to some who never get them anything? what if some join the group for the sole purpose of saving gas+time & pretend to go toy hunting for others,all in attemps to get a item for retail but save money on gas+time+paypal fees.

I do like your way of thinking deathy. A sharp eye for detail, always ready and willing to bring out any faults or contradictions that others miss or just don't seem to care about. Perhaps in another life you could've been a great lawyer. But as a few wise individuals have said before, it would be a small organization built on a mutual trust to make sure there are no liars. In my personal opinion, one should not simply be able join this organization freely to get toys, but rather earn the privilege to work together with his fellow transfans. Being too trusting can be a terrible mistake, but seeing the only worst in fellow man will get you nowhere.

It's called the sightings forum! You do this with the local collectors in your area. For me, there's not a lot of people in my area for "my" local sightings thread here, but on another site where there are more active people in my area, we do this very thing...not to mention do group orders from online stores to save on shipping fees or take advantage of TFsource's "buy two and save" option. And then we can meet up in person and not worry about shipping things out or Paypal...

Kibble wrote:It's called the sightings forum! You do this with the local collectors in your area. For me, there's not a lot of people in my area for "my" local sightings thread here, but on another site where there are more active people in my area, we do this very thing...not to mention do group orders from online stores to save on shipping fees or take advantage of TFsource's "buy two and save" option. And then we can meet up in person and not worry about shipping things out or Paypal...

I read threads on various TF realted sites/message boards that TFSource get hacked by hackers various times thru the year. these hackers steal addresses & credit card info. various customers who ordered from TF source complained about charges on their credit cards that didn't come from the owners of the credit cards.

deathy wrote:I read threads on various TF realted sites/message boards that TFSource get hacked by hackers various times thru the year. these hackers steal addresses & credit card info. various customers who ordered from TF source complained about charges on their credit cards that didn't come from the owners of the credit cards.

Paypal... I wouldn't use a credit card there, myself.

Kibble wrote:

deathy wrote:I read threads on various TF realted sites/message boards that TFSource get hacked by hackers various times thru the year. these hackers steal addresses & credit card info. various customers who ordered from TF source complained about charges on their credit cards that didn't come from the owners of the credit cards.

Paypal... I wouldn't use a credit card there, myself.

but if these hackers are hacking away at info from tfsource.com like certain TF fans cliam they are & are victims of. isn't even creating a account their with your address info kinda risky. is the sweet deal worth the trouble of getting hacked by scalpers.

while it might be true the hackers can't hack your paypal account because paypal takes you to another site & has encripted shields againast hackers. can't the hackers at the very least steal your registering address info from TF source.com.

honestly giving any of your info to the hackers isn't something i'd reccommend.

FWIW,I can't confirm TF source gets hacked by hackers,I just read info on this from fellow tf fans who got hacked by hackers on the tfsource.com site.

If you had access to 100s if not 1000s of credit card numbers, why would you waste time with just a name and address? Not to mention if just a name and adress was that valuable, why not just open up the phone book instead of hack into a system for that info?