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WARNING: If you hate the movieverse so much that the title of this post enrages you, or you just want to get people ticked off, it is best you hit the back button right now and do not read on or post anything.

I was just thinking: Dark of the Moon is the absolute last movie. The movies are what reeled me back in to Transformers permanently. Don't take it the wrong way, the movies brought me back to Transformers as a whole, not just exclusively the movie line. I was thinking ahead to the year 2013. The year the movieverse will most likely be killed permanently. To many, this is a great relief and cause for jubilation. To some, it is a period of mourning over the new incarnations of classic characters who have forever impacted our minds and memories of the franchise. I know during that time I will greatly miss them. There will be no new movie to look forward to that year of 2013, unlike the feelings of anticipation fans have felt since the reveal of the very first installment. No new movie, no new two-year toyline to follow for 2013-2014, no related comics. Just another cartoon, and a toyline yet to be announced. Is anyone with me here?

I miss it already. When I think about TF3 being the last movie (the last time we see the Camaro the GMC Topkick truck and all other alt modes of the Transformers) it makes me sad. I'm sure there will be other feature films about Transformers but Bay's unique vision of the TF Universe is gone. I know that many people don't like what Bay did with his movies but I think that he was the perfect director for the part. It's not that easy to make a live action movie based on car toys transforming in robots and to look good. Actually I think that Bay raised the bar very high and I don't believe anyone will make a Transformers live action movie sooner than 2015. Of course there are some rumors that Bay has signed with Hasbro a contract for two more movies but I don't believe it. 5 years working non stop on robot movies is not an easy thing but lets see. Bay is unpredictable so everything is possible.

No.

For the simple fact, there's plenty of other TF related material to keep me entertained.

Burn wrote:No.

For the simple fact, there's plenty of other TF related material to keep me entertained.

I believe most of the new TF related materials were reignited by the movies. So both things are connected.

I'm 100% with you. The reason I collect transformers those days (at the age of 34) are the movies !

As a kid/teenager I was a passionate fan of the G1 cartoon. After the 86 movie however (that I only watched on TV in 89) I lost contact with the Transformers universe and its evolution.

When the the news about the production of the 1st movie started to come out, my interest on TFs was slowly being reborn. But I still had mixed feelings: sometimes very excited, sometimes skeptical. I was afraid TF1 would turn to be a kind of B movie. I couldn't be more wrong ! It was like a dream becoming true: the Transformers of my childhood were transported to the real world. The climax, the moment that touched my heart was the sequence when the autobots arrived on earth as meteors and disguised them selfs as vehicles. I was so touched by the scene and the soundtrack (please don't laugh) that I started to cry at this point ...

I was so impressed and delighted with the CGI designs and the new TF aesthetics that I started to collected the toys.
The G1 cartoon will be forever in my heart as one the favorite TV shows of my childhood. But after the movies, the design of the robots in any past and or future cartoon is of no interest to me.

However, I'm not so pessimistic regarding the future of the Movieverse ...

In some 4 to 6 years from now (keep in mind, computational power doubles approximately every 2 years), I will not be surprised if Hasbro/Paramount announces a Prequel like "War for Cybertron" in a 100% CGI movie.

After that, I would expect the movie trilogy to be released again enriched with more complex CGI scenes and battles. Yes, the TF trilogy will get some steroids: expect more screen time for the robots, more detailed CGI scenes, etc...

And 10 years from now, when the look of cars and trucks is different enough from now, I expect a continuation of the trilogy (NOT A REBOOT). The same characters that survived TF3, but new alternate modes. And maybe Galvatron as the villain of the 2nd trilogy. Even Sam should be back, but as an adult with family, etc...

Albershide wrote:

Burn wrote:No.

For the simple fact, there's plenty of other TF related material to keep me entertained.

I believe most of the new TF related materials were reignited by the movies. So both things are connected.

Yeah? And what, we're going to ignore the 20+ years that came before the movies?

