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Thu May 26, 2011 11:05 pm

Why? If I were bay I would make every autobot and con look like their g1 self. Even though he is adding his own twist to tf character designs at least make them have their own g1 colors. For example starscream. Why acn't he just have g1 colors?

News Credits: 226 · Thu May 26, 2011 11:10 pm

Because this isn't G1.

Because he wanted to do something fresh with the franchise.

Because he wanted to rape the childhoods of numerous fanboys.

Thu May 26, 2011 11:12 pm

Burn wrote:Because this isn't G1.

Because he wanted to do something fresh with the franchise.

Because he wanted to rape the childhoods of numerous fanboys.

Well if this was g1 it, bay would make g1 bots look more bad ass. By the way bay can make fanboys around the world proud

News Credits: 226 · Thu May 26, 2011 11:19 pm

But it's not G1. That was established 4 years ago.

Bay does make fanboys around the world proud. I like what he's done.

Thu May 26, 2011 11:21 pm

Burn wrote:But it's not G1. That was established 4 years ago.

Bay does make fanboys around the world proud. I like what he's done.

I know it's not g1. But if it was g1 would look more bad ass

News Credits: 226 · Thu May 26, 2011 11:23 pm

And you base that one what exactly?

News Credits: 2 · Thu May 26, 2011 11:38 pm

Burn wrote:And you base that one what exactly?

Because a bunch of boxes taped together look way more awesome than a bunch of complex moving mechanical parts.

Man, that is one old line. I haven't used it since '07, the thing was just collecting dust in my attic because we finished having this argument four years ago.

No, this isn't G1. No, G1 doesn't have superior designs. No, I am not going to have this argument again. I still have the battle scars from last time.

Fri May 27, 2011 12:51 am

Don't feed the trolls.

Fri May 27, 2011 3:31 am

lazerwave217 wrote:
Burn wrote:But it's not G1. That was established 4 years ago.

Bay does make fanboys around the world proud. I like what he's done.

I know it's not g1. But if it was g1 would look more bad ass

No it wouldn't. It would be the same as if Sony would start releasing blocky ATARI look-a-like games to the its latest Playstation 3 plataform. I know the G1 designs always bring good memories from our childhoods, but we are not in the 80's anymore. New times require a new aesthetic.

News Credits: 1 · Fri May 27, 2011 6:14 am

lazerwave217 wrote:
Burn wrote:Because this isn't G1.

Because he wanted to do something fresh with the franchise.

Because he wanted to rape the childhoods of numerous fanboys.

Well if this was g1 it, bay would make g1 bots look more bad ass. By the way bay can make fanboys around the world proud

No. Fans would still whine. It's what we do.

News Credits: 129 · Fri May 27, 2011 8:12 am

Shadowman wrote:
Burn wrote:And you base that one what exactly?

Because a bunch of boxes taped together look way more awesome than a bunch of complex moving mechanical parts.

That's only a shade more robust of an argument than the one op made.

News Credits: 5 · Fri May 27, 2011 9:03 am

I wrote a script for a reboot movie I was going to try to give to someone at Hasbro during botcon, but can't make it, I truly believe I hold the key to being the only person who knows how to successfully incorporate the g1 modes, while also incorporating new complex modes.

I actually took a lot of time researching tf lore to write this, unfortunately good writing rarely ever gets to the big screen. My reboot would change the face of the TF world forever.
Can't say more because I obviously want to try and pitch it to Hasbro, Ss or even Lorenzo.

Fri May 27, 2011 9:24 am

I saw the title and had to stop in. I am flabbergasted that there isn't more arguing going on in here. Maybe it;s still too early...

News Credits: 1 · Fri May 27, 2011 9:52 am

RodimalToyota wrote:I wrote a script for a reboot movie I was going to try to give to someone at Hasbro during botcon, but can't make it, I truly believe I hold the key to being the only person who knows how to successfully incorporate the g1 modes, while also incorporating new complex modes.

I actually took a lot of time researching tf lore to write this, unfortunately good writing rarely ever gets to the big screen. My reboot would change the face of the TF world forever.
Can't say more because I obviously want to try and pitch it to Hasbro, Ss or even Lorenzo.

No matter how awesome your work is, people will wine.

