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DJrasmo wrote:Beast Wars being "fail" is simply an expression of my own opinion. As 3rd grade dictionary learnin' taught us, an "opinion" is not a "fact", and therefore wether or not BW "fails" cannot be proved or disproved as true/false.
DJrasmo wrote:Congrats on your dictionary nazism
"You mean the importing of G1 to Japan, right?"
Um, not really...considering the whole ideology was originally created IN JAPAN as Microman and Diaclone. The idea of transforming robot toys was popular with kids in Japan, and the show was created afterwards to help provide a small boost to sales.
Upon import to America, however, the toys proved to not be so much of a hit with our slightly-less-fascinated-with-technology kids and the show was used (in typical American media-saturating fashion) to push the toys, including the addition of new characters, new series, and re-dubbing for more interesting dialogue.
And yes, I agree with that last part...importing people like Rodimus and Ironhide as cameos in Animated actually lessed the show a bit for me. I much preferred it the way it was...as a small core of central characters who progress and grow throughout the show. They could have just as easily introduced NEW characters to fill the same purpose...but chose instead to try and re-saturate us with old characters.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:Team Rodimus was introduced in Season 3 so that they could later take over the show for the fourth and final season, Rodimus was supposed to be the "Chosen One" in this and become the hero at the end.
Dead Metal wrote:But those plans died when Hasbro terminated their partnership with CN to focus more on the Hub and TF Prime. A lot of footage was cut from Animated season 3 that was meant to lead into Season 4.
Being such a large Animated fan you should know this.
Dead Metal wrote:Also Animated was also made to sell toys, just here the show was developed at the same time as the toys. The toys only got delayed because Hasbro and toy retailers wanted more of that sweet sweet Movie toys cash.
Dead Metal wrote:It is also weird that you bring Animated up as an example of a show that has nothing in common with the old stuff and is so "fanboi" unfriendly.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Dead Metal wrote:But those plans died when Hasbro terminated their partnership with CN to focus more on the Hub and TF Prime. A lot of footage was cut from Animated season 3 that was meant to lead into Season 4.
Being such a large Animated fan you should know this.
The way I heard it, it was done so as not to deflect attention away from Revenge of the Fallen.
Dead Metal wrote:Also Animated was also made to sell toys, just here the show was developed at the same time as the toys. The toys only got delayed because Hasbro and toy retailers wanted more of that sweet sweet Movie toys cash.
Dead Metal wrote:It is also weird that you bring Animated up as an example of a show that has nothing in common with the old stuff and is so "fanboi" unfriendly.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
LordScourge wrote:I'm sure it was done with Beast Wars and what not but I'm talking about a Transformers series that's about two completely different factions from the Autobots and Decepticons. I'm not suggesting factions descended from the two and inherited the roles of Autobots and Decepticons either I'm refering to another war breaking out generations after the war between Autobots and Decepticons and just to switch things up some of the Protagonists could be descended(or created from) from Megatron (this would be the main character), Starcream, Soundwave etc... as well as Autobots and the main villain and his lackey's could be descended or created from Optimus and other autobots as well as Decepticons.
Also with this idea the Two main characters aren't named after Optimus and Megatron (I think that would be a little awkward given the lineage)
DJrasmo wrote:Yes, Yes, a thousand times YES.
The reason G1-Movie-G2 torch passing didnt work was it wasn't handled the right way. It was like all of a sudden "BAM!" lots of dead old guys..."BAM!" lots of new guys...and a lot of stuff crammed down our throats as viewers (and consumers) made the whole thing feel "forced".
2. Smooth transition from "last-gen" to "next-gen". The movie and G2 failed at this, and Animated did okay...turning Ratchet into a "Kup-esque" character and constantly reminiscing about the Great War was a great bit...but it was totally washed by having ANOTHER Optimus Prime paradoxically present.
3. Re-invent, but dont OVER-reinvent. AkA "The reason Beast Wars failed".
I know...this reverses everything that Transformers has ever been based on since the importing of G1 from Japan..
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Man, sto, you are way late to the party here. I already made a few of the points you did.
Somehow I missed that he keeps referring to Season 3 as G2, though.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Shadowman wrote:Man, sto, you are way late to the party here. I already made a few of the points you did.
Somehow I missed that he keeps referring to Season 3 as G2, though.
yeah, I've been out of commission, learning to walk with my new leg.Its kept me very buzy for the last few months.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Shadowman wrote:Man, sto, you are way late to the party here. I already made a few of the points you did.
Somehow I missed that he keeps referring to Season 3 as G2, though.
yeah, I've been out of commission, learning to walk with my new leg.Its kept me very buzy for the last few months.
I meant more along the lines of, you're kind of beating a dead horse here.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Random wrote:I'm going to take this from where the current comics are headed:
If so many Cybertronians are scattered all over the universe, why are we not aware of their stories? Something had to happen. There has to be some kind of material there.
Make a show based on them and I'd give it a shot.
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