Like I said, plenty of other TF related material to keep me entertained.

Burn wrote:

Albershide wrote:

Burn wrote:No.

For the simple fact, there's plenty of other TF related material to keep me entertained.

I believe most of the new TF related materials were reignited by the movies. So both things are connected.

Yeah? And what, we're going to ignore the 20+ years that came before the movies?

Like I said, plenty of other TF related material to keep me entertained.

I'm not saying to ignore anything. It's a fact that Transformers is living its Renaissance because of the new movies.

And do you see me saying otherwise?

I think you need to go back and read my original post.

OptiMagnus10 wrote:Dark of the Moon is the absolute last movie.

You know this how?

Honestly, I probably won't miss the movies, and not because I think they're blasphemy (which I DON'T) but because 1) if I do get sentimental, I'll just pop in the DVDs and watch them again and 2) given a good ending, it will be satisfying to see a new story with a good beginning and a great ending (and as the saying goes, with those, a LOT is forgiven in between.)

I didn't get hooked on the toys, (except for the Primes, Megatrons, Bludgeon and the ice cream truck) never read any of the comics, I do have the books by Alan Dean Foster (and plan on getting the new ones if he writes them) but I enjoyed the movies, especially the first one. RoTF, I liked for the action and visuals, and hopefully TF3D will just blow us away.

In the end, I go back to my original question: how do you know it's the absolute last one? What if Spielberg decides to be like his buddy Lucas and make 3 more in 15 years? Maybe even with Bay? Never say never. Personally, as long as those no-talent douchebags Orci and Kurtzman aren't attached, I'd like to see Paramount and Bay keep churning them out. (Yes, I know Bay said he was done.)

I like the movies and the movieverse for what it is, but I won't get bummed out if there won't be any more. I'll read the G1 comics again.

I'm already sad that its over. I am also sad that people bash the movie so much until there is nothing left. And in this case, thats litterally what happened. I bet Bay got tired of this ****. I know I would.

Who Else Is Going to MISS the Movieverse in Two Years?

Me.

At first, I was sucked in by the toys. (Ironhide, Ratchet, and Starscream? I mean...they were pretty innovative and definitely different)

Then, the movie impressed me. I was sucked into the universe.
Now? I really can't stand the first movie, and for me it pales in comparison to ROTF, but it laid the groundwork for a reboot universe, and while the stories were thin and close to nonexistent, the characters were great, and some of the elements helped solidify my love for the movieverse.

Sam's a pretty cool human side kick, when you compare him to past offerings. Whiny and annoying sometimes, sure, but we could've done a LOT worse. Lennox and Epps are funny, how can you not like them?

I think, if given a chance with the right writers, the movieverse could've been bigger and better than we all hoped for. TF3 looks like that's the way it was headed, but now...it's too late. It's the end of the trilogy.

The movies were a mixed bag, but the universe they created sucked me in and I enjoy it. I really do. Hell, I wouldn't have a slew of movie toys if I didn't.

I will be honest, I was pissed when Animated and Universe had to be put on the back burner in favor of the movie toys, and I'm not a big fan of that happening with RTS and Generations. (Though, to be fair, we have no idea if they'll do that this time around.)

I'm glad the movieverse came back though. It saddens me to think "Well...this is it. One last movie, and it's over. All over."

Now, it's been stated several times that Hasbro has plans to continue making TF movies. Whether or not they tie into the current movieverse or will be a reboot or what...is yet to be known, but movies will be continuing. We've also had conflicting stories about Bay's involvement. At one point, it was confirmed that he had signed on for FIVE movies, and now they're saying that this is the finale of a trilogy, instead. So, we have no clearcut answer of where this is going.

Maybe we shouldn't even be sad. Maybe the movieverse isn't going anywhere and will be continued with a different director and different cast once Shia leaves (last I heard, he doesn't want to do any more). Who knows?

