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Rial Vestro wrote:In terms of Plot, G1 story telling lasted for all of an episode or 3 then that was it. The series as a whole wasn't really plot driven. Where as A/E/C Every episode was just a continuation of the last episode.
To put it simply you could watch G1 entirely out of order and it'd still make just as much sence. Non of the single episode plots required you to know what happened in the series 10 episodes earlier to understand their current situation. That was basically how 80's cartoons were, the plot of the week and then done with the occasional cliff hanger.
Modern day cartoons are little more complex than that. You actully do have to watch all of A/E/C in order to even try to understand what the hell is going on. I remember when Armada first started, I missed a few episodes somewhere in the series and by the time I got back to it Starscream had joined the Autobots and I was like "what the hell are you doing there?" then I lost my satilight shortly after and it was only after watching on YouTube I realized why he joined the Autobots and that he was really only with them for all of like 3 episodes and then it didn't make sence why he went back to the Decepticons.
Cyberstrike wrote:G1 had it's fair share of what I call "unoffical two-parters" stories that ended with a cliffhanger just not a typical one episodes like: Child's Play/The Gambler, Starcream's Brigade/The Revenge of Bruticus, The Big Broadcast of 2006/The Quintesson Journal there is an even an unoffical 3 parter with Theif in the Night/Starscream's Ghost/Ghost in the Machine. While you could watch an episode like The Gambler without watching Child's Play you still wouldn't understand how Optimus Prime, Perceptor, Inferno, Bumblebee, and Smokescreen end up on a giant toy space ship in the middle of nowhere, without watching Child's Play first, but I do agree that you can watch the episodes of G1 out of order but in some cases you might be coming in the middle of a storyline without having a clue about what is going on.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
T-Macksimus wrote:I am going to enjoy kicking over this hornets nest. If you really want a unique view of why someone would hate the A/E/C trilogy how about the fact that it never should have existed in the first place. Unicron died in the 1986 movie. End of story.
The character of Unicron was epic. The threat he imposed on the entire galaxy was such that it was to be a unifying force and a catalyst for bringing about a new hero, a new champion, a new Leader to step forward and carry on the Legacy of Optimus Prime.
Bringing Unicron back demeaned that victory and pretty much pissed on what was supposed to be a profund event in TF history.
How many "darkest hours" are the Autobots supposed to have? Is the Matrix supposed to kick universal scale ass on a month by month basis? I even had issues back when I was youger with episodes like Starscreams Ghost where they just couldn't leave stuff well enough alone and have a characters demise actually mean something. What's kind of a point are you making by constantly hitting the restart button? Is this a show or a damn video game?
Furthermore, that was Orson Wells final role. Regardless of how he felt about doing it at the time, the fact remains that his name is still held in the highest regard in all of the cinematic community. Out of respect, his final character should NEVER have been used anywhere else by anyone.
Of course, I really wouldn't expect any of you youngsters to understand the concept of respect for history...
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
T-Macksimus wrote:That's the whole problem with it and the whole reason that the entire TF Fandom is one big screwed up mess of storylines, continuities and glitches.
The point I made has been totally missed and that complete and utter lack of respect that I mentioned before or even the slight glimmer of acknowledgment towards the impact of a characters actions is the underlying flaw in the entire "Universal" scope of Transformers. "A different Unicron"? How many freaking astronomically huge, planet-smashing harbringers of death are out there in this galaxy? Can you see what I'm getting at? There should only ever be one. Recycling a character of that magnitude for some other story arc or whatever, just makes his impact worth exactly squat. It doesn't matter what new name you want to put on a series, the thing looks the same, acts pretty much the same and...wait for it...named UNICRON! "Hm, Unicron. Him again? O.k. send out the Throttlebots and some mini-cons to go kick his ass while I throw a few more burgers on the grill. While your at it, write a note for me to send out a squad next month to cut him off 'cause I'm pretty sure he'll be back."