News Credits: 7 · Fri May 27, 2011 10:25 am

Like G1 =/= Blocky. Like G1 = having the same iconic look.
For example, Shockwave is like G1. He has the single eye, horns, gun arm, large chest, and purple color of his G1 counterpart. You instantly think "Shockwave" when you look at him.

The vast majority of the bots aren't at all like their G1 selves (not that that's a bad thing, but that's neither here nor there).

News Credits: 5 · Fri May 27, 2011 10:42 am

lazerwave217 wrote:Why? If I were bay I would make every autobot and con look like their g1 self. Even though he is adding his own twist to tf character designs at least make them have their own g1 colors. For example starscream. Why acn't he just have g1 colors?

Because there aren't any blue/silver/red F-22's in the military. Those colors might have worked in the 80's, but not today.

RodimalToyota wrote:I wrote a script for a reboot movie I was going to try to give to someone at Hasbro during botcon, but can't make it, I truly believe I hold the key to being the only person who knows how to successfully incorporate the g1 modes, while also incorporating new complex modes.
I actually took a lot of time researching tf lore to write this, unfortunately good writing rarely ever gets to the big screen. My reboot would change the face of the TF world forever.
Can't say more because I obviously want to try and pitch it to Hasbro, Ss or even Lorenzo.

You, and proabably 1,000 other hopefull's have been saying that since 07'.

Not saying that you didn't write something good, but at the same time i have a feeling hasbro/Paramount get hundreds of scripts from people claiming to hold "The key" that will fit everything together. And even then, what you hold in your mind as being great and the all tell all end of great story writing, does not mean someone else will agree.

Like RHAsaid, no matter how good your work is, someone will find something to whine about. Thats just what a fandom does.

News Credits: 1 · Fri May 27, 2011 10:46 am

RodimalToyota wrote:I wrote a script for a reboot movie I was going to try to give to someone at Hasbro during botcon, but can't make it, I truly believe I hold the key to being the only person who knows how to successfully incorporate the g1 modes, while also incorporating new complex modes.

I actually took a lot of time researching tf lore to write this, unfortunately good writing rarely ever gets to the big screen. My reboot would change the face of the TF world forever.
Can't say more because I obviously want to try and pitch it to Hasbro, Ss or even Lorenzo.

Oh...
Oh dear me.

Does somebody need one of those amazing reality checks?

On topic, the reason that the movies aren't like G1 is because they AREN'T G1. They have a completely different target audience, theme, story and atmosphere. The truth is G1 could not make it in a modern blockbuster, it would just fail. You can't fault the movies for being unique.

News Credits: 5 · Fri May 27, 2011 11:03 am

I don't need a reality check my friend, I'm already in the industry. I've read countless Transformers movie scripts. The difference between a fan, and a marketer, is knowing who the movie is for, and what it's purpose is.

Transformers is a Toy selling franchise, it's for kids, it needs to bring in older fans who remember characters, it also needs to tell a story, and have a meaning.

The Bay verse' has done good on being an Alien invasion to Earth movie for adults. However Looking at ROTF, it's clear these movies were not intended for the same viewing audience the Toy line is intended for. You can think all you want that Hollywood know's what it's doing. It doesn't, that's why indie Film studios are getting bigger, and getting bigger faster. Why studio's like Lion's Gate stay profitable when Paramount and Fox struggle with the Bombs they try and create, staying with the "same ol'"

Micheal Bay is great at visualization on the set. Like George Lucas though, he is extending his hands too much in other parts of production, and it's makes the movie suffer. The Last "GOOD" Michael Bay movie I saw was The Rock. Everything else has been a nauseating story ride from Bad Boys 2, to the island, to now Transformers. Wether you agree or not, after seeing transformers, Revenge of the Fallen, and G.I.Joe Rise Of Cobra, Hasbro seriously needs to think about going a completely different direction. At this point in time, everything they have put on screen has been IMO sub-par.

People Like the 2007 Transformers, because they have too. If you had more releases from different companies and different choices, you wouldn't like it so much. It's the Fan Boy vs. the casual Fan. But it's also the fan wanting more then the typical Hollywood stink-athon " but it made money" blockbusters. Making 1 billion dollars, just means you found 1,000,000 suckers to believe the trailer meant it was gonna be good.