I think Hasbro would be foolish to reboot the movieverse so soon (say, 2-3 years after DOTM), because people will still be invested in this current one, plus the toys. If they reboot, they'll need a brand new Optimus and crew, brand new designs, brand new toys, brand new everything from top to bottom.

Bay made these movies work. If it wasn't for him, they wouldn't have been as successful. Carrying on where he left off is a smart business decision, at least for the time being. Revamping the whole thing, I would think, would be a risky gamble. Will audiences and fans accept a new movieverse so soon? Will they buy into it? I'm not so sure. TOS Star Trek crew lasted for 8 movies, because people loved it. Even though two of those movies were passing the torch types (Generations and Star Trek '09), people couldn't let go of Kirk and Spock. The Picard movies were great, and I much prefer his era of Trek, but there's no denying that people love them some Kirk and Spock. Same goes for the TF movieverse. People love this Optimus and Bumblebee. I don't think they're ready for a change, yet.

If Hasbro decides to go in a different direction with the movieverse, I think the fourth film should be a passing of the torch type of deal. Maybe they can make it a time travel idea like Trek, which would explain the change in robot designs, people and locations, or bring in Rodimus and crew, rather than a top to bottom revamp.

In any case, for the foreseeable future, the movieverse is ending. And yes, it makes me sad. I've invested a lot of time and money into this universe (not complaining, mind you), and the DVDs and toys will just be painful reminders of what once was, but will never be again.

I know how the G1 fans feel. It sucks.

SlyTF1 wrote:I'm already sad that its over. I am also sad that people bash the movie so much until there is nothing left. And in this case, thats litterally what happened. I bet Bay got tired of this ****. I know I would.

Yeah... gets tired of making millions. I'm sure all of us here get tired of doing that..

Rodimus Prime wrote:

OptiMagnus10 wrote:Dark of the Moon is the absolute last movie.

You know this how?

Honestly, I probably won't miss the movies, and not because I think they're blasphemy (which I DON'T) but because 1) if I do get sentimental, I'll just pop in the DVDs and watch them again and 2) given a good ending, it will be satisfying to see a new story with a good beginning and a great ending (and as the saying goes, with those, a LOT is forgiven in between.)

I didn't get hooked on the toys, (except for the Primes, Megatrons, Bludgeon and the ice cream truck) never read any of the comics, I do have the books by Alan Dean Foster (and plan on getting the new ones if he writes them) but I enjoyed the movies, especially the first one. RoTF, I liked for the action and visuals, and hopefully TF3D will just blow us away.

In the end, I go back to my original question: how do you know it's the absolute last one? What if Spielberg decides to be like his buddy Lucas and make 3 more in 15 years? Maybe even with Bay? Never say never. Personally, as long as those no-talent douchebags Orci and Kurtzman aren't attached, I'd like to see Paramount and Bay keep churning them out. (Yes, I know Bay said he was done.)

I like the movies and the movieverse for what it is, but I won't get bummed out if there won't be any more. I'll read the G1 comics again.

We've already been told over and over that this is the last of the series. Unless everyone at Hasbro, Dreamworks, and Paramountjust want to mess with us, we wil not see a movieverse continuation.

Burn wrote:

Albershide wrote:

Burn wrote:No.

For the simple fact, there's plenty of other TF related material to keep me entertained.

I believe most of the new TF related materials were reignited by the movies. So both things are connected.

Yeah? And what, we're going to ignore the 20+ years that came before the movies?

Like I said, plenty of other TF related material to keep me entertained.

Who said we were ignoring the history? Don't take words out of context. We will miss the movies the same way we miss G1 or any other that may take a special place in the memories of each fan. We will still move on and be captivated by the innovation (at least a few of us may) of the unknown future, but you can't help but think back a little.