I don't care what universe he came back in, the point is he never should have come back in ANY universe for ANY reason under ANY name or in ANY incarnation. To do so was to cheapen the character and his original impact on the TF Universe entirely.
This isn't a "G1" thing if you think I'm just a G1 whiner. This is a scope and breadth and storytelling impact thing. This is why I think nearly all of the other cartoons are pure crap. Nothing anyone does in any of them means sh** because we are going to see it all done again next month anyway.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
T-Macksimus wrote:First I want to say I hope you didn't get the impression that I was frustrated with you directly.
T-Macksimus wrote: I've been on here long enough to have gained a great deal of respect for your input and I realize that my response probably didn't come across as sounding very respectful towards you. I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach to folks on this site. Just wanted to clear that up.
T-Macksimus wrote:Second, even as I was typing my second response I did actually have the Prime/Megatron thought come across my mind. Those 2 I would consider the exceptions simply because of the roles they play and have played since day one. Their "epicness", as it were, is in a different league. Although I do to some degree feel that Hasbro bringing back Prime also lessened the impact of his death in the '86 movie. While greatly dissapointed I would have been content to accept Rodimus as the new Prime. The spirit of Optimus would still have lived on in him and in all the Autobots. To bring him back for the sake of marketing really tarnishes the honor of a great leader (or the concept of all that he represented at least).
T-Macksimus wrote:Third, I'm not sure how to take that 'enjoyable read' comment. Because it's you I'm approaching it with a reserved manner because I know that, unlike so many others on here, you don't make such comments with an antagonistic spirit or simply to evoke emotional response. Were that comment to come from several others on here I would be ready to jump down someones throat. I'll let you unveil the shroud of mystery behind this one. Meantime, I'm glad you got at least SOME kind of value out of it. Everyone else just wishes I'd go away...
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
T-Macksimus wrote:Take whatever portions of that paragraph, or anything of mine, you deem postable. Although it hasn't been as apparent of late, given all the heated debate since the release of the movie, one of my goals on here is to occasionally come across with something that stops people in their tracks and makes them think. I genuinely care about folks as a whole and try to prod in whatever small way I can towards seeing things from a unique POV. That's why I must confess to a bit of embarassment over my intial reaction earlier but I do now see what you mean about the task of the story writers who are left to restart.
There is much left to opinion and I guess nobody really can gauge "epic" for anyone but themselves. Logic -vs- Emotion. This should have been apparent to me with all the other Movie debates lately but I guess I felt they were two different creatures and never connected the two thoughts.
My greatest hope right now is that, while we still don't see eye to eye on a few things, maybe others will at least learn from this example we've put forth. We acknowledged each others points and differences, clarified what needed to be without incident and are wiser for the experience. I must thank you for what is quite possibly the most civilized debate I have had on these boards since I first joined.![]()
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Cyberstrike wrote:G1 had it's fair share of what I call "unoffical two-parters" stories that ended with a cliffhanger just not a typical one episodes like: Child's Play/The Gambler, Starcream's Brigade/The Revenge of Bruticus, The Big Broadcast of 2006/The Quintesson Journal there is an even an unoffical 3 parter with Theif in the Night/Starscream's Ghost/Ghost in the Machine. While you could watch an episode like The Gambler without watching Child's Play you still wouldn't understand how Optimus Prime, Perceptor, Inferno, Bumblebee, and Smokescreen end up on a giant toy space ship in the middle of nowhere, without watching Child's Play first, but I do agree that you can watch the episodes of G1 out of order but in some cases you might be coming in the middle of a storyline without having a clue about what is going on.
True............but watching "The Gambler" its not apparent that Prime and the others are traveling in a "giant toy space ship".
The episode opens up to see the characters in a "funky" space ship traveling threw space.
And thats not that weird for any sci-fi cartoon much less one based on transforming robots.
There are a few different episodes that opened in a similar way.
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