Fri May 27, 2011 11:06 am

You can and you should, but obviously don't because YOU like them.

G1 would fail? - hogwash. Unfortunately we wont get to find out until someone can muster the wherewithall to throw $400 at a totally G1 inspired Reboot, but if and when they do I think you'll find that there would be less squealing about how ugly and cliched it all looked betwen the explosions and other shiny things.

Agree on the reality check though.....wow.

News Credits: 1 · Fri May 27, 2011 11:11 am

RodimalToyota wrote: Wether you agree or not, after seeing transformers, Revenge of the Fallen, and G.I.Joe Rise Of Cobra, Hasbro seriously needs to think about going a completely different direction. At this point in time, everything they have put on screen has been IMO sub-par.

Then let's take a look at the money they made, shall we?

Oops.

Very profitable.

Oh dear.

RodimalToyota wrote:People Like the 2007 Transformers, because they have too. If you had more releases from different companies and different choices, you wouldn't like it so much. It's the Fan Boy vs. the casual Fan. But it's also the fan wanting more then the typical Hollywood stink-athon " but it made money" blockbusters. Making 1 billion dollars, just means you found 1,000,000 suckers to believe the trailer meant it was gonna be good.

I don't want 'more'. Ilike what I got and want what I'm getting. Don't impose your expectations on other people. I'm not going to be unhappy because you want to be.

Fri May 27, 2011 11:39 am

because what works in cartoons, doesnt always make the transfer well into live action, ala the xmen costumes

Because size shifting was, is and always will eb a ridiculous notion (even for a bay movie)

News Credits: 33 · Fri May 27, 2011 11:57 am

Because they would get laughed at and told to piss off because they look like a gang of giant skittles. (i am a G1 fan)

News Credits: 2 · Fri May 27, 2011 12:33 pm

Counterpunch wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Burn wrote:And you base that one what exactly?

Because a bunch of boxes taped together look way more awesome than a bunch of complex moving mechanical parts.

That's only a shade more robust of an argument than the one op made.

I don't want to waste all that energy fighting a battle I thought I finished years ago. So I just went with one of the stock arguments we had lying around.

RodimalToyota wrote:I wrote a script for a reboot movie I was going to try to give to someone at Hasbro during botcon, but can't make it, I truly believe I hold the key to being the only person who knows how to successfully incorporate the g1 modes, while also incorporating new complex modes.

Do you have pictures or something? Just because you're writing doesn't mean you get to pick what the characters will ultimately look like.

RodimalToyota wrote:I actually took a lot of time researching tf lore to write this, unfortunately good writing rarely ever gets to the big screen. My reboot would change the face of the TF world forever.

Yikes, you know, maybe you want to submit it to an impartial third-party before you hand it in to Hasbro. Make sure it's actually as good as you say it is.

RodimalToyota wrote:People Like the 2007 Transformers, because they have too. If you had more releases from different companies and different choices, you wouldn't like it so much.

Er...since 2007 we've had two major Hollywood movies, two animated series, a video game (That, for once, wasn't a tie-in to anything) and more comics than we really need.

News Credits: 37 · Fri May 27, 2011 2:41 pm

Oh, Christ, where to begin?

Because no one wants to see the same used up crap for over 20 years.
Because cars in real life aren't boxes.
Because robot boxes don't look good in live action anyway.
This is not the 80's.
It's a stupid idea.
Because it's happened before.
Because we all know the ending.
Because it would look stupid.
Because it's for close minded, never get over anything, stuck in the past people like yourself.

RodimalToyota wrote:I wrote a script for a reboot movie I was going to try to give to someone at Hasbro during botcon, but can't make it, I truly believe I hold the key to being the only person who knows how to successfully incorporate the g1 modes, while also incorporating new complex modes.

I actually took a lot of time researching tf lore to write this, unfortunately good writing rarely ever gets to the big screen. My reboot would change the face of the TF world forever.
Can't say more because I obviously want to try and pitch it to Hasbro, Ss or even Lorenzo.

And don't give those poor people at Botcon that damn script. They will laugh.
Oh, and processing the same old stuff we got over 20 years ago into a blender won't change sh!t.