I think the uniqueness of the movieverse is what makes us love or hate it.
We get the characters we've come to know very well over the years, except we get to see them in a new, innovative way. The unique personality of each 'bot can make them very memorable and forever etched into our minds. We also get a new human hero, who at first never thought himself to be much. He still has to be almost forced into a higher calling, and still doesn't realize his full potential until near the end of Revenge of the Fallen. Who knows what his role will be in the next installment?
Also, the movies get to introduce us into a way we've never seen Transformers before: Transformers in the real world. We get to see our favorite characters with alt-modes of real life vehicles, who interact with real humans in real places.
We may never see this viewpoint of the franchise again.

OptiMagnus10 wrote:

Burn wrote:

Albershide wrote:

Burn wrote:No.

For the simple fact, there's plenty of other TF related material to keep me entertained.

I believe most of the new TF related materials were reignited by the movies. So both things are connected.

Yeah? And what, we're going to ignore the 20+ years that came before the movies?

Like I said, plenty of other TF related material to keep me entertained.

Who said we were ignoring the history? Don't take words out of context. We will miss the movies the same way we miss G1 or any other that may take a special place in the memories of each fan. We will still move on and be captivated by the innovation (at least a few of us may) of the unknown future, but you can't help but think back a little.

I think you took my words out of context.

Albershide said most of the new TF related materials were reignited by the movies, fair enough, i'm not arguing that. I don't see why it's connected though.

I have twenty plus years of TF stories to keep me entertained, this is why I won't miss the movies because I have plenty of other stuff to watch and read.

I'm a pretty big Movieverse fan so probably yeah but I'll most likely have the movies to remind me of them.
One of the things I like to do is take unique characters and make them movie-fied so whatever TransFormers continues to crank out, I'll most likely still be entertained.

There's a part of me that will miss the movieverse and a part of me that won't. I will most definitely miss the movies themselves and the CGI involved. Some of the things put on film has been amazing, and I don't think there is any way to get around that. I'm not talking about the story so much as the actual images that we have been able to see. Seeing Optimus transform for the first time in the 07 movie was fantastic, and that scene alone helped to get me back into the hobby. If it weren't for the movies, I wouldn't have likely gotten back that child-like sense of wonder that I had all but forgotten about.

As far as the toys, I am glad that I got into collecting the movie line simply because it made me realize 1) how much I love TFs, and 2) what I do and don't like about certain lines. The movie line was what opened the door for me to start collecting again, and now I have a much better understanding of what I want as a person buying these figures. If I hadn't gotten my hands on 07 BB, Barricade, Optimus, and Brawl I don't know if my interest would have been rekindled. It opened me up to find out what I had missed during the years that I paid no attention to TFs and toys in general. Now I know about all these things and get to learn so much interesting stuff about these charaters that I totally missed.....for like 15 years.

So, yes, there will be a lot that I miss about the movieverse and I really don't want to see it go. At the same time, I can't say I am really concerned because there is such a huge pile of information that I am catching up on that I don't think I will have time to worry about whether or not the movieverse is even there.

Burn wrote:

OptiMagnus10 wrote:

Burn wrote:

Albershide wrote:

Burn wrote:No.

For the simple fact, there's plenty of other TF related material to keep me entertained.

I believe most of the new TF related materials were reignited by the movies. So both things are connected.

Yeah? And what, we're going to ignore the 20+ years that came before the movies?

Like I said, plenty of other TF related material to keep me entertained.

Who said we were ignoring the history? Don't take words out of context. We will miss the movies the same way we miss G1 or any other that may take a special place in the memories of each fan. We will still move on and be captivated by the innovation (at least a few of us may) of the unknown future, but you can't help but think back a little.

I think you took my words out of context.

Albershide said most of the new TF related materials were reignited by the movies, fair enough, i'm not arguing that. I don't see why it's connected though.

I have twenty plus years of TF stories to keep me entertained, this is why I won't miss the movies because I have plenty of other stuff to watch and read.

I think Albershide meant that we still see the essence of the original characters in the movie characters, so they are in a way, connected, as all of the continuities are.
And yes I'm still saying we can always be continually entertained, but I think at the same time some of us can't help but think back to what was from time to time. That's why we have the classic lines; to bring back the fond memories of the past, while we still get brand-new innovative lines. You see what I'm getting at Burn?

