TDK Akita wrote:I always wondered that myself. I mean if the Autobots have manufacturing capabilites then they should have their own "minions" in a way.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Actually, we must remember that Autobot base is something made mostly using a human technology. However aligned continuity family we have a Autbots mooks, so probably in Prime some Autobots somwhere have their own version of Vehicon. They are simply out of reach from Team Prime. However I would be really pleased if they gain some little army, at least for backup in the future.TDK Akita wrote:I always wondered that myself. I mean if the Autobots have manufacturing capabilites then they should have their own "minions" in a way.
Of course you are right, i used here a wrong term. I think "Mooks" better fits to Vehicons and Insecticons.Archanubis wrote:Also, you could argue until you're blue in the face how "drone-like" the Vehicons and even Insecticons are. There's some (limited) evidence that each Vehicon and Insecticon has their own personality, despite their respective shared design - hell, we even got an Insecticon with a name.
To be honest, I'm think it more the fact that after suckes of "300" simply Transformers creators try to follow this trend. We have a Beast Machines of course, but even in first Bay's we have only few Cons, but each seems to be a skilled warrior (even if they are supposed to lost any fights) and they seems to each at last his own style. In RotF most of cones looks identical and have almost none combat value. The same is in DotM. In Prime Team Prime supposed to be a "team small, but strong" yet I think they are going to far.Archanubis wrote:Besides, it highlights the differences between the Autobots and Decepticons - Autobots value individuality (on some level) while the Cons seem to reserve that for higher ranking members.
TurboMMaster wrote:In Prime Team Prime supposed to be a "team small, but strong" yet I think they are going to far.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
TurboMMaster wrote:Also, in Animated the Decepticons are the heavy ountumbered ones. They are more a Pests than a real threat for Autobots, and they survived that long only thanks to Autobots blindnes. Anything what Megatron does in this series, is searching any way posibble, to gain a real chance to become at least a serious danger for Autobot cause.
The main problem of the series is that Autobots arent outnumbered, they are heavily outnumbered. It's simply too many Cons when we compared them with Autobots. If Autobots have their own mooks, the conflict would be seems to be a little more serious(Team of five or six guys against a entire Warship?)Stormwolf wrote:The creators of the series pointed out that they wanted the autobots to be outnumbered to give the Decepticons a advantage (and not turn them into a joke of a enemy).
TurboMMaster wrote:The main problem of the series is that Autobots arent outnumbered, they are heavily outnumbered. It's simply too many Cons when we compared them with Autobots. If Autobots have their own mooks, the conflict would be seems to be a little more serious(Team of five or six guys against a entire Warship?)Stormwolf wrote:The creators of the series pointed out that they wanted the autobots to be outnumbered to give the Decepticons a advantage (and not turn them into a joke of a enemy).
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Really? I mean, lol, they deafeat Cliffjumper, most of the time they winning with BBB and Arcee and one seems to be challenge for Bulkhead! Later they seems to be less impresive, but still they had their moments of glory. In "Orion Pax" they seems to be strong enough to knock off Optimus. In Armada they was able to really slow down Insections, despite the fact they were outnumbered. In "Human Factor" They were for a long moment they were a effectiwe wall for the Autobots. And if Insecticons were a more challenge: Then why injured and poisoned Bulkhead was able to defeat four of them (including the most powerfull of their kind)? Also in "Darkest Hour" All Insections send to fight with Autobots were killed, and we can only see five flying Vehicons don't survived. Maybe they are'nt as effective as they should be, but still it's more than any other Cons mooks in other Universes.PrymeStriker wrote:Who cares? Only the named guys and Insecticons are actually a challenge. The Vehicons aren't even worth a damn.
TurboMMaster wrote:Later they seems to be less impresive, but still they had their moments of glory. In "Orion Pax" they seems to be strong enough to knock off Optimus.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Orion or Optimus, his physical form was exactly the same - so his power level was exactly the same. Also it is hard to knock down a guy witch is much bigger and heavier than you, even if he is'nt expecting. I don't think that ordinary guy can knock out with his fist a profesional heavy-weight boxer, or any other fighter, for examplke wrestler. even if he use a element of suprise.PrymeStriker wrote:TurboMMaster wrote:
Except it wasn't Optimus, it was Orion Pax. Orion wasn't expecting them to knock him down. Also, Orion shot them both down with ease after he learned he was armed.
TurboMMaster wrote:Orion or Optimus, his physical form was exactly the same - so his power level was exactly the same. Also it is hard to knock down a guy witch is much bigger and heavier than you, even if he is'nt expecting. I don't think that ordinary guy can knock out with his fist a profesional heavy-weight boxer, or any other fighter, for examplke wrestler. even if he use a element of suprise.PrymeStriker wrote:TurboMMaster wrote:
Except it wasn't Optimus, it was Orion Pax. Orion wasn't expecting them to knock him down. Also, Orion shot them both down with ease after he learned he was armed.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
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