OptiMagnus10 wrote:I think Albershide meant

Albershide can explain himself.

I think at the same time some of us can't help but think back to what was from time to time. That's why we have the classic lines; to bring back the fond memories of the past, while we still get brand-new innovative lines. You see what I'm getting at Burn?

I understood perfectly what you were saying. Again, go back and read what I was saying.

I'm not going to miss it because I do have all those fond memories of the past to look back on. I'm not going to miss it because it means something else will come along.

Get it yet?

Burn wrote:

OptiMagnus10 wrote:I think Albershide meant

Albershide can explain himself.

I think at the same time some of us can't help but think back to what was from time to time. That's why we have the classic lines; to bring back the fond memories of the past, while we still get brand-new innovative lines. You see what I'm getting at Burn?

I understood perfectly what you were saying. Again, go back and read what I was saying.

I'm not going to miss it because I do have all those fond memories of the past to look back on. I'm not going to miss it because it means something else will come along.

Get it yet?

Yes, I see. I feel the same way. There is always something new to look forward to (or dismiss and not give a chance). But at least in my case, when you're in the middle of having your fun with whatever's current, you can't help but bring out the old toys you come across or think to yourself: Aww man I still wish I got that guy when he was out! I hope they re-release him.

Now do you see what I mean? I'm not saying there is nothing to look forward to. I'm very excited for Prime might I add.

Prime Riblet wrote:There's a part of me that will miss the movieverse and a part of me that won't. I will most definitely miss the movies themselves and the CGI involved. Some of the things put on film has been amazing, and I don't think there is any way to get around that. I'm not talking about the story so much as the actual images that we have been able to see. Seeing Optimus transform for the first time in the 07 movie was fantastic, and that scene alone helped to get me back into the hobby. If it weren't for the movies, I wouldn't have likely gotten back that child-like sense of wonder that I had all but forgotten about.

As far as the toys, I am glad that I got into collecting the movie line simply because it made me realize 1) how much I love TFs, and 2) what I do and don't like about certain lines. The movie line was what opened the door for me to start collecting again, and now I have a much better understanding of what I want as a person buying these figures. If I hadn't gotten my hands on 07 BB, Barricade, Optimus, and Brawl I don't know if my interest would have been rekindled. It opened me up to find out what I had missed during the years that I paid no attention to TFs and toys in general. Now I know about all these things and get to learn so much interesting stuff about these charaters that I totally missed.....for like 15 years.

So, yes, there will be a lot that I miss about the movieverse and I really don't want to see it go. At the same time, I can't say I am really concerned because there is such a huge pile of information that I am catching up on that I don't think I will have time to worry about whether or not the movieverse is even there.

Yes, this is my situation exactly.

OptiMagnus10 wrote:when you're in the middle of having your fun with whatever's current, you can't help but bring out the old toys you come across or think to yourself: Aww man I still wish I got that guy when he was out! I hope they re-release him.

Works both ways.

My dislike of Animated allowed me to concentrate more on completing my G1 collection.

I have an easy time letting these franchises go. I'm not desperate for a movie franchise I like to go on forever. The reason is that when you conclusively say "this is the end" you have a complete piece out of several movies. What kills it for me more is when a movie series is not allowed to run its course. They don't get to the final chapter, or a regime change changes the final chapter to something that feels disingenuous to its predecessors. Having Michael Bay direct a trilogy means they'll fit together much nicer than what we've seen with something like the X-Men movie franchise. But frankly, Transformers and Revenge of the Fallen have great replay value to me, so I'm not fearing the end. Even though like many of the posters in this thread, the movieverse is what reinvigorated my fandom.

I'll miss the movies for sure. It's been a real treat to go to the cinema to see Transformers, which is something I'm a huge fan of. The last time I went to the cinema, and got real excited to see a movie before Transformers, was to go and see the old TMNT movies when I was